stinky finger Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I've stated my piece. Allen's college production historically wouldn't warrant top 10 consideration. Those like him who have been drafted in the top half of the 1st round have failed consistently. You need to go back 39 years to Phil Simms to find a guy in this project QB underwhelming college production mold who went on to be a Franchise QB. I'm over that argument. I think Allen very well could be a very unique case. And I'm certainly hoping he is Glad you came around. You came off half-cocked and grossly uninformed previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Marino and Farve both had under 60% completion. In 2016 Allen passed for well over 3,000 yards and had a higher passer rating than Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 9 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Glad you came around. You came off half-cocked and grossly uninformed previously. Kinda have to come around... I'm a Bills fan. He's my QB now. I like the kid. He's humble, yet confident and has a chip on his shoulder that he wears positively, unlike Rosen. He's a physical monster in terms of stature and skill set. What has me coming around on him the most is his football acumen. For all these reasons, I'm hoping he will and thinking he can break a trend that's been real for the last 39 years. That trend is the primary reason I didn't want to draft him. That trend exists, and it's not something I was grossly uninformed about. But looking into the kid, I think he can break it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Seems like because of the common coaching people think Wentz and Allen some how had comparable college careers. Wentz stats: Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Dakota State 392 612 64.1 5115 8.4 8.8 45 14 153.9 2012 North Dakota State MVC FR QB 8 12 16 75.0 144 9.0 11.5 2 0 191.9 2013 North Dakota State MVC SO QB 11 22 30 73.3 209 7.0 7.6 1 0 142.9 2014 North Dakota State MVC JR QB 16 228 358 63.7 3111 8.7 8.8 25 10 154.1 2015 North Dakota State MVC SR QB 7 130 208 62.5 1651 7.9 8.7 17 4 152.3 Allen Stats: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Rather than summoning everyone else to run around and convince you, I'd suggest you actually watch him a couple of his games. There is zero doubt in my mind that 70% of the people on this board whining about drafting Allen have watched more than a single highlight or lowlight package of his throws.The truth of the matter is there are maybe 8-10 guys on this board who actually watch tape, the rest of the board just cherry pick their favorite draft analysts and parrot those opinions as if they are things they came up with on their own. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 I cannot convince you because I can't convince myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 36 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Seems like because of the common coaching people think Wentz and Allen some how had comparable college careers. Wentz stats: Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Dakota State 392 612 64.1 5115 8.4 8.8 45 14 153.9 2012 North Dakota State MVC FR QB 8 12 16 75.0 144 9.0 11.5 2 0 191.9 2013 North Dakota State MVC SO QB 11 22 30 73.3 209 7.0 7.6 1 0 142.9 2014 North Dakota State MVC JR QB 16 228 358 63.7 3111 8.7 8.8 25 10 154.1 2015 North Dakota State MVC SR QB 7 130 208 62.5 1651 7.9 8.7 17 4 152.3 Allen Stats: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 Those are actually pretty similar. Especially yards, YPA, and TDs. The only difference is completion percentage. You have to remember though Wentz had a much easier job playing for a dominant div 2 program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, billspro said: Those are actually pretty similar. Especially yards, YPA, and TDs. The only difference is completion percentage. You have to remember though Wentz had a much easier job playing for a dominant div 2 program. YPA (not calculated) is vastly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 1 minute ago, PlayoffsPlease said: YPA (not calculated) is vastly different. I usually just look at the YPA from their best year, which was 2016 for Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 57 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Seems like because of the common coaching people think Wentz and Allen some how had comparable college careers. Wentz stats: Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career North Dakota State 392 612 64.1 5115 8.4 8.8 45 14 153.9 2012 North Dakota State MVC FR QB 8 12 16 75.0 144 9.0 11.5 2 0 191.9 2013 North Dakota State MVC SO QB 11 22 30 73.3 209 7.0 7.6 1 0 142.9 2014 North Dakota State MVC JR QB 16 228 358 63.7 3111 8.7 8.8 25 10 154.1 2015 North Dakota State MVC SR QB 7 130 208 62.5 1651 7.9 8.7 17 4 152.3 Allen Stats: Passing Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate Career Wyoming 365 649 56.2 5066 7.8 7.7 44 21 137.7 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 51 8.5 8.5 0 0 138.1 *2016 Wyoming MWC SO QB 14 209 373 56.0 3203 8.6 8.3 28 15 144.9 *2017 Wyoming MWC JR QB 11 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 In 15 less games Allen has 49 less yards 1 less Td. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Because he is of Swedish descent. His great grandfather came over in 1907. Rasmus Dahlin is going to get the Sabres going. That's exactly why Allen is not going to suck in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Work ethic and determination coupled with his physical gifts and football gifts he was blessed with He makes throws that few, if any person alive can make 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 He's gonna prove all you naysayers wrong, just wait. There, does that convince you? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChasBB Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 On 3/22/2018 at 5:40 AM, JoeF said: His college coach tries to here: http://blog.siriusxm.com/josh-allens-college-coach-he-does-need-to-improve-his-accuracy/ The big take-away from his coach's viewpoint, for me, was that because of his big arm, defenses will have to cover virtually the entire field. That being the case, that will really lend itself to a successful running game, too, with defenses having to respect the deep ball and the safety not being able to cheat much against the run. Having to cover so much of the field will wear defenses down over time. If and when Allen takes over the starting role, this factor could make for some big 4th quarter scoring for Buffalo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 1 hour ago, billspro said: Those are actually pretty similar. Especially yards, YPA, and TDs. The only difference is completion percentage. You have to remember though Wentz had a much easier job playing for a dominant div 2 program. Whats interesting is this year 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 66.7% completion percentage. If a player is inaccurate they normally remain that way. Not the case here. What happened in 2015 that was different? Coaching? Players? Different scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 47 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: He's gonna prove all you naysayers wrong, just wait. There, does that convince you? About as in depth as most TSW analysis gets. Thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 42 minutes ago, dlonce said: Whats interesting is this year 2015 Wyoming MWC SO QB 2 4 6 66.7 66.7% completion percentage. If a player is inaccurate they normally remain that way. Not the case here. What happened in 2015 that was different? Coaching? Players? Different scheme? Lol 6 attempts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 36 minutes ago, billspro said: Lol 6 attempts Lol is right. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Nothing better than the 'convince me of something I refuse to be convinced of' threads! Try watching the Bills for the next 3 years and then ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 No one knows what Allen's ceiling is going to be, but imagine if we had drafted our QB in the 3rd or 4th round. People would be asking why we didn't draft Allen when we had the chance. Also, everyone seems to forget he's only a junior. Edmunds is 19. We may have to wait a bit to see how good both of them are. Patience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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