Sky Diver Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) On 4/17/2018 at 8:55 PM, DCOrange said: Wasn't sure where exactly to post it but didn't think it's deserving of its own thread, so here: Expand BillsFan4, those are valid points. To me, he seems like a guy that isn’t ready, physically or mentally, for the NFL. That’s just a gut feeling. I wish him well and I hope he doesn’t get chewed up and spit out, but I see that as a reasonable possibility. It’s undeniable that he has a lot of talent. Edited April 17, 2018 by Sky Diver 1
thunderingsquid Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 Let's freaking get him then! God, 9 days seems like a freaking eternity. 1 1
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 7:26 PM, Nineforty said: I get what you are saying and that seems right about nationality which on its surface would seem to eliminate what I said. What about genetics? Could your heritage be jewish, but not from a religious standpoint but genetics? Expand ....hmmm.... possible putz??............
RochesterRob Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 8:44 PM, billsredneck1 said: the shoulder thing could be a concern although it wouldn't stop me from taking him. the only thing would be, can he want to be here and give his all for this team and city? if that's not possible, it's gonna be a long disgruntled rookie contract.....locker room. if he's rubbing things the wrong way, this team will suffer. Expand Length of contract for the draft capital we are most likely to use is a very large concern to me. No way we can hold anybody such as Rosen here for 10 or 15 years if he has made up his mind to not be here. Unfortunately, I can imagine a number of scenarios that would put him at odds with quite a number of WNY people.
John from Riverside Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 I truly believe that the bills brass thinks Josh Rosen is exactly the type of QB they are looking for....just based on the drafting of Peterman last year. Peterman had a horrible outing....but the fact is he has size.....throws from the pocket...throws with anticipation.....and is actually pretty accurate....just his ball floats.
RochesterRob Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 8:34 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'll take this one on. I think Beane alluded to it either during the senior bowl or the combine. He said something to the effect that, the whole evaluation process is very team specific, and the top QB for us won't necessarily be the top QB for every team. Different teams will weight different factors differently. I think that's spot-on especially where Rosen is concerned. I think he is a challenging, questioning kind of guy and as Trent Dilfer says, you need to bring your coaching A game for him, if you try to serve him "Weak Sauce" you will lose him. He said this favorably, alluding to Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers as being similar in their coaching needs. But there are coaches in the NFL who would NOT take well to this, who would see this as a serious flaw: "do it that way because I say so!" I see Todd Haley and Hue Jackson, for example, as being in that mold of wanting to be the autocrat and not be questioned (maybe I'm wrong, it's just what I think I see). I don't know if Rosen is our top choice, but it makes perfect sense to me that he might be for some teams, but with the same information but different assessment of it, not for others. Indeed, I'm dealing with the remnants of one (auto accident) right now and it lacks amusement. Expand Your next to last sentence agrees with my statement. It does not take half the league to put pressure on the Bills to get this guy if that is their intent. It would only take the better part of a half dozen teams to push the price too high for Buffalo. Also, I am waiting for Beane to say Rosen is his man which I know will not happen in the real world until the Bills go to the podium but I have to disagree with those here that say that they "know" Rosen is our man. Based on what real world evidence? Fact is nobody has a pipeline into the Bills offices to know what they are thinking. Don't confuse desire with Beane's intentions as they may be mutually exclusive to one another.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) ....interestingly, Cosell contradicts Breer's mock draft posted in another thread.....Cosell says "top" whereas Breer says he is available at 9 and Bflo's selection after trading up.....that should clear things up........ Edited April 17, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy
peterpan Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 4:02 PM, kdiggz said: people don't get it. Rosen was the top prospect in cali as a youngster, better than Goff and Darnold and all of those guys. went to St John Bosco prep, one of the best football programs in the country. best QB in the nation coming out of high school. elite 11, all of that. he is the best QB in this draft and the best in at least the past 3 drafts Expand On 4/17/2018 at 4:07 PM, billspro said: He is a much better prospect than Goff imo. I hope we get him. Expand Been saying the same all off season. Rosen is the best QB to come out in 3-4 years minimum. I can't imagine teams passing on him but then again teams make stupid decisions all the time (EJ Manual cough cough) 1
Putin Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 4:02 PM, SouthNYfan said: But... Does Charles Barkley like him? What about Nick saban? Expand I hope Jets REALLY like him and he ends up in New York ? On 4/17/2018 at 9:11 PM, thunderingsquid said: Let's freaking get him then! God, 9 days seems like a freaking eternity. Expand God forbid !!!! Anyone but him ?!!!!
