Is Glenn a goner??

[Marv's Neighbor]

There goes another jersey!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, ******* said:

With the way this team is moving I’d think he’s gone with the bonus due next Friday 

 

Let me try to educate.  If you click on the table below it'll be easier to see.

 

The Bills owe Glenn a $2M bonus plus $9.25M salary this year.  So you might think, We Doggies! trade Glenn and we save $11.25M!

Look at the top left orange box under "trade (pre-June 1), $9.6M. 

This is the result of Glenn's prorated signing bonus of $3.2M per year x 3 accelerating into 2018 if he's traded.

 

Trade Glenn -> save ($11.25M - $9.6M) = $1.65M

And he leaves a hole we got to fill

Let's say we pick up a FA OT, a 5 year vet.  At veteran minimum, he gets $0.8M/yr plus probably some signing bonus, and if he's good, he gets more.

The #31 paid LT in the league, DJ Humphries of the Cardinals, gets an average of $2.25M/yr.

 

Bottom line, we will not move Glenn because we owe him a bonus and a big salary, because we don't save enough to pay his replacement.

We will move Glenn if and only if we can use him as bait to acquire someone who adds more value to the team than we lose by trading him.

 

13 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

I think he gets traded next week to the Giants and the Bills acquire the number 2 pick in the draft. The Giants are rebuiding their line and sign Norwell and draft an OLine guy with our #21 pick like Daniels or Hernandez and with #22 draft a RB like Sony Michel. These teams want to figure the trade out before FA

 

Using Glenn as part of a package to acquire the #2 pick in the draft would certainly be a sound reason to move him, but I would be highly surprised if the Giants would commit themselves so far in advance of the draft and while they're still in the process of going to pro days and bringing draft prospects in, to set a final value on them (not to mention seeing if other teams will offer them more)

 

#2 to #21 is a long drop down.

12 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

Unfortunately I think he's trade bait, they are trying to clear out our cap this year and looking to find space to re-sign players next year. 

 

They will not save much cap this year by trading Glenn.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Let me try to educate.  If you click on the table below it'll be easier to see.

 

The Bills owe Glenn a $2M bonus plus $9.25M salary this year.  So you might think, We Doggies! trade Glenn and we save $11.25M!

Look at the top left orange box under "trade (pre-June 1), $9.6M. 

This is the result of Glenn's prorated signing bonus of $3.2M per year x 3 accelerating into 2018 if he's traded.

 

Trade Glenn -> save ($11.25M - $9.6M) = $1.65M

And he leaves a hole we got to fill

Let's say we pick up a FA OT, a 5 year vet.  At veteran minimum, he gets $0.8M/yr plus probably some signing bonus, and if he's good, he gets more.

The #31 paid LT in the league, DJ Humphries of the Cardinals, gets an average of $2.25M/yr.

 

Bottom line, we will not move Glenn because we owe him a bonus and a big salary, because we don't save enough to pay his replacement.

We will move Glenn if and only if we can use him as bait to acquire someone who adds more value to the team than we lose by trading him.

 

 

for a pretty astute football guy around these parts, trying that "voice of reason" stuff may not be a wise idea unless you're dressed in kevlar...just sayin'....

[baskingridgebillsfan]

I get it he earns a lot of money but I don't understand the rush to get rid of him.   He can play Right tackle and coming of college there was talk that he could be an all pro guard.   They can live with him on the books for at least next season.   If he is healthy they have a rock solid pair of tackles.   

[Misterbluesky]

1 hour ago, billieve420 said:

If they can trade him fine but I hope we are not cutting a talented player when healthy with a line group that is mediocre at best especially on the right side.

Right on! If Glenn can get 100% healthy again ..that gives us two solid T's..you never want to mess with that..ever.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Let me try to educate.  If you click on the table below it'll be easier to see.

 

The Bills owe Glenn a $2M bonus plus $9.25M salary this year.  So you might think, We Doggies! trade Glenn and we save $11.25M!

Look at the top left orange box under "trade (pre-June 1), $9.6M. 

This is the result of Glenn's prorated signing bonus of $3.2M per year x 3 accelerating into 2018 if he's traded.

 

Trade Glenn -> save ($11.25M - $9.6M) = $1.65M

And he leaves a hole we got to fill

Let's say we pick up a FA OT, a 5 year vet.  At veteran minimum, he gets $0.8M/yr plus probably some signing bonus, and if he's good, he gets more.

The #31 paid LT in the league, DJ Humphries of the Cardinals, gets an average of $2.25M/yr.

 

Bottom line, we will not move Glenn because we owe him a bonus and a big salary, because we don't save enough to pay his replacement.

We will move Glenn if and only if we can use him as bait to acquire someone who adds more value to the team than we lose by trading him.

 

 

Using Glenn as part of a package to acquire the #2 pick in the draft would certainly be a sound reason to move him, but I would be highly surprised if the Giants would commit themselves so far in advance of the draft and while they're still in the process of going to pro days and bringing draft prospects in, to set a final value on them (not to mention seeing if other teams will offer them more)

 

#2 to #21 is a long drop down.

