Rumor: Trade up discussion with Giants

[Zerovoltz]

My 2 cents.  

 

1. Cleveland will take a QB.  

 

2.  NY will  take a QB.  They will do their due dilligence and field calls, but really they will stay where they are.  The reality is, the 2019 Draft Class is going to be one of those years where ZERO QB's are drafted in round 1.  It's that bad.  The QB's coming out next year SUCK.  The crop of potential QB free agents next year...SUCKS...compared to the bounty available this crazy offseason.  Eli SUCKS....at this point.  He wants to retire a Giant.  I can see him accepting his mortality a bit better if he gets to finish as the mentor to his chosen successor (and not benched for Geno Smith)  The Giants have considered all this.  The most value they can muster from the 2nd overall pick....is to use it themselves.  ROSEN.  

 

3.  The Jets will take a QB.  Consider the situation in New York...they have a GM and a HC who are on short leashes.  They DO NOT HAVE TIME to wait for Darnold or even worse, Josh Allen to develop.   They moved up here to insure themselves Baker Mayfield.  He will be ready to go day 1.  He has had a billion college reps, he got better each year, he has a high completion pct.  He is a big name.  He has a Heisman.  He is a charachter.  He has JETS written all over him.  ...and again...can't stress enough, he is ready to go day 1.  The staff needs results sooner rather than later.

 

4.  Cleveland will take someone here not named Saquan Barkley.  .....That front office just signed Carlos Hyde to good money, he is a Buckeye, and they have Duke Johnson, who has been one of their better players as the 3rd down guy on the roster.  The same front office has a long history of not valuing RB high in the draft...and this one is full of RB....they can get a good one later, if they even think they need another one.

 

5.  Denver.  No reason to be scared of these guys taking a QB....and not just becasue they signed Keenum....but consider they did sign him..to starter money.  The coaching staff has been told publicly they have THIS YEAR to produce results.  The Broncos still have a first round QB on the roster that Elway seems to have wiffed on, but he was supposed to be a 2-3 year project coming out.  They re-upped their two WR.  They are in win now mode with a coaching staff in win now mode...they simply aren't set up to draft their next QB...this staff isn't going to be around for that....they either win with Keenum or they are done and Denver will then go into rebuild mode.  They will take the Guard from ND.  Day one pro bowl starter at a position they need desperately.

 

6.  Colts.  ...Buffalo could have offered them more than the Jets and I bet they did offer more....but as has been mentioned...Colts understand how this is playing out and at worst they will end up with the 3rd Best NON QB picking here.  They will stay put.

 

7 bucs....another great NON QB player they like here.  Barkley is my guess.

 

8. Bears.  Spent heavily on offense in FA...take Davenport.

 

9.  49ers.  This is where the action will be on draft night for Arizona, and Buffalo if they want something still on the QB board.  I am guessing Josh Allen, Jackson and Mason Rudolph are what is left.  Here is where the Bills move because Arizona will be trying to get up here too...and the Bills get Josh Allen.

 

Miami is not a threat to move up.  They quietly restructured Tannehill a couple weeks ago...and parting ways with him will be cap hell the next 2 seasons.  They also resigned David Fales...

 

Watch out for San Diego and Pittsburg moving up to that 9 spot for Allen...and if they don't get that...both are major candidates to move around trying to get Rudolph.

 

I do not think Jackson will go round 1.  

 

1. Darnold

2. Rosen

3 Mayfield

9. Allen (to Buffalo)  Trade with 49ers

14.  Rudolph (to San Diego) Trade with Packers.

[What a Tuel]

Why would we trade 12 to move up to 9 and draft a QB? 49ers, Raiders, and Dolphins (according to you) aren't threats. I guess someone else could trade up, but I don't like that move at all. Giving up picks to defend 12 rather than truly moving up. Yuck.

Edited March 21, 2018 by What a Tuel

[Nihilarian]

3 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

His name is in small print at the bottom of every single draft profile page.

 

Its his grade. I’m sorry but you’re wrong.

 

And if you look you can see the draft “grades” have changed throughout there inception. Andrew Luck was a 97.0 for example. That just means someone else was doing it.

I stand corrected. I hadn't noticed that name at the bottom of each and every player scouting report and it looks like he does them all. 

55 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

Why would we trade 12 to move up to 9 and draft a QB? 49ers, Raiders, and Dolphins (according to you) aren't threats. I guess someone else could trade up, but I don't like that move at all. Giving up picks to defend 12 rather than truly moving up. Yuck.

Miami has stated that all options are on the table and they will look at a QB with their first pick. The thing is that Arizona is still looking for a QB and I highly doubt they will be thinking Bradford, Glennen long term. I can see them in the mix to move up if one of the top four/five are there. 

