Prediction Rudolph will go before Rosen if the Bills are selecting a QB at 12

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

If one of the big 4 slides to 12, they would be foolish not to take them imo, but then again, I don't have the research they do, so I am not as cognizant of off-field issues that may play into their thinking.

 

It's okay thurmanator thinks they won't take him bc he's a "social justice warrior millennial"

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Well not really but you can keep running with that. 

I don’t like my QB’s being Social Justice Warriors 

and dividing the locker room. So to me he does not fit into the process. It’s my opinion I know you don’t agree with it and that’s ok.   

 

Another lie.

[17 Josh Allen]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Why do you think the Bills don't want Rosen.

 

We know why YOU don't want Rosen.  Why don't the Bills?

Because he divides the locker room, he is not a good fit because of his Social Justice Warrior 

mentality. It’s my opinion I have no problem with you not agreeing, so will see what happens. 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[DC Tom]

Just now, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Because he divides the locker room, he is not a good fit because of his Social Justice Warrior 

mentality. It’s my opinion I have no problem with you not agreeing, so will see what happens. 

 

It's not that I agree or disagree.  It's that you're projecting your value judgement on the Bills, which is complete bull ****.

 

You say you don't like him, fine.  You say the Bills won't take him because you don't like him, you're a total fool.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

It's okay thurmanator thinks they won't take him bc he's a "social justice warrior millennial"

I know.  In another thread, I indicated that I thought durability concerns were genuine.  The rest is overblown to the point of hyperbole.  Bringing up Kaepernick is not relevant, imo.  If Kaepernick was a top 5 qb in the league, he would be employed.

[maryland-bills-fan]

On 4/3/2018 at 8:54 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Seriously? You don't understand how a horrible defense puts a ton more pressure on the offense by giving it consistently worse field position and forcing them to have to score more to win? Seriously? I don't quite know what to say to that. Lemme try this ... Having a great defense makes life much easier for an offense. Having a terrible defense makes things a ton more difficult. A ton more difficult. 

 

Oklahoma had a bad defense. Yeah. Oklahoma allowed 394.9 yards per game. That's bad. But UCLA allowed almost 100 yard per game more, 483.7.

 

And yeah, Oklahoma allowed 389 points. That's bad. But UCLA allowed almost 100 more points, 476. Oklahoma's defense was a bit above average, well behind the really good defenses, but not awful. UCLA's was absolutely awful.

 

Yes, Lamar is a very good QB. But you're flat out WRONG if you think that he's responsible for their wins and losses. He had a share of it. So did the rest of the guys on the field. Yeah, good QBs lift a team. So does a good RB, a good LT, anyone good lifts the level of the team and the guys around him. QBs more so because of the importance of their position. But it's a simple, obvious, self-evident truth that it's teams that win. Not one player. Not in football.

 

Archie Manning was a terrific QB. He absolutely lifted the level of the players around him. But they sucked so bad that there was no way to lift them enough. Put Joe Montana on that Saints team and they still lose most of their games. It's a team game. Philip Rivers lifts the level of the players around him a ton. But he simply hasn't had good enough players around him to make any serious dent in the playoffs. It's a team game.

 

And you can't say Rosen didn't lift his teammates. You can't say that unless you're in the huddle, unless you're one of the coaches calling the plays and watching practices. Most of the way that QBs lift teams is simply by playing extremely well. Which Rosen did and that game where they had the huge comeback is an example. Deny that he wasn't lifting his teammates in that game and you're only showing you're seeing what you want to see. Here's another possible indication that he lifted his teammates:

 

UCLA played 13 games. With Rosen they played eleven games against Texas A&M, Hawaii, Memphis, Stanford, Colorado, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Arizona State, USC and Cal. They averaged in those games 35.0 points per game.

 

Without Rosen they played two games and scored 17 points both times. Against the mighty defenses of Utah and Kansas State. Care to guess what their two lowest-scoring games of the year were?

 

And Rosen didn't lift that team? Come on, man.

 

 

 

As for Mayfield, I'd rather have him as Secretary of War. I like Mayfield. Wouldn't mind him here either.

You can argue this both ways.    If the opponent is ahead by 4 touchdowns, they tend to soften up their defense. Rest starters who are banged up a little and get some playing time for underclassmen.   Don't get beat long and quick.  If you want to do a dip and dink, 90 yard drive for a TD that takes 5 minutes, well that is not the end of the world.  And if it has to be a 15 play drive, sooner or later we are going to get a stop after we took 4 minutes off the clock.   But the QB on the losing team can build up some stats.

 

 

[17 Josh Allen]

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Another lie.

how can I lie about my own beliefs. I respect your opinion. You like Rosen you think he’s the best. 

so I say to you great good luck with that. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Thurmanator 12074 said:

how can I lie about my own beliefs. I respect your opinion. You like Rosen you think he’s the best. 

so I say to you great good luck with that. 

