thebandit27 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Hopkins just got $16M AAV and Alshon just got $13M AAV. No one can seriously tell me that Watkins is gonna fall between the two of them on a long term deal. Why not? Jeffery has been an 800-yard receiver for 3 consecutive seasons, and he's totaled 15 TDs during that time. In the last 3 seasons, Watkins has averaged 700 yards per season and scored 19 TDs. He's also 4 years younger than Jeffery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Why not? Jeffery has been an 800-yard receiver for 3 consecutive seasons, and he's totaled 15 TDs during that time. In the last 3 seasons, Watkins has averaged 700 yards per season and scored 19 TDs. He's also 4 years younger than Jeffery. because Jeffery is 10000% more well-regarded in league circles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Guy who works for me loves Woods, all I heard all season is what an amazing WR he is...I didn't even pay attention to his stats this year TBH Dont get me wrong, he played well...but he still had less than 800 yards is all I was saying. His production wasn't much better than it was here. My biggest issue with Woods when he was here is that he never really took advantage of opportunities to be a leading WR for a team. Even in LA, he greatly benefited from the double coverage Sammy drew and also the array of other weapons teams had to defend in Watkins, Gurley (running and short passes), Kupp, Austin, and both TE's. Woods can be quite good when he is in a situation like he is in here in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: That's a good one. I'm starting to wonder if Buffalo sports fans resent well-paid athletes... I'll leave it at that for now but I suspect there's more to it. Right - Stevie was loved until he got paid (and dropped that bomb against Pittsburgh). Once it's time to pay them, the fans turn. Wonder no more. The answer is yes. Many Bills fans hate the highly paid, highly drafted players. There is little controversy with the try hard UDFAs and late rounders...until they get paid. See Johnson, Steven. Captain of the USS Fukhmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Why not? Jeffery has been an 800-yard receiver for 3 consecutive seasons, and he's totaled 15 TDs during that time. In the last 3 seasons, Watkins has averaged 700 yards per season and scored 19 TDs. He's also 4 years younger than Jeffery. For some reason I think people believe that the Eagles WR corps put up crazy individual numbers last year because someone was making big plays in highlights all the time............they did not.........they spread the ball around. Jeffery got paid in acknowledgement of his talent..........if they had less weapons he'd have put up much bigger individual numbers and that had to be accounted for if they didn't want to lose him. I think Watkins would have had by far his best year with Tyrod in 2017 because he was the #1 and there wasn't a #2 or even a #3 really. He was going to get his 10-12 targets per game finally. 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Lol come on BADOL. You should know by now everything is Tyrods fault. As much money and draft capital as teams are spending on CB's now............is it ever surprising now when more CB's go in round 1 than WR?...........you gotta' start wondering who's really negating who's primary asset on gameday? Watkins lined up against Jalen Ramsey, Richard Sherman, Patrick Peterson and Josh Norman last year..........that's the shutdown archipelago..........and taking those guys 30 yards downfield and out of the play made life so much easier for the rest of the Rams offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 51 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I'm struggling to think of a Bills receiver since Andre Reed that the fans have actually liked. Moulds? Price? We hated Goodwin, Sammy, Hogan, and Evans. I didn't hate any of those guys. The only problem I had with any of them was Evans' reluctance to run shallow crossers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 2 hours ago, dave mcbride said: The pass I suspect you're thinking of was thrown by EJ Manuel. There isn't a player in the league who wouldn't have been injured on that play given the ball placement and the angle of the defender making the hit. Yeah you are right but Tyrod has hung receivers out to dry too. I will say, he seems to have done better with ball placement the past season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 8, 2018 Share Posted March 8, 2018 Good for Flash. Always liked that dude. That TD celebration of his right after he and his wife lost their premature infant was one of the most emotional moments I’ve ever seen onfield in any sport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Goodwin is a good dude, always worked hard and when he was on the field he actually showed flashes of production. But he just always got hurt, glad to see him get rewarded for his hard work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Except Woods finished his season with less than 800 yards, just like here. He had a couple strong games and people seem to think he had some huge year. He was on track for a 1200 yard season through week 10. Had 170 yd game... then petered out got hurt etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Rewarded for a great season, he is a talented guy (when healthy). Goodwin is a great guy and one that we should be happy for. Congrats to him!!! i would absolutely echo this statement. very happy for him, and wish him nothing but the best. classy guy, glad to see good things come his way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 I’d love to see him ending up with a bigger contract than Sam-me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 2 hours ago, jmc12290 said: because Jeffery is 10000% more well-regarded in league circles. That is highly suspect 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: For some reason I think people believe that the Eagles WR corps put up crazy individual numbers last year because someone was making big plays in highlights all the time............they did not.........they spread the ball around. Jeffery got paid in acknowledgement of his