[Chuck Wagon]

5 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I also fail to believe that Beane who supposedly gauging trade interest in the draft would fail to realize that 1 and 2 were out of play and he let Indy fall through the cracks and let the Jests go there....

 

But why?  It’s been reported the Jets and Colts have been talking about a trade for months. If we take Beane at face value he wasn’t ready to pull the trigger. All these draft picks would have to be pretty intoxicating. I know we all want to believe Beane is a wizard but in reality he’s the less experienced guy in the club. It’s entirely possible the Colts pick was the only one open for business, they spent a month hoping we would get off the sidelines and we didn’t, now we’ve been frozen out. 

 

I have a glimmer of hope we get to 2, but that’s Buffalo fandom in a nutshell, a glimmer of hope that isn’t really happening. The much more likely reality is giving up one extra pick to get to 6-7 and settling for the 4th guy on the board. 

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

Why would we trade 12 to move up to 9 and draft a QB? 49ers, Raiders, and Dolphins (according to you) aren't threats. I guess someone else could trade up, but I don't like that move at all. Giving up picks to defend 12 rather than truly moving up. Yuck.

You answered your own question.  Beat other teams to that spot to make sure you get the player.  

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

Why would we trade 12 to move up to 9 and draft a QB? 49ers, Raiders, and Dolphins (according to you) aren't threats. I guess someone else could trade up, but I don't like that move at all. Giving up picks to defend 12 rather than truly moving up. Yuck.

You answered your own question. Someone else could trade up ahead of the bills and leave them with no options. Sound familiar?  

 

This team’s fate for the next 15 years may have been sealed by overachieving last year. I predict we won’t be looking back at last year’s playoff run fondly very soon. But hey we got to kick a field goal in January!

[KDIGGZ]

They have to get to 2. It is what it is now so stop complaining about the cost. This offseason is a complete failure if they don't get one of the top QB's. They whiffed on a veteran and now they have to go all in on a rookie. I'm guessing the holdup is that the Giants want next year's #1 too and Beane is holding out. Meanwhile Denver is also trying to move up and a drop from 2 to 5 is much more attractive than 2 to 12. Lucky for us Gettleman hasn't made the deal because he's giving Beane the opportunity to think it through. He wants to have these guys in for a visit before deciding. In the end someone is going to have to give in and it's probably going to have to be Beane. Giants are in the driver's seat. QB's are going 1, 2, 3, 5, 15

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

They have to get to 2. It is what it is now so stop complaining about the cost. This offseason is a complete failure if they don't get one of the top QB's. They whiffed on a veteran and now they have to go all in on a rookie. I'm guessing the holdup is that the Giants want next year's #1 too and Beane is holding out. Meanwhile Denver is also trying to move up and a drop from 2 to 5 is much more attractive than 2 to 12. Lucky for us Gettleman hasn't made the deal because he's giving Beane the opportunity to think it through. He wants to have these guys in for a visit before deciding. In the end someone is going to have to give in and it's probably going to have to be Beane. Giants are in the driver's seat. QB's are going 1, 2, 3, 5, 15

Is Denver trying to move up? I certainly think it’s possible but I haven’t seen many people linking them to 2. That’s a big price to pay for them. After Keenum I’d expect them to stay at 5 if the Giants don’t trade out and maybe go to 4 if QB’s go 1-3. I think that they could also stay at 5 and take Nelson. 

 

The Giants have the pick that everyone wants, the Bills have the package that the Giants want. Both have some leverage. It’s just different. If the Giants want to pick 2 they will. If they want the biggest return it is from the Bills. 

[Chuck Wagon]

18 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

They have to get to 2. It is what it is now so stop complaining about the cost. This offseason is a complete failure if they don't get one of the top QB's. They whiffed on a veteran and now they have to go all in on a rookie. I'm guessing the holdup is that the Giants want next year's #1 too and Beane is holding out. Meanwhile Denver is also trying to move up and a drop from 2 to 5 is much more attractive than 2 to 12. Lucky for us Gettleman hasn't made the deal because he's giving Beane the opportunity to think it through. He wants to have these guys in for a visit before deciding. In the end someone is going to have to give in and it's probably going to have to be Beane. Giants are in the driver's seat. QB's are going 1, 2, 3, 5, 15

 

 

You touched on it, but I think the current reality is the Giants need to be 100% sure they aren’t in love with one of these QBs before they are willing to deal. Basically we need the Giants to be wrong, not evaluating a guy to be worth it, but turning out that he is. 

 

I almost think the best play for us is going up to 4 now, to ensure we get a top 4 QB with the hopes of boxing Denver out should the Giants decide to move. But I tend to believe it’s more of a top 3 of QBs in war rooms currently with Baker closer to Jackson than #3. 