 

You lie because you say you're not political but I have seen several political rants by you....including this thread.

You've created several anti-Rosen threads and posts and you say you don't.

You're an absolute liar.

[SouthNYfan]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I know.  In another thread, I indicated that I thought durability concerns were genuine.  The rest is overblown to the point of hyperbole.  Bringing up Kaepernick is not relevant, imo.  If Kaepernick was a top 5 qb in the league, he would be employed.

 

After 100%

The durability would be the only reason they don't move up.

That's the only reason he isn't a #1 lock.

 

If kaep was Aaron Rodgers he would be employed.

[17 Josh Allen]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

It's not that I agree or disagree.  It's that you're projecting your value judgement on the Bills, which is complete bull ****.

 

You say you don't like him, fine.  You say the Bills won't take him because you don't like him, you're a total fool.

well it’s how I felt and how the bills talk about the process. Having Rosen on the team will break the process. He does not fit into it. Yes he’s got talent 

But if truth be told I think the Bills Covet Darnold and Allen over him. So I have a right to say what I think the process is to me and how the Bills project that in the media. I respect you don’t feel that way about the process and that Rosen fits into it for you. So good for you I have no problem with your opinion 

[TheFunPolice]

On the subject of Rudolph, I really enjoyed his episode with (Mariucci?) on NFL Network where he broke down plays and recited them. He seemed intelligent, while also having a sense of humor.

[maryland-bills-fan]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

For what it's worth, I have a hunch that you're right about the culture stuff at One Bills Drive right now. Where I differ from you is in my belief that Darnold is a better prospect than either Rosen or Mayfield (and I like both of them). I think he's head and shoulders above the other qb prospects. I also think he goes #1 overall. 

   Where is Watikins and Darby playing right now?

[dave mcbride]

6 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

You can argue this both ways.    If the opponent is ahead by 4 touchdowns, they tend to soften up their defense. Rest starters who are banged up a little and get some playing time for underclassmen.   Don't get beat long and quick.  If you want to do a dip and dink, 90 yard drive for a TD that takes 5 minutes, well that is not the end of the world.  And if it has to be a 15 play drive, sooner or later we are going to get a stop after we took 4 minutes off the clock.   But the QB on the losing team can build up some stats.

 

 

Um ... UCLA had the 113th ranked defense last season. They were TERRIBLE. I say this as a fan. 

1 minute ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

   Where is Watikins and Darby playing right now?

Not sure of your point. Mind clarifying?

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Not sure of your point. Mind clarifying?

I surmise he is inferring Watkins and Darby were traded because they didn't fit in with the Process culture and that Rosen would not either.  Speculation based on not much.

[maryland-bills-fan]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

I surmise he is inferring Watkins and Darby were traded because they didn't fit in with the Process culture and that Rosen would not either.  Speculation based on not much.

Okay,   exactly why do you think they traded each of those players? 

[17 Josh Allen]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You lie because you say you're not political but I have seen several political rants by you....including this thread.

You've created several anti-Rosen threads and posts and you say you don't.

You're an absolute liar.

I try to not make it political but you guys will not let it go. You want it to be about politics. I would not want Rosen if he wore a F-Hillary hat. I think what Rosen is doing in the media is dividing the locker with his politics and social justice stances. Why should players that feel different about his causes get behind him to play for him or fans for that matter. No I want a QB like Allen and Rudolph that does not divide people. We don’t need drama as the face of our franchise. We need a leader that is also good at bringing people together and not dividing people based on politics. So I would really like to just draft a guy who does not have this baggage. You feel differently and I respect that. Glad you like him. He has talent and might do well I just like the other QB’s that have talent and don’t do the stuff he does.    

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

I try to not make it political but you guys will not let it go. You want it to be about politics. I would not want Rosen if he wore a F-Hillary hat. I think what Rosen is doing in the media is dividing the locker with his politics and social justice stances. Why should players that feel different about his causes get behind him to play for him or fans for that matter. No I want a QB like Allen and Rudolph that does not divide people. We don’t need drama as the face of our franchise. We need a leader that is also good at bringing people together and not dividing people based on politics. So I would really like to just draft a guy who does not have this baggage. You feel differently and I respect that. Glad you like him. He has talent and might do well I just like the other QB’s that have talent and don’t do the stuff he does.    

 

You mean like this?

Edited April 16, 2018 by Royale with Cheese

[Dr. Who]

Just now, maryland-bills-fan said:

Okay,   exactly why do you think they traded each of those players? 

Darby did not fit the system.  I don't think he was a locker room problem.  Watkins may have been a problem, but I think they surmised they would not be willing to pay the requisite price to resign him to a new contract and the 2nd round pick was valuable as draft capital to trade up for the potential franchise qb you don't want to trade up for.  Regardless, none of that bears on whether or not they have determined Rosen to be a fit or not.

