Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 10 hours ago, Sky Diver said: The court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything? Assualts against your reputation and character and the stigma it carries is inconsequential? I could be mistaken, but what I think he meant is that the "court of public opinion" doesn't have any rational validity - not that it can't have consequences 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 (edited) If you see one of these stories and immediately assume guilt or innocence you should probably ask what it is about yourself that makes you feel that way. The truth is you have no idea. There are a lot of truly dangerous, abusive guys. There are also a lot of guys that are falsely accused for various reasons. Then there are all the other cases that fall into a gray area. A guy is convicted for DV because he bruised the wrist of the arm his wife slapped him in the face with as he slept on the couch. A girl slaps her husband once after learning he's been !@#$ing her friend. A guy is charged for forcibly throwing his wife out of the house after she threw wine in his face and while she was smashing his things. Most of these cases fall in the gray area. That's an area where damn near everyone has something in their past that would cause a stir if they were famous and it came out. If you don't you're as big a freak as anyone. I keep hearing innocent until proven guilty only matters in court, but that's wrong. We have that built into our legal system because we overwhelmingly agreed with the PRINCIPLE of giving the benefit of the doubt to someone until there's strong evidence to the contrary. You don't have to agree with a legal decision (O.J. did it) but if you're any kind of decent person, you're not going to assume the worst in someone until you're pretty damn sure what they did is as morally reprehensible as you think it is. Edited May 19, 2018 by Rob's House 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I could be mistaken, but what I think he meant is that the "court of public opinion" doesn't have any rational validity - not that it can't have consequences Not sure what you mean by “rational validity”. The court of public opinion can’t try and convict you, but it can certainly be damaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Rob's House said: If you see one of these stories and immediately assume guilt or innocence you should probably ask what it is about yourself that makes you feel that way. The truth is you have no idea. There are a lot of truly dangerous, abusive guys. There are also a lot of guys that are falsely accused for various reasons. Then there are all the other cases that fall into a gray area. A guy is convicted for DV because he bruised the wrist of the arm his wife slapped him in the face with as he slept on the couch. A girl slaps her husband once after learning he's been !@#$ing her friend. A guy is charged for forcibly throwing his wife out of the house after she threw wine in his face and while she was smashing his things. Most of these cases fall in the gray area. That's an area where damn near everyone has something in their past that would cause a stir if they were famous and it came out. If you don't you're as big a freak as anyone. I keep hearing innocent until proven guilty only matters in court, but that's wrong. We have that built into our legal system because we overwhelmingly agreed with the PRINCIPLE of giving the benefit of the doubt to someone until there's strong evidence to the contrary. You don't have to agree with a legal decision (O.J. did it) but if you're any kind of decent person, you're not going to assume the worst in someone until you're pretty damn sure what they did is as morally reprehensible as you think it is. Foster certainly hasn’t received the benefit of the doubt in this case. It makes one wonder why that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 Sherman is a smart guy. I think it says something that he is sticking his neck out for Foster. https://247sports.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/Article/Richard-Sherman-shares-his-thoughts-on-Reuben-Foster-San-Francisco-49ers-118383301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 On 5/18/2018 at 10:44 PM, Sky Diver said: Not sure