talent..........if they had less weapons he'd have put up much bigger individual numbers and that had to be accounted for if they didn't want to lose him. I think Watkins would have had by far his best year with Tyrod in 2017 because he was the #1 and there wasn't a #2 or even a #3 really. He was going to get his 10-12 targets per game finally. As much money and draft capital as teams are spending on CB's now............is it ever surprising now when more CB's go in round 1 than WR?...........you gotta' start wondering who's really negating who's primary asset on gameday? Watkins lined up against Jalen Ramsey, Richard Sherman, Patrick Peterson and Josh Norman last year..........that's the shutdown archipelago..........and taking those guys 30 yards downfield and out of the play made life so much easier for the rest of the Rams offense. Agreed on all counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: He was on track for a 1200 yard season through week 10. Had 170 yd game... then petered out got hurt etc Actually, thats really a myth. Prior to the 171 yard game he played 8 games. In those 8 games he had a 100 game just once. In the other 7 games, he totaled just 343 yards. Which is an average of 49 yards per game, never having a game over 70 yards. In fact, his 3rd biggest yardage total of the season was the very first game returning from injury with 81 yards. So he didn't "Peter out" as you put it, in fact in the 2 games prior to getting hurt he had just 70 and 59 yards respectively. People keep talking about this 1200 yard pace, but its an illusion and a fallacy all based on one game out of 11 that he had a big game. Outside that one game, he averaged 55 yards per game in the other 11 games. So had he played 4 more games, near his average, he would have finished with less than 1000 yards receiving and no where near 1200 yards. Woods was a good contributor to the Rams, but it was not anything more than he did for the Bills despite being on a team that threw more than Bills did while he was here. Edited March 9, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 Now he can afford to buy a pair of hands And maybe some good medical insurance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Fallacy. Tyrod is limited but how do you explain Watkins putting up nearly 80 ypg with Tyrod in 2015? Or Deonte Thompson landing back with Tyrod and suddenly, just a few days later, looking like an NFL WR for the first time in his career and having by far his best season? Good receivers put up good numbers if the QB fits their style. Sometimes they actually get MORE opportunities with a limited passer than when the QB is excellent and distributes the ball better. See the numbers of Josh Gordon in his big year or Nuke Hopkins basically every year with the bums he's played with at QB. Tyrod fit Marquise style..........Goodwin just wasn't good at being an NFL WR yet. He showed up to TC in August 2016 having not run routes or caught passes in almost a year.........he even refused to play catch in shorts during OTA's. He showed up 15 pounds lighter than his football weight and had to battle to get thru the season and prove he could stay healthy so he didn't not only blow his Olympic dream but also kill his stated football goal of "a second contract". After 2 years on the shelf training for the Olympics 2016 was a virtual rookie season for him. Had he stayed in 2017 he would have likely had the same success with Tyrod.........but it's moot because he couldn't be trusted by the Bills at that point. Tis true enough Sage One. He was a good fit conceptually with Tyrod at the least. Would allowing time to pass and keeping him in Buffalo worked out as well? not sure. I would have kept R Woods too.His only true fault was injury 3 hours ago, jmc12290 said: because Jeffery is 10000% more well-regarded in league circles. just to counter and have a poke, are you in these " league circles" ? kinda gross when misinterpreted 2 hours ago, K-9 said: I didn't hate any of those guys. The only problem I had with any of them was Evans' reluctance to run shallow crossers. he would have died . he knew and so should you. worst route when poorly thrown ever. and back then MLB or even box safety could just stand there and cleaver his head clean off with only a 15 yard PI penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 6 hours ago, WMDman said: Good for quise, sucks he couldn’t stay healthy with us Hard to stay healthy when the ball is throw behind you a lot of times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Actually, thats really a myth. Prior to the 171 yard game he played 8 games. In those 8 games he had a 100 game just once. In the other 7 games, he totaled just 343 yards. Which is an average of 49 yards per game, never having a game over 70 yards. In fact, his 3rd biggest yardage total of the season was the very first game returning from injury with 81 yards. So he didn't "Peter out" as you put it, in fact in the 2 games prior to getting hurt he had just 70 and 59 yards respectively. People keep talking about this 1200 yard pace, but its an illusion and a fallacy all based on one game out of 11 that he had a big game. Outside that one game, he averaged 55 yards per game in the other 11 games. So had he played 4 more games, near his average, he would have finished with less than 1000 yards receiving and no where near 1200 yards. Woods was a good contributor to the Rams, but it was not anything more than he did for the Bills despite being on a team that threw more than Bills did while he was here. Well. thats still aint half bad is it? and Bills did what last year with WRs? Nothing really. whilst all blame TT piss poor moves generally speaking because all about picks and cap and the Vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 We are the farm team for the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, offyourocker said: Hard to stay healthy when the ball is throw behind you a lot of times He as a poor route runner unless thrown over him at that point in time. He had another gear you rarely see. But getting off blocks and route running? nope. not so much when with Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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