[17 Josh Allen]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You mean like this?

Yes after 100 posts saying crap at me Im calling him out for wishing that I was suspended. I call it like I see it. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, Thurmanator 12074 said:

Yes after 100 posts saying crap at me Im calling him out for wishing that I was suspended. I call it like I see it. 

 

So you are political.

[MrEpsYtown]

It's funny that Rosen might "divide a locker room." I don't think there are many Trump supporters in that room. 

[maryland-bills-fan]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So you are political.

Guys.    Just walk away from it.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

It's funny that Rosen might "divide a locker room." I don't think there are many Trump supporters in that room. 

 

He didn't divide UCLA's locker room.  Multiple teammates backed him up and had great things to say....Thurman ignores those quotes 100% of the time.

 

[MrEpsYtown]

14 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

On the subject of Rudolph, I really enjoyed his episode with (Mariucci?) on NFL Network where he broke down plays and recited them. He seemed intelligent, while also having a sense of humor.

 

I really do wish he was better at football. All the other stuff is on point. 

[maryland-bills-fan]

Ouch    T

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sports/20180414/patriots-take-quarterback-mason-rudolph-first-in-mock-draft

 

Quote

The lack of early-round picks has left the Patriots with a lack of young cornerstone pieces. Now they are in position to add quality players. Here’s a look at what the Patriots could do in the draft:

First round, pick 23: Mason Rudolph, quarterback, Oklahoma State

With Tom Brady turning 41, the Patriots need to address their quarterback situation. Rudolph has good size (6-foot-5) and was productive at Oklahoma State, throwing for 4,904 yards and 37 touchdowns last season. The Patriots put Rudolph through a private workout.

First round, pick 31: Rashaan Evans, linebacker, Alabama

The Patriots need help in their front seven and the 6-3, 234-pound Evans seems like a good fit. He could help at inside and outside linebacker. He had 150 tackles and 15 sacks at Alabama in his career. He had an official visit with the Patriots, talked to the team at the combine and Bill Belichick was at his Pro Day.

 

[SouthNYfan]

17 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

   Where is Watikins and Darby playing right now?

 

Watkins, while great when healthy, was shaking hurt, had a big payday coming, and hadn't committed to wanting to be in Buffalo for good.

Darby's play had fallen off significant after his first year.

They saw an opportunity to get draft capital in this year's draft.

 

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Okay,   exactly why do you think they traded each of those players? 

I'd say Darby was a scheme fit issue. Watkins? Easy, look at the cost. Sure, they could have locked him in for 2018 with a 5th year option for upwards of $14 million . ( I would have liked that move ) Still no answer at QB on the roster. So they're not interested in paying huge WR $ before fixing QB. They recouped something of value for Watkins ( not enough imo) and can hopefully parlay that into a move up. The Benjamin deal made sense as he was cheaper and they were in the midst of a playoff push. 

[17 Josh Allen]

14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So you are political.

no not really,  but most of you guys are that you ever talk about is politics.  Then you wonder why we are a divided  nation. I prefer not to talk about politics. How about you ? Don’t you prefer not to talk about it. 

Edited April 16, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

I'd say Darby was a scheme fit issue. Watkins? Easy, look at the cost. Sure, they could have locked him in for 2018 with a 5th year option for upwards of $14 million . ( I would have liked that move ) Still no answer at QB on the roster. So they're not interested in paying huge WR $ before fixing QB. They recouped something of value for Watkins ( not enough imo) and can hopefully parlay that into a move up. The Benjamin deal made sense as he was cheaper and they were in the midst of a playoff push. 

 

I feel like Darby has some on the low off field stuff as well with all the stuff with Jamies and such. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Thurmanator 12074 said:

no not really but most of you guys are that all you ever talk about. Then you wonder why we are a decided nation. I prefer not to talk about politics. 

How about you ? Don’t you prefer not to talk about it. 

 

I can't deal with your delusion anymore.  So I'm out.

[17 Josh Allen]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I can't deal with your delusion anymore.  So I'm out.

great now we can talk football instead of politics 

 

 

[maryland-bills-fan]

Does anyone know how these spider charts have worked out in past years?

 

[PastaJoe]

“Dividing the locker room” is overblown. We have co-workers we disagree with on many different issues, but when it comes to work you put it aside and work towards mutual success. A blocker isn’t going to think they’re going to let Rosen get sacked because of a social difference of opinion, they’re in the moment thinking about their job, which is protecting the QB. And if they don’t do it they’ll get replaced.

