Former NFL Lineman Jonathan Martin Seems Very Troubled - Has Been Taken into Custody

[T-Bomb]

Some ppl are such precious snow flakes they can't handle being picked on, so their only option is to want to kill other human beings...

 

Nice

Edited February 24, 2018 by T-Bomb

[ndirish1978]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

Okay, so everyone has become this obtuse.  Good to know.

 

You have to have some serious role-colored glasses on in order to interpret the situation the way you chose to. If you read the summary of the words and a description of the image sure, that's a possible interpretation. But you have several things working against you here:

1. He identified people by name in an image threatening violence
2. He identified locations by name in an image threatening violence
3. The most important fact working against your interpretation - He didn't come out and say "hey guys this is what I meant."  Instead, he has checked himself into a mental health facility.

[DC Tom]

4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

You have to have some serious role-colored glasses on in order to interpret the situation the way you chose to. If you read the summary of the words and a description of the image sure, that's a possible interpretation. But you have several things working against you here:

1. He identified people by name in an image threatening violence
2. He identified locations by name in an image threatening violence
3. The most important fact working against your interpretation - He didn't come out and say "hey guys this is what I meant."  Instead, he has checked himself into a mental health facility.

 

And yet, he wasn't charged, he's not in police custody, the police determined there was no threat (they have explicitly said "There was no threat.")  He was, however, placed on a 72-hour psych hold.  He did not check himself in.  

 

And there's the little thing that you're arguing that he was calling himself a coward.  Which makes absolutely no !@#$ing sense whatsoever.

[#34fan]

 

15 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

And yet, he wasn't charged, he's not in police custody, the police determined there was no threat (they have explicitly said "There was no threat.")  He was, however, placed on a 72-hour psych hold.  He did not check himself in.  

 

And there's the little thing that you're arguing that he was calling himself a coward.  Which makes absolutely no !@#$ing sense whatsoever.

 

Ugh! Tom, please restrict your shmuckery, and troll, j_rk-off, takes to PPP, and off the wall!

 

[JohnC]

30 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

And yet, he wasn't charged, he's not in police custody, the police determined there was no threat (they have explicitly said "There was no threat.")  He was, however, placed on a 72-hour psych hold.  He did not check himself in.  

 

And there's the little thing that you're arguing that he was calling himself a coward.  Which makes absolutely no !@#$ing sense whatsoever.

I'm confused as to who committed him. If the police believed that he is "a danger to himself or others" then he would be taken into custody and sent to a pysch facility to be examined. The hold is usually for 72 hours where the psych people can make a determination to release him or further examine him. In order to hold him beyond the limit there has to be another hearing before a judge. 

 

I don't have all the details but it sounds to me that the police went to where he was and interviewed him. After talking to him it appears that they determined that he should be committed in order to be examined by psych professionals.  The paper work is relatively short and simple. It is basically reduced to the issue of the person being a danger to oneself and others. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by JohnC

[JohnC]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

If I'm incognito i stay 10000 miles from this kitty candy ass.  The first time didn't result so well and incognito got screwed.  I ain't apologizing to kitten Martin for anything

 

Apologize to martin?  Jesus. Martin needs to learn he is a grown man. Pussification of America causes people to be offended and make for weak ass apologies

Martin seems to have issues that have little to do with Incognito and the Miami incident. It goes way beyond that incident. This is a situation where Incognito should wish him well and stay out of it. Martin needs professional help and his erratic behavior makes that very clear. This isn't a street issue and adapting to the tough world. This is an issue  dealing with a troubled person with mental health issues. . 

Edited February 24, 2018 by JohnC

[sleeby]

39 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

It'd show he is a fool. Men move on from bad situations. Beaches crawl back for amends.

 

You sound like a real man!  Thanks for the poser testosterone shower though.  

 

43 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

I'm incognito i stay 10000 miles from this kitty candy ass.  The first time didn't result so well and incognito got screwed.  I ain't apologizing to kitten Martin for anything

 

Apologize to martin?  Jesus. Martin needs to learn he is a grown man. Pussification of America causes people to be offended and make for weak ass apologies

 

[Green Lightning]

JM is clearly cracker-dogs and RI would do well to stay as far away as possible. If he keeps behaving in such an erratic manner, he should be in professional care. Bullying inside this guy's never been right.

[Victory Formation]

Sometimes you're the hammer, sometimes you're the nail. Has anybody here never been the butt of jokes? I have. But I've also viciously teased people in the past (all of which I apologized profusely for later in life). It's just the way it goes, euphoria doesn't last forever, neither does depression.

Edited February 24, 2018 by NewDayBills

[boyst]

4 hours ago, sleeby said:

 

You sound like a real man!  Thanks for the poser testosterone shower though.  

 

 

Don't worry, I am all man...

[Murdox]

22 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

His plan was not to get killed. This couldn't be more obvious based on his actions and his plan.

 

We can agree to disagree.  My opinion is when you go to shoot up a school in at least the back of your mind you know you will be caught or kill yourself.  Or you are simply crazy.  Whatever the scenario, I don't think in this case the fear of armed gunman at the campus would have changed his mindset, given how troubled he was and given how he was fantasizing about getting into shootouts with folks. 

