Zerovoltz Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Commonsense said: In other news Les Snead is going to get flamed so hard for jumping at every trade offer and wasting future assets that the Rams will need when paydays come. The Rams need to sell PSL's and season tickets for their new fancy stadium. They need to WIN NOW to generate maximum interest. They do not care about the hole they dig 3 years from now. 2 hours ago, Doc said: Wait, I thought Sammy drew double coverage every play? Full disclosure. I am a Chiefs fan....and I am not completely sure that signing Sammy Watkins for 16 mil per was a good use of funds...but having looked over the film from last season in LA......frankly, McVay did a GREAT job of scheming folks open to help out Goff. The more I watch the film. the worse Goff looked. He either can't or hasn't developed enough (probalby can't) throw a good NFL deep pass. If they use Cooks the same way the tried to use Watson, I don't think Cooks is going to look very good there. Shorter routes are what Goff did well last year executing the offense. 28 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: They are NOT grabbing a QB this year. People forget they dumped a "sure thing" in Garapolo for a 2nd. IF they wanted to retool they would have kept him and still made the trades to surround him with future talent. ......They didn't "Dump" Garrapolo. His contract was about to expire. The patriots were not going to franchise tag him. Their options were to let him go and get a 3rd round compensatory pick. trade him for something better than that, or try and sign him long term...wich he was surely not going to do there as he understood his market. I would agree the Pats could have gotten more than a 2 for him, but they weren't going to keep him unless Brady retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Not quite Bills level bad but.. Difference is QB, Brady made big eyes Caldwell look like a good WR. Edelman is good, as is Mitchell, Hogan is a very good 2 and with Gronk a third or fourth option after the White (or any RB) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Zerovotlz said: They didn't "Dump" Garrapolo. ....... I would agree the Pats could have gotten more than a 2 for him, but they weren't going to keep him unless Brady retired. Umm yeah... So the figurative definition of "dumped. " Getting rid of someone before you have to in order to get something out of it that you could have obtained better if the timing was right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, aceman_16 said: Umm yeah... So the figurative definition of "dumped. " Getting rid of someone before you have to in order to get something out of it that you could have obtained better if the timing was right. ...ok. I see your point here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, aceman_16 said: I forgot about Danny Shelton. However, my original point that was a response to how the Pats* will draft up and grab a premium pick. Context does matter. I will say I again... I can't see anyone in the top 4 even allowing the Pats* to get a sniff at their pick. Finally, Pats* aquiring picks doesn't really concern me... Ole' Billy boy is a masterful coach but a lousy drafter. PS here is the post I was referring to: I will not be happy if the Pats pick ahead of us. If they get to #7 or #4, they could move to #2. So yeah.. It WAS what I was referring to Ahh ok but if they did moved to 7 IMO it isn’t for QB but for Chubb or a stud on D so it wouldn’t effect the Bills either way. Because BB knows a great D can win a championship with an average QB and he can coach up any QB to average when Brady finally retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 51 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Why would the Giants want an oft injured Gronk when they just spent a first rounder on Engram last year? Why would they not want to keep the best WR in the game happy? who knows? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Difference is QB The Pats* have been a juggernaut because of the GOAT and he makes any receiver look phenomenal. The difference for the Pats* superiority is certainly Brady (and toss in Belichick) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, Bakin said: Why would they not want to keep the best WR in the game happy? who knows? Because he is a head case and recently just had a video come out with very suspicious white lines of powder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Difference is QB, Brady made big eyes Caldwell look like a good WR. Edelman is good, as is Mitchell, Hogan is a very good 2 and with Gronk a third or fourth option after the White (or any RB) as well. Well, this is an interesting point. You say they're good, but the difference is the QB. So, lets say the same exact WR corps was with Tyrod or Brissett, would they still be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Ahh ok but if they did moved to 7 IMO it isn’t for QB but for Chubb or a stud on D so it wouldn’t effect the Bills either way. Because BB knows a great D can win a championship with an average QB and he can coach up any QB to average when Brady finally retires. This is exactly what I think will happen OR a stud LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) It's an interesting trade. They need to fix their defense as a whole and their offensive line. I'm not too concerned about them trading up. Edited April 4, 2018 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: Well, this is an interesting point. You say they're good, but the difference is the QB. So, lets say the same exact WR corps was with Tyrod or Brissett, would they still be good? Edelman yes, Mitchell it’s onky be year 2 so I don’t know, Hogan sucked with Taylor and Brisett since he throws a nice deep ball so he be average with him. Of course Gronk be Gronk still, as for the RB again I don’t know and the Pats did go 1-1 with Brisett and god knows if it could have been 2-0 if he had been healthy for the Bills game. Edited April 4, 2018 by PatsFanNH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, PatsFanNH said: Edelman yes, Mitchell it’s onky be year 2 so I don’t know, Hogan sucked with Taylor and Brisett since he throws a nice deep ball so he be average with him. Of course Gronk be Gronk still, as for the RB again I don’t know. Okay, I will admit my main focus was Hogan when asking this. His numbers weren't all that different when he was acquired by you guys. I mean his yards/YPR did go up in 2016, but his Touchdowns, Receptions, and Targets basically remained the same even with the GOAT throwing him the ball. His numbers scream solid 3/4 option at WR. Not a number 2. I like Hogan besides him being a Pat. Games Receiving Rushing Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 72 27 254 159 2078 13.1 15 79 2.2 28.9 7 30 0 13 4.3 0.4 0.1 2108 15 3 20 4 yrs BUF 48 6 137 87 959 11.0 6 46 1.8 20.0 1 4 0 4 4.0 0.1 0.0 963 6 2 8 2 yrs NWE 24 21 117 72 1119 15.5 9 79 3.0 46.6 6 26 0 13 4.3 1.1 0.3 1145 9 1 12 2012 24 BUF 81 0 0 0 0 0.0% 0 0 0 0 2013 25 BUF 15 16 0 17 10 83 8.3 0 16 0.6 5.2 58.8% 83 0 0 1 2014 26 BUF wr 15 16 2 61 41 426 10.4 4 31 2.6 26.6 67.2% 426 4 2 3 2015 27 BUF wr 15 16 4 59 36 450 12.5 2 46 2.3 28.1 61.0% 1 4 0 4 4.0 0.3 0.1 454 2 0 4 2016 28 NWE WR 15 15 14 58 38 680 17.9 4 79 2.5 45.3 65.5% 3 9 0 6 3.0 0.6 0.2 689 4 1 7 2017 29 NWE wr 15 9 7 59 34 439 12.9 5 47 3.8 48.8 57.6% 3 17 0 13 5.7 1.9 0.3 456 5 0 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Zac said: Patriots moving up for a QB? I said this months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 It better be Donald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: It better be Donald. Has to be Donald; he trains against a man literally trying to stab him with knives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, Captain Murica said: Has to be Donald; he trains against a man literally trying to stab him with knives. Yeah. I saw that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam727 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 There is NO WAY the Pats are trading what it would take to get into the top 5-7. 2 1sts this year, a 1st next year plus how much more to draft a QB behind Brady when they could use those picks on more talent for the roster and make another run at a Superbowl? No chance. IF the Pats want a QB, the only way this has even the slightest chance of impacting the Bills is if the Bills were hoping to get their QB at #22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I agree that BB wants him some Rudolph. If we don't move up, or it we don't get Mayfield at 12, then he'll jump in front of us to get him some Rudolph. BB doesn't want Mayfield, he wants him some Rudolph. IF we get our QB, BB will get him some Rudolph. He will be smirking in private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I think they really like one of the TE's in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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