[BillsFan4]

On 4/1/2018 at 5:47 PM, Thurmanator 12074 said:

26cornerblitz I really don’t think so, the more I look at Rudolph the more I like about him. He has everything, Size, weight, good arm, almost 70 percent completion percentage. He was a 4 year starter,  he’s mobile, he moves around in the pocket well. He is a very good leader and fits into Beans QB mold. I think you should get used to the idea of the Bills drafting him. I’m sold on the guy. I was very hard on Rosen in other draft threads. I’ve come around on him too. I would be happy with him too. I just don’t think we will get him. This draft comes down to what the NYG do at 2. If they draft Barkley or Chubb then game on. If Barkley goes #2 to the New York Giants then I could see the bills trading with Cleveland at number four. I could also see Denver taking a QB but if they pass on a QB then there woukd be only 2 QB’s drafted so far. So either way only 2 or 3 QB’s would be off the board. So that means bills could trade into 6-10 and get a Mayfield or Rosen or Allen. But I really think Rudolph has really been short changed here. He is so good and has the complete package. I for one am so excited that we at least moved to 12. So at the very minimum we could at least get Rudolph. So lots to be excited about. There is just something that tells me Rudolph is the guy I think that is going to do really well. I also feel that way about Allen. Man I can’t wait to see how this all plays out. 

 

Wait, what? 

 

You sure have a funny way of showing it. 

Edited April 16, 2018 by BillsFan4

[MrEpsYtown]

21 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

“Dividing the locker room” is overblown. We have co-workers we disagree with on many different issues, but when it comes to work you put it aside and work towards mutual success. A blocker isn’t going to think they’re going to let Rosen get sacked because of a social difference of opinion, they’re in the moment thinking about their job, which is protecting the QB. And if they don’t do it they’ll get replaced.

 

Jordan Mills might let him get sacked, but it won't be on purpose. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

 

 

 2 QB's that I think are sure to be good are Darnold and Mayfield.                             2 QB's that I feel will probably bust are Allen and Jackson.

1 or 2 of the QB's drafted outside the 1st rd will have a Andy Dalton type career.

 

Rosen is the only QB that I cannot get a read on, I get the feeling he will be a solid QB but injured a lot through the year.

 

[SouthNYfan]

8 hours ago, maryland-bills-fan said:

Does anyone know how these spider charts have worked out in past years?

 

 

No, but if you squint his chart looks kinda like NY!

**Foreshadowing**

 

(Do you have charts for other guys??)

[BillsFan17]

8 hours ago, PastaJoe said:

“Dividing the locker room” is overblown. We have co-workers we disagree with on many different issues, but when it comes to work you put it aside and work towards mutual success. A blocker isn’t going to think they’re going to let Rosen get sacked because of a social difference of opinion, they’re in the moment thinking about their job, which is protecting the QB. And if they don’t do it they’ll get replaced.

No more divided than a locker room with 50 plus personalities and their own views on kneeling during the anthem?

 

Moreover, its absolutely absurd to believe NFL players don't have hobbies, interests,families, friends, etc... outside of the sport.

[17 Josh Allen]

 

Any question Rosen fan boys. Listen to this divided locker of course it matters 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2018 by Thurmanator 12074

[Fadingpain]

On March 26, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Thurmanator 12074 said:

If The Bills are staying at 12 and there choice is between Rudolph or Rosen, I predict the Bills will select Rudolph. I’m praying the Jets take Rosen. Rosen does not fit the Bills or this towns culture, nor does he seem to fit the Process that Coach McD has instituted on this team. I also think that Rosen will be the biggest bust at QB in this draft. I have him rated outside the top 8 and in my opinion he will be that QB that drops in this draft. The TV networks will keep showing him in the green room with all the game day pundits on TV savaging him and us TV viewers with stories of why he’s dropping. To me he has the most red flags and problems. Also I will have to question weather I want to support him as a Bills QB if he were to get drafted by the Bills. My opinion is the Bills are targeting Josh Allen and Mason Rudolph. If they trade up to the 6th pick with the colts I can see them getting Josh Allen. This would have to be done on draft day after the Broncos pick. So the way I see this playing out is Darnold to the Browns, Chubb to NYG, Baker Mayfield to the Jets then Barkley to the Browns. Then you have Den, who knows what will happen there. Then at 6 if we trade up with the Colts we get to select the number 1 QB on the Bills draft board Josh Allen. The other way this works out is the Bills trade up to 4. Then trade 4 to the NYG to get to the 2nd pick and take Josh Allen at #2. In my opinion Allen is the target for Bean with Rudolph as his fall back position for QB at 12. As far as Rosen this guy is going to be the biggest bust of the draft QB class. The more I listen to him talk and see what his team mates had to say about him the less I like him. He is skinny and injury prone. If anyone has watched the Movie Draft day 

Rosen is this drafts Bo Callahan or a real life Johnny Manziel. 

Kind of bored.