Edited February 25, 2018 by Murdox

[Victory Formation]

On 2/23/2018 at 3:33 PM, Leonhart2017 said:

The good news here is no one was physically harmed and he can now hopefully get some help.

We'll see if it helps. Sounds like he is psychotic, bipolar maybe? Only so much they can do. Going to be a lifelong battle I'm afraid.

[Albwan]

On 2/23/2018 at 2:37 PM, PolishDave said:

 

He was seen pantsless on the 400 toking it up with Cyrus Kouandjo on some kind of synthetic ganja.   

 

Dareus flew by them in some kind of convertible Ferrari whipping the finger yelling "Yo my ...........!"

lol?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, JohnC said:

Martin seems to have issues that have little to do with Incognito and the Miami incident. It goes way beyond that incident. This is a situation where Incognito should wish him well and stay out of it.

 

Exactly.  The first time Incognito tried to befriend Martin (however misguided in the details), it did not end well for him.    He has nothing to gain and everything to lose.  Stay away.

[vincec]

On 2/23/2018 at 8:10 PM, Rob's House said:

I feel vindicated when these J-Mart stories come out. I was one of the first to call bull **** on the bully story and took God knows how much flack for it. People were super pissed off declaring Incognito the scum of the earth and holding Martin up as both a victim and courageous survivor. Turns out they were all full of ****.

 

The moral of the story is that knee-jerk, easily outraged manginas who see the world comprised of victims and victimizers are almost always wrong.

Maybe you should refamiliarize yourself with the case.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/14/5411608/worst-of-the-richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-report-miami-dolphins

 

[Chimp]

20 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

On the other hand why do you need an automatic weapon to protect yourself.  You in guerilla warfare? 

I was with you to this point.  You can't buy an automatic weapon without a class 3 permit.  These aren't happening with automatic weapons.  Besides, automatic weapons are only first shot accurate.  Guerilla warfare...maybe.  when each side immediately demonizes the other without listening, how far off is a war?  Civil wars start between people, not governments man.  At the rate we are going I can see my kids fighting in a civil war.

[Rob's House]

1 hour ago, vincec said:

Maybe you should refamiliarize yourself with the case.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/14/5411608/worst-of-the-richie-incognito-jonathan-martin-report-miami-dolphins

 

My advice is to learn from this and move on with your life. Ted Wells and the NFL told you what your inner bullied child wanted to hear and you bought it. Now you're still living in denial about being duped. That's not healthy.

[JohnC]

8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Exactly.  The first time Incognito tried to befriend Martin (however misguided in the details), it did not end well for him.    He has nothing to gain and everything to lose.  Stay away.

If I may let me turn this issue around to Incognito. His behavior in Miami and toward Martin was way out of line. It's debatable whether his severe punishment was warranted or not. But his involuntary time out of football was the best thing that happened to him. Incognito's life was careening out of control. His life was turbulent and on the verge of blowing up. It got to the dangerous point that he exploded and in a rage beat up a luxury car. I have heard Incognito talk about how he with much resistance finally faced up to his own demons. He sought counseling and stuck with it. He not only has turned his career around but also his life. 

 

I have seen some video of Incognito off the field.  His conduct was raunchy and obnoxious. You don't have to be a professional in the mental health business to recognize that he was like a powder keg ready to explode. A while back I saw an interview with Incognito in which he revealed a very personable and engaging side. He was very bright, articulate and self-reflective. The point I'm making here is that with the right help people can turn things around and live a happy and meaningful life. I hope that Martin who now seems so lost can find the right path to health and happiness. 

[nedboy7]

13 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Don't worry, I am all man...

 

Weird you would have to prove your manliness ha?  Especially on here.  

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

If I may let me turn this issue around to Incognito. His behavior in Miami and toward Martin was way out of line. It's debatable whether his severe punishment was warranted or not. But his involuntary time out of football was the best thing that happened to him. Incognito's life was careening out of control. His life was turbulent and on the verge of blowing up. It got to the dangerous point that he exploded and in a rage beat up a luxury car. I have heard Incognito talk about how he with much resistance finally faced up to his own demons. He sought counseling and stuck with it. He not only has turned his career around but also his life. 

 

I have seen some video of Incognito off the field.  His conduct was raunchy and obnoxious. You don't have to be a professional in the mental health business to recognize that he was like a powder keg ready to explode. A while back I saw an interview with Incognito in which he revealed a very personable and engaging side. He was very bright, articulate and self-reflective. The point I'm making here is that with the right help people can turn things around and live a happy and meaningful life. I hope that Martin who now seems so lost can find the right path to health and happiness. 

 

Well said.  Both guys had +/- still have their issues, but RI seems to have worked through his while I think that JM couldn't and still can't face the fact that he wasn't cut-out for the NFL, so he blamed/blames it on RI.  I agree that what RI did was out of line and unsavory but I don't think it caused JM to flame-out.  After all, there was a reason the Miami coach(es) told RI to toughen JM up.  And given the support RI's Miami teammates gave him and not one gave it to JM, I suspect they felt that what he did was okay because Martin didn't belong there.