 

They will not save much cap this year by trading Glenn.

You are likely correct as the usual MO is to wait until they are on the clock. I just have a sneaking suspicion after hearing Gettleman say he wanted to have a clear idea by FA what the direction was. Could just be smoke, or could be he and Beane have it worked out and nothing to be gained by waiting. They both move forward in FA and the draft knowing where they stand. Gettleman has a **** ton of draft picks and Glenn. He can sign Norwell and whoever else he want. Beane has number 2. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think he will be traded before the 2mill bonus is due

 

I don’t think it’s a matter of money at this point but some guys are just more comfortable on one side than the other. Has ever played RT? 

I am pretty sure at UGA he played every position on the line at some point. 

[Misterbluesky]

6 minutes ago, baskingridgebillsfan said:

I get it he earns a lot of money but I don't understand the rush to get rid of him.   He can play Right tackle and coming of college there was talk that he could be an all pro guard.   They can live with him on the books for at least next season.   If he is healthy they have a rock solid pair of tackles.   

Some people are acting like we are running a firesale ...jeepers..if you want I winning team you have to pay the top talent.

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, ******* said:

With the way this team is moving I’d think he’s gone with the bonus due next Friday 

If they feel he will never be dependably near 80-100% then use him in a trade.

[ColoradoBills]

If Glenn is back 90+ percent you GOT to keep him.

All the trade Glenn reasons last year are different this year.

 

Bills have shed a ton of cap space and need now to be much more selective.

Glenn needs to step up and become the leader of the OL for next year.

Wood is gone.  So is Henderson.  Groy is the Bills Center with only a handful of starts.

Richie is old and most likely on his last year as a Bill.

LG is average at best.

 

If you want to get 2 million is cap saving cut Jordan Mills not Cordy Glenn.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

If they feel he will never be dependably near 80-100% then use him in a trade.

 

...isn't that a paradoxical statement?....how do "trade partner" and "dependability" equate?...just curious.............and at what value?..........

[ndirish1978]

34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

They will not save much cap this year by trading Glenn.

 

They won't this year, they would for next year I believe unless I'm mistaken. I don't want to trade him, I want him at RT. 

[Buffalo Boy]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...isn't that a paradoxical statement?....how do "trade partner" and "dependability" equate?...just curious.............and at what value?..........

Not arguing but don’t understand your question.

If the Bills training staff thinks he can’t be depended upon in the future they should trade him. 

If they legitimately feel he’s got at least two solid years left then they should keep him.

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, billieve420 said:

If they can trade him fine but I hope we are not cutting a talented player when healthy with a line group that is mediocre at best especially on the right side.

When healthy...

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Not arguing but don’t understand your question.

If the Bills training staff thinks he can’t be depended upon in the future they should trade him. 

If they legitimately feel he’s got at least two solid years left then they should keep him.

 

...apologize for the confusion bud....if the Bflo medical staff questions his dependability from a health perspective, why do you think he would be trade worthy?....caveat emptor IMO..isn't the buyer getting potentially damaged goods if  health/dependability are the reasons for Bflo letting him go?...hope this helps......and yes, keep him if he is healthy...cap hit implications seriously diminish for 2019 I believe..

Edited March 10, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Buffalo Boy]

Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...apologize for the confusion bud....if the Bflo medical staff questions his dependability from a health perspective, why do you think he would be trade worthy?....caveat emptor IMO..isn't the buyer getting potentially damaged goods if  health/dependability are the reasons for Bflo letting him go?...hope this helps......

I guess I’m saying healthy enough to pass a physical but they still don’t trust him to stay on the field.

You never know who will give up what ina trade. NE has been getting over on teams for years.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

They won't this year, they would for next year I believe unless I'm mistaken. I don't want to trade him, I want him at RT. 

 

It's true, they could clear him off the books at the cost of nailing the cap further this year.

I just don't see the cost/benefit of that.  If he's healthy, by all reports he's a hard worker, and the loss of Wood already leaves a veteran hole in the line.

With Dareus, I think we mailed him out of here because he was snoozing in meetings etc and it sends a bad message if your top paid guy isn't buying in.

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I don't think losing an above average tackle makes any sense, why fix something that isn't broken? Now if he's part of a trade to move up and get a QB, if his injury is worse than were hearing or if he 's part of a trade for a player at another position it makes sense. To outright cut him for none of the above reasons just wouldn't make much sense to me. 

[Just Joshin']

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

I don't think losing an above average tackle makes any sense, why fix something that isn't broken? Now if he's part of a trade to move up and get a QB, if his injury is worse than were hearing or if he 's part of a trade for a player at another position it makes sense. To outright cut him for none of the above reasons just wouldn't make much sense to me. 

Agree.  If he is part of a package to move up, makes sense.  Moving on for a minimal savings when you could have two good tackles makes less sense.

[Zebrastripes]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

think he will be traded before the 2mill bonus is due

 

For some reason I just see him being more valuable as part of a trade up rather than by himself.  Plus I don't see the Bills as in a desperate need to shed money now that TT was traded before his bonus kicked in.