 

 

[papazoid]

i think Clev at #4 gets Denver at #5  to swap

[Wsam4031]

15 hours ago, Yav said:

Oh I agree, but I think it's more likely that neither QB works out. IMO the percentage is against you.

I hear ya im more of the mindset of no guts no glory. The past 17 years have worn me thin on patience!

[KDIGGZ]

37 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Is Denver trying to move up? I certainly think it’s possible but I haven’t seen many people linking them to 2. That’s a big price to pay for them. After Keenum I’d expect them to stay at 5 if the Giants don’t trade out and maybe go to 4 if QB’s go 1-3. I think that they could also stay at 5 and take Nelson. 

 

The Giants have the pick that everyone wants, the Bills have the package that the Giants want. Both have some leverage. It’s just different. If the Giants want to pick 2 they will. If they want the biggest return it is from the Bills. 

I'm guessing they have inquired. It was reported their plan A was Cousins and plan B was Keenum and possibly trading to 1. Denver is QB desperate and when a team is desperate they do crazy things. I think they want Mayfield or Allen so staying where they are might be fine for now. If they do decide they need to get ahead of someone because they want a QB linked to someone else I think they are our biggest threat. If Giants decide to take a QB and our last hope is to trade up to 4 I think Cleveland would much rather deal with Denver and swap spots so they could still get Barkley and that would be end of the road for us. So we need to get to 2, there's no other play for us and Giants hold our destiny in their hands and they know it. 

[Reed83HOF]

3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

But why?  It’s been reported the Jets and Colts have been talking about a trade for months. If we take Beane at face value he wasn’t ready to pull the trigger. All these draft picks would have to be pretty intoxicating. I know we all want to believe Beane is a wizard but in reality he’s the less experienced guy in the club. It’s entirely possible the Colts pick was the only one open for business, they spent a month hoping we would get off the sidelines and we didn’t, now we’ve been frozen out. 

 

I have a glimmer of hope we get to 2, but that’s Buffalo fandom in a nutshell, a glimmer of hope that isn’t really happening. The much more likely reality is giving up one extra pick to get to 6-7 and settling for the 4th guy on the board. 

Because I am giving him a glimmer of hope that he wasn't that slow off the boat and honestly, that inept. 

 

As reported we were in conversations with the Colts as well, I am assuming, that Beane must have had a reason for declining to beat the offer (in negotiations I am sure the Colts wanted to drive the price up as high as possible). I would hope that we don't have another GM who is asleep at the wheel (I don't believe this is the case). Beane better have some idea as to who he is targeting, maybe the final board isn't set up enough and seeing that we traded TT and waited for AJ, he left a gaping hole and appears to be playing roulette with this position. 

[gobills1212]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Because I am giving him a glimmer of hope that he wasn't that slow off the boat and honestly, that inept. 

 

As reported we were in conversations with the Colts as well, I am assuming, that Beane must have had a reason for declining to beat the offer (in negotiations I am sure the Colts wanted to drive the price up as high as possible). I would hope that we don't have another GM who is asleep at the wheel (I don't believe this is the case). Beane better have some idea as to who he is targeting, maybe the final board isn't set up enough and seeing that we traded TT and waited for AJ, he left a gaping hole and appears to be playing roulette with this position. 

To me, this makes a ton of sense

[Chuck Wagon]

11 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Because I am giving him a glimmer of hope that he wasn't that slow off the boat and honestly, that inept. 

 

As reported we were in conversations with the Colts as well, I am assuming, that Beane must have had a reason for declining to beat the offer (in negotiations I am sure the Colts wanted to drive the price up as high as possible). I would hope that we don't have another GM who is asleep at the wheel (I don't believe this is the case). Beane better have some idea as to who he is targeting, maybe the final board isn't set up enough and seeing that we traded TT and waited for AJ, he left a gaping hole and appears to be playing roulette with this position. 

 

 

I have a glimmer of hope still too.  But it's entirely possible the Jets caught Beane in a moment where Beane thought he controlled the negotiations and slipped one past him.  Realistically anything is possible.  We could have been deep in talks with the Giants and they could have been blown apart by the price the Jets paid.  Beane could have called the Colts bluff about pulling the trigger at this point.  Beane could be intoxicated by his draft capital and unwilling to pull the trigger until he's 110% sure, yet all the seats could be filled by that point.  Anything is in play, but currently the Giants hold all the cards, they aren't going to move down until they are 110% sure the picks are worth the trade out.  We all want to hope with the best intentions in the world that Beane has an ace up his sleeve, but right now the most likely scenario is we have yet another regime who is hitching their wagon to another teams backup and overdrafting whatever is left on the board.