SouthNYfan Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 9:44 PM, Putin said: I hope Jets REALLY like him and he ends up in New York ? God forbid !!!! Anyone but him ?!!!! Expand Why anyone but him?
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2018 Author Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 8:55 PM, DCOrange said: Wasn't sure where exactly to post it but didn't think it's deserving of its own thread, so here: Expand High floor? Sign me up it’s been 20 freaking years.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 10:02 PM, YoloinOhio said: High floor? Sign me up it’s been 20 freaking years. Expand I also heard people who I respect more than this clown say he will be a star by his second year. Who else in this draft can you say that about? Maybe Baker
DCOrange Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 Feels like it’s Hate On Rosen Day for some reason. This Twitter thread popped up on my timeline today:
K-9 Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 10:09 PM, DCOrange said: Feels like it’s Hate On Rosen Day for some reason. This Twitter thread popped up on my timeline today: Expand I can find "some plays" that really stand out that would "concern him" about ANY quarterback that EVER played the game. Every. Single. One. Just an absolutely asinine take. 1
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2018 Author Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) The draft analysts have jumped the shark. I saw one today that compared each QB to a cast member from “the Office” rosen was Jim Halpert. Baker was Schrute. Edited April 17, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 10:14 PM, K-9 said: I can find "some plays" that really stand out that would "concern him" about ANY quarterback that EVER played the game. Every. Single. One. Just an absolutely asinine take. Expand If this keeps up we may have to trade down for Rosen 2
Mango Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 (edited) On 4/17/2018 at 4:56 PM, RochesterRob said: Do they care inside of closed doors of course not. But Terry certainly cares when he has to go outside the Buffalo city limits to be assured of a sellout for the Cap. Also, I would imagine that those towns are very good for selling Bills-marked NFL merchandise which has little market value 120 miles or more away from Orchard Park. Expand Not to go down the rabbit hole here but....you do realize that most of the country mostly agrees with Rosen/dislikes the Donald/voted for the other person on the ballot. We also sell lots of Canadian tickets, a nation that is largely dumbfounded by our election. That argument doesn’t make sense. Edited April 17, 2018 by Mango Spelling and Grammar 3
K-9 Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 10:33 PM, horned dogs said: If this keeps up we may have to trade down for Rosen Expand Disinformation campaigns have hurt players in the past definitely. Marino and Sapp come to mind as two prominent examples. Part of me believes a team wants him to fall so they are in a position to get him. This is where GMs have to stick to their process and trust the research that informs them.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 10:36 PM, K-9 said: Disinformation campaigns have hurt players in the past definitely. Marino and Sapp come to mind as two prominent examples. Part of me believes a team wants him to fall so they are in a position to get him. This is where GMs have to stick to their process and trust the research that informs them. Expand Wonder if that team is in Orchard Park. That Albert Breer Mock looks pretty good!
NoSaint Posted April 17, 2018 Posted April 17, 2018 On 4/17/2018 at 4:02 PM, kdiggz said: people don't get it. Rosen was the top prospect in cali as a youngster, better than Goff and Darnold and all of those guys. went to St John Bosco prep, one of the best football programs in the country. best QB in the nation coming out of high school. elite 11, all of that. he is the best QB in this draft and the best in at least the past 3 drafts Expand Certainly the most polished. Honestly all 4 can succeed if they find the right fit and have some decent luck. the guy that walks into a toxic locker room, gets injured in camp, has his OC fired in September, new head coach and gm next year, etc.... will bust... but generally I think all 4 if put into good spots will stick around at least serviceably. If Rosen doesn’t get any concussions he should be a mid tier guy at worst (think guys like Flacco, dalton, Schaub back in the day) and could be very good.
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