MrEpsYtown Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 http://www.spotrac.com/research/NFL/100-potential-2018-nfl-cap-casualties-714/ I thought this was a pretty good resource to see some of the names we could expect to be released over the next few months. With Beane possibly playing the comp pick game, these names could be possible targets if cut. Some names on the list have already been cut. There are a number of names on this list that likely will not get cut, but it is still really interesting to look at the dead money cap implications in one place. I'm still holding out hope for Robert Quinn at some point this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Cordy Glenn is gone. I can't see any reason for keeping him. And his contract and cap money are ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Socal-805 said: Cordy Glenn is gone. I can't see any reason for keeping him. And his contract and cap money are ridiculous. Agreed. Looking at the numbers, I think an early off season trade makes the most sense. I think he will have trade value for a team like the Giants or Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: Cordy Glenn is gone. I can't see any reason for keeping him. And his contract and cap money are ridiculous. Does "having two good starting tackles" count as a reason to keep him? 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Does "having two good starting tackles" count as a reason to keep him? Not if cutting one frees up cap space for peoples mock offseasons Edited February 27, 2018 by CaptnCoke11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Not if cutting one frees up cap space for peoples mock offseasons The team can save just as much by cutting both Mills and Ducasse. I think some folks need to ask themselves: would you rather have Glenn, or the combination of Mills and Ducasse? If the answer isn't readily apparent, then those folks are watching a different game than I am 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The team can save just as much by cutting both Mills and Ducasse. I think some folks need to ask themselves: would you rather have Glenn, or the combination of Mills and Ducasse? If the answer isn't readily apparent, then those folks are watching a different game than I am We've had this discussion before bandit, but I'd release or trade Richie, move Glenn to LG (again going on college production and some projections coming out) and either sign Ja'Wuan James for the RT position or Draft one....keep Miller, I think he rebounds nicely in Daboll's scheme. However, I would also sign Bodine and probably Draft a C / RG hybrid to be able to move around. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Does "having two good starting tackles" count as a reason to keep him? Assuming one doesn't spend all his time guarding the training table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: We've had this discussion before bandit, but I'd release or trade Richie, move Glenn to LG (again going on college production and some projections coming out) and either sign Ja'Wuan James for the RT position or Draft one....keep Miller, I think he rebounds nicely in Daboll's scheme. However, I would also sign Bodine and probably Draft a C / RG hybrid to be able to move around. I'd be way happier going with Dawkins/Glenn at tackle and signing Joe Hawley to compete at the interior spots. I'd keep Miller and Mills and let Ducasse go. At some point on day 3 you can draft another interior guy to compete for the RG and interior swing spot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Does "having two good starting tackles" count as a reason to keep him? and not if one of them (Glenn) is constantly on the bench /sidelines hurt ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I'd be way happier going with Dawkins/Glenn at tackle and signing Joe Hawley to compete at the interior spots. I'd keep Miller and Mills and let Ducasse go. At some point on day 3 you can draft another interior guy to compete for the RG and interior swing spot. I suppose this is potatoes vs. pot"aw"toes....but, regardless, keeping Glenn is more favorable to helping a young QB...and in other threads, I've been a proponent of trading Shady and taking his replacement in the Draft, that would save some money.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 36 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Agreed. Looking at the numbers, I think an early off season trade makes the most sense. I think he will have trade value for a team like the Giants or Colts. if someone trades for him it means he's healthy. i think if he's healthy we need to keep him unless the offer is excellent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I suppose this is potatoes vs. pot"aw"toes....but, regardless, keeping Glenn is more favorable to helping a young QB...and in other threads, I've been a proponent of trading Shady and taking his replacement in the Draft, that would save some money.... Shady is just to valuable , he still plays at an all world level. Has rare agility and vision and is as dangerous a RB can be in the pass game. He's the heart of the offense , extremely high football I.q. no chance Shady goes anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: The team can save just as much by cutting both Mills and Ducasse. I think some folks need to ask themselves: would you rather have Glenn, or the combination of Mills and Ducasse? If the answer isn't readily apparent, then those folks are watching a different game than I am Since Mills and Ducasse are generally on the field and Glenn isn't, I keep the other two. By the way, which "game" this season did you see Glenn perform so well in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: and not if one of them (Glenn) is constantly on the bench /sidelines hurt ... Define constantly on the bench...up until last season he played in 90% of the team's games for his career. 