2 hours ago, kdiggz said:

I'm guessing they have inquired. It was reported their plan A was Cousins and plan B was Keenum and possibly trading to 1. Denver is QB desperate and when a team is desperate they do crazy things. I think they want Mayfield or Allen so staying where they are might be fine for now. If they do decide they need to get ahead of someone because they want a QB linked to someone else I think they are our biggest threat. If Giants decide to take a QB and our last hope is to trade up to 4 I think Cleveland would much rather deal with Denver and swap spots so they could still get Barkley and that would be end of the road for us. So we need to get to 2, there's no other play for us and Giants hold our destiny in their hands and they know it. 

 

 

The Jets are QB desperate, their current regime knows they need a QB or are out of a job.  Cleveland is QB desperate, Haslam may nuke the whole thing yet agian if they screw up the position for a 3rd year in a row.  Elway is QB desperate, they've swung and missed multiple times and aren't going to just put their eggs in the Keenum / Lynch basket.  I get the sense Beane / McD aren't QB desperate.  The Bengals putting them in the playoff bought them some goodwill.  Because of that, I don't think they are truly willing to pay the price to get an elite guy, I think they have their price on a trade up, but they aren't willing to go the extra step because they are resting on some goodwill and 6 picks in the top 3 rounds lets them swing on a lower tier QB prospect, add a bunch of talent and see what happens.

 

It's clear some fans are fine with that route, if they find a diamond in the rough that's a big win.  But I'm increasingly worried those of us who want to see the franchise take a real swing for the first time ever are going to come away disappointed.

[Reed83HOF]

4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

I have a glimmer of hope still too.  But it's entirely possible the Jets caught Beane in a moment where Beane thought he controlled the negotiations and slipped one past him.  Realistically anything is possible.  We could have been deep in talks with the Giants and they could have been blown apart by the price the Jets paid.  Beane could have called the Colts bluff about pulling the trigger at this point.  Beane could be intoxicated by his draft capital and unwilling to pull the trigger until he's 110% sure, yet all the seats could be filled by that point.  Anything is in play, but currently the Giants hold all the cards, they aren't going to move down until they are 110% sure the picks are worth the trade out.  We all want to hope with the best intentions in the world that Beane has an ace up his sleeve, but right now the most likely scenario is we have yet another regime who is hitching their wagon to another teams backup and overdrafting whatever is left on the board.

I don't disagree with any of this...

[Yav]

4 hours ago, Wsam4031 said:

I hear ya im more of the mindset of no guts no glory. The past 17 years have worn me thin on patience!

I’m torn. Do, don’t do it, I don’t even care anymore just do something to win. 

[Chuck Wagon]

Go to #4 now.  #12 / #22 / #65.  (1,800 points for #4 vs 2,245 points for those picks).

 

Then once the Giants decide they aren't taking QB, flip #4 / #53 / #97.  Giants either get the #1 position player or shop again to the team desperate for the final QB on the board.

 

Keep a 2018 2nd and all our 2019 picks.

[elltrain22]

My 2 cents of what I think will happen (not just what I want to happen).....

 

Browns- take Darnold, 95% sure

 

Giants- I believe they are in  "win-now mode." Rosen would sit the bench or Eli would, and in  the NYG's  eyes, that's a waste of a good player. They will take the Bills large offer of 12, 22, 53, 65, plus 2019 2nd rounder. The Bills draft Josh Rosen!! 

 

Jets- Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield, but I think they will take Allen

 

Browns- Denzel Ward

 

Broncos- Quentin Nelson

 

Colts- (trade with Miami or Arizona)- whatever QB is left either Mayfield or Allen. 

 

Bucs- Barkley

 

49ers- Bradley Chubb

 

Bears- Minkah Fitzpatrik

 

Raiders- Roquan Smith

[What a Tuel]

20 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I stand corrected. I hadn't noticed that name at the bottom of each and every player scouting report and it looks like he does them all. 

Miami has stated that all options are on the table and they will look at a QB with their first pick. The thing is that Arizona is still looking for a QB and I highly doubt they will be thinking Bradford, Glennen long term. I can see them in the mix to move up if one of the top four/five are there. 

 

20 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

You answered your own question.  Beat other teams to that spot to make sure you get the player.  

 

20 hours ago, Chemical said:

You answered your own question. Someone else could trade up ahead of the bills and leave them with no options. Sound familiar?  

 

This team’s fate for the next 15 years may have been sealed by overachieving last year. I predict we won’t be looking back at last year’s playoff run fondly very soon. But hey we got to kick a field goal in January!

 

The bolded is the only valid reason. If you are giving up picks to move out of 12, you better be damn sure it is move up ahead of they higher teams. Not play defense against teams picking in the mid teens. Thats just failure on the GMs part at that point. Just my opinion though, and I am sure I won't be the only one pissed at this. Moving up for 4-5th choice. Yuck.