YoloinOhio Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916199/article/saints-bills-rams-among-nfls-10-best-offensive-line-units Using the unique Next Gen Stats tracking data provided by the microchips in every player's shoulder pads, we're looking to take another step in evaluating the performance of the offensive line. The rankings for this list were created using a 1-32 listing of both pressures allowed (pass blocking) and average rushing yards gained before close (run blocking) for every team. The rankings were then finalized with the lowest composite score coming out ahead. NOTES: Next Gen Stats defines a "pressure" as a pass-rushing play in which a defender gets within 2 yards of the opposing quarterback at the time of the throw or sack. Other outlets collect pressures using different methods, and these have value. What is and is not a pressure will always carry some level of debate, but NGS provides us a unique advantage in that the numbers rely not on the subjective eye test, but rather on objective results that are consistent across all plays. "Yards gained before close" (YGBC) measures the amount of rushing yards a running back gains before opposing defenders come within 1 yard of the player. In addition to making sense intuitively, this metric correlates with other measures of run blocking success. The league average is 0.29 YGBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Ummmm, that was not the feeling I got. We couldn’t run like we had the previous two years, and Tyrod, well, you know. I’m hoping next year has a totally different feel. If your line is #2, shouldn’t it FEEL better??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, Augie said: Ummmm, that was not the feeling I got. We couldn’t run like we had the previous two years, and Tyrod, well, you know. I’m hoping next year has a totally different feel. If your line is #2, shouldn’t it FEEL better??? It feels worse when the QB holds the ball longer than anyone in the entire league 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) McCoy had a few big runs to the outside where there was literally no one for 30 to 40 yards...actually 2 plays in a row that led to a TD in the Chargers game...there would have to have been a lot of bad plays to offset that... Edited February 20, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I really think the talent isn’t far off on the line. We need a scheme and coaches that fit the personnel . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916199/article/saints-bills-rams-among-nfls-10-best-offensive-line-units If our line was #2, how come Shady and TT both dropped off significantly in YPA and every time I looked seemed as though TT had dudes in his face? Edited February 20, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 can't wait to get a real qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916199/article/saints-bills-rams-among-nfls-10-best-offensive-line-units Ummm... is anyone else seeing the massive problem with this technique to measure the effectiveness of an OL when it comes to protecting a QB like Tyrod Taylor? " Next Gen Stats defines a "pressure" as a pass-rushing play in which a defender gets within 2 yards of the opposing quarterback at the time of the throw or sack. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If our line was #2, how come Shady and TT both dropped off significantly in YPA and every time I looked seemed as though TT had dudes in his face? Taylor dropped because teams know exactly how to stop him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokinES3 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, Augie said: Ummmm, that was not the feeling I got. We couldn’t run like we had the previous two years, and Tyrod, well, you know. I’m hoping next year has a totally different feel. If your line is #2, shouldn’t it FEEL better??? I think most of us feel that way. The eye test obviously leaves a bit to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 (edited) The Steelers ranking on that list is absurd and that alone destroys it's credibility. They have the best oline in the league. Steelers Eagles Saints Rams Vikings That's my top 5. Edited February 20, 2018 by Big Blitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 This is a complete joke. Read how they generate their rankings. Of course Taylor made our OL look significantly better based on this criteria. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Football outsiders has our line at 27th in run blocking and 31st in pass blocking. Maybe we're somewhere in between, but these metrics they use make more sense to me. There's no way our line was 2nd in the league. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Football outsiders has our line at 27th in run blocking and 31st in pass blocking. Maybe we're somewhere in between, but these metrics they use make more sense to me. There's no way our line was 2nd in the league. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol Thanks for that link... I think that lines up more with reality. Their methodology was an absolute joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzReaper Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Most of us can see that the line was bad... Personally speaking some shoddy metrics aren't going to change my mind about what I saw. I watched the games and what I saw with my own eyes wasn't the 2nd best line in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 16 hours ago, kdiggz said: It feels worse when the QB holds the ball longer than anyone in the entire league Right on man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If our line was #2, how come Shady and TT both dropped off significantly in YPA and every time I looked seemed as though TT had dudes in his face? There's lies, damned lies, and then there's statistics. A good OL protects the passer and opens holes for the runners. The Bills OL did that far worse in 2017 than in the previous 2 seasons with most of the same personnel, and against good Ds, they performed only marginally better than the horrible OLs fielded during the Jauron era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 16 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Ummm... is anyone else seeing the massive problem with this technique to measure the effectiveness of an OL when it comes to protecting a QB like Tyrod Taylor? " Next Gen Stats defines a "pressure" as a pass-rushing play in which a defender gets within 2 yards of the opposing quarterback at the time of the throw or sack. " Number of “pressures” on the season wasn’t even normalized to number of passing plays. Buffalo had the second fewest pass attempts in the league. This ranking is simply invalid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 16 hours ago, SmokinES3 said: I think most of us feel that way. The eye test obviously leaves a bit to be desired. Well, they did fire the OC and are rumoured to want to get into the top 5 of the draft to get a QB. That should answer your questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 when the ball is hiked, you blink and 2 guys crash the line and land on the QB, your line isn't that good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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