1 minute ago, Socal-805 said: Since Mills and Ducasse are generally on the field and Glenn isn't, I keep the other two. By the way, which "game" this season did you see Glenn perform so well in? Miller missed more games as a rookie than Glenn did in his first 4 seasons in the NFL, so that's a horrible assessment of their respective availability. As to Glenn's performance last year, 3 of the team's 5 best rushing performances came with him in the lineup...and the other two were the LAC game (where they were able to run the ball once down by 5 scores) and the Indy game where passing was impossible. Maybe it's worth considering if your opinion holds water before you throw stones? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Define constantly on the bench...up until last season he played in 90% of the team's games for his career. Constantly - continuously over a period of time; always. and... for 2016 and 2017 he started - 16 games, which is actually less then 50 %. How many of those games did he come out of?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: Constantly - continuously over a period of time; always. and... for 2016 and 2017 he started - 16 games, which is actually less then 50 %. How many of those games did he come out of?? So because he had one season where he missed more time than he played, he's constantly injured? That's poor analysis IMO. Glenn played in 25% of the team's offensive snaps in 2017. How about since he was drafted? 2012 - 79.43% 2013 - 100% 2014 - 98.49% 2015 - 98.51% (this was after having a kidney removed by the way) 2016 - 61.75% Constantly out of the lineup? No. Coming off of an injury-plagued season for the first time in his career? Yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeane Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So because he had one season where he missed more time than he played, he's constantly injured? That's poor analysis IMO. Glenn played in 25% of the team's offensive snaps in 2017. How about since he was drafted? 2012 - 79.43% 2013 - 100% 2014 - 98.49% 2015 - 98.51% (this was after having a kidney removed by the way) 2016 - 61.75% Constantly out of the lineup? No. Coming off of an injury-plagued season for the first time in his career? Yes. Not just 1, back-to-back injury-plagued seasons. 62% play time is not something you can call consistent, and at a position like starting LT you really need some consistency. 1 injury plagued season might just be an anomaly, but back-to-back starts to show a bad trend that you might not want to rely on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheBeane said: Not just 1, back-to-back injury-plagued seasons. 62% play time is not something you can call consistent, and at a position like starting LT you really need some consistency. 1 injury plagued season might just be an anomaly, but back-to-back starts to show a bad trend that you might not want to rely on. He missed 2 games at the beginning of 2016 and the final 3 games; in between, he started 10 consecutive games. He's hardly been the injury-plagued type over his career, and the rush to jettison a guy that's proved himself a very good player at an important position boggles my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 48 minutes ago, aristocrat said: if someone trades for him it means he's healthy. i think if he's healthy we need to keep him unless the offer is excellent While I agree, I do think we are in a good position to use him to trade up for a franchise quarterback. I like Glenn, but if he could help us jump up the draft board we need to do it. The Giants Broncos, and Colts have huge needs along the offensive line. A franchise quarterback trumps all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Socal-805 said: Cordy Glenn is gone. I can't see any reason for keeping him. And his contract and cap money are ridiculous. So you want to save only 3 million and have 11 million of dead cap space? With all that dead $, he's better off on the team. End of discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: He missed 2 games at the beginning of 2016 and the final 3 games; in between, he started 10 consecutive games. He's hardly been the injury-plagued type over his career, and the rush to jettison a guy that's proved himself a very good player at an important position boggles my mind. Hmm, OK. If Glenn is so consistent and valuable, what in your opinion should the Bills expect to receive for him in trade if he were to be traded? Note: looking for an answer in 2018 draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Glenn is like having another high draft pick added to the 2018 team. He is an above average tackle and most definetly better then Mills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 BUZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!! Wrong answer.... Next contestant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So because he had one season where he missed more time than he played, he's constantly injured? That's poor analysis IMO. Glenn played in 25% of the team's offensive snaps in 2017. How about since he was drafted? 2012 - 79.43% 2013 - 100% 2014 - 98.49% 2015 - 98.51% (this was after having a kidney removed by the way) 2016 - 61.75% Constantly out of the lineup? No. Coming off of an injury-plagued season for the first time in his career? Yes. I'm glad someone posted facts. The number of games/snaps played are similar to Eric Wood. Wood's first 3 seasons he played 10, 14 and 9 games then all 16 for the next 3 seasons, 9 in '16 and all 16 in '17. With such a big cap hit even if they trade or release Glenn they are much better off working to get him healthy and retaining him and playing him at either RT or RG. Dawkins, Incognito, Groy, Glenn and 1 more would be a good line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, TheBeane said: Not just 1, back-to-back injury-plagued seasons. 62% play time is not something you can call consistent, and at a position like starting LT you really need some consistency. 1 injury plagued season might just be an anomaly, but back-to-back starts to show a bad trend that you might not want to rely on. It depends upon why. Wasn't his 2016 injury the same high-ankle-sprain? Probably grade 3 (torn ligaments), they tried to manage it conservatively with recovery and strengthening, and that didn't work, so this year he got the knife. If it works, could be good to go. I think y'all need to look at the difference between a guy's cap number if he stays and his dead cap hit if he goes. For Glenn, that is $5M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Socal-805 said: Since Mills and Ducasse are generally on the field and Glenn isn't, I keep the other two. By the way, which "game" this season did you see Glenn perform so well in? Every one he played in he performed well. He has no long-term history of being hurt. The small cap savings due to dead cap left over if cut/traded will be eaten up by the marginal avg player with less talent then Glenn has that they would sign to replace him. Do you want a guy worse than Ducasse or Mills replacing an All Pro LT who could play guard or RT and actually make the Bills O line good. And not fake good like some reports are suggesting they were last year. They stunk last year overall by any game play eye test measure.(McCoy had career low ypc, TT sacked a lot)Anyone who does not believe that just needs to watch the moves the Bills FO will make to improve the line to understand they also see it the same way. Edited February 27, 2018 by cba fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Someone please tell me what OT's never get injured. I think you'd be hard pressed to fine an OT who's performed as well as Glenn with a better injury report card. He's had ONE bad season of injuries. One in 6 seasons. If he's healthy, you keep him. If he's not healthy, he's not tradeable anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: Hmm, OK. If Glenn is so consistent and valuable, what in your opinion should the Bills expect to receive for him in trade if he were to be traded? Note: looking for an answer in 2018 draft picks. I wouldn't expect to receive much more than the 2018 3rd and 2019 2nd that Seattle gave up for Duane Brown 24 minutes ago, Socal-805 said: BUZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!! Wrong answer.... Next contestant. Um, what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, cba fan said: Every one he played in he performed well. He has no long-term history of being hurt. The small cap savings due to dead cap left over if cut/traded will be eaten up by the marginal avg player with less talent then Glenn has that they would sign to replace him. Do you want a guy worse than Ducasse or Mills replacing an All Pro LT who could play guard or RT and actually make the Bills O line good. And not fake good like some reports are suggesting they were last year. They stunk last year overall by any game play eye test measure.(McCoy had career low ypc, TT sacked a lot)Anyone who does not believe that just needs to watch the moves the Bills FO will make to improve the line to understand they also see it the same way. o Nonsense. I'm calling B.S.. He had possibly the worst game of his career against the Jets. He and InCog were both brutal. He has been more hurt that healthy for 2 seasons now. 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: I wouldn't expect to receive much more than the 2018 3rd and 2019 2nd that Seattle gave up for Duane Brown OK. Fair enough. Let's see what happens. Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Socal-805 said: Cordy Glenn is gone. I can't see any reason for keeping him. And his contract and cap money are ridiculous. You do realize how much that will impact the cap figure right? Dead money. Cap hit ($19,600,000). $14,450,000 Edited February 27, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 28, 2018 Share Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: You do realize how much that will impact the cap figure right? Dead money. Cap hit ($19,600,000). $14,450,000 Just an FYI for Cordy's contract notes. The 19.6 includes the highlighted below. Contract Notes: $36M guaranteed (signing bonus + 2016 salary, 2017 salary) $1.5M of his 2018 salary fully guarantees on 3/11/2017 $6.5M of his 2018 salary fully guarantees on 3/16/2018 2017 Roster Bonus: $2M (due 3/13/2017) 2018 Roster Bonus: $2M (due the 3/18/2018) 2019 Roster Bonus: $2M (due the 5th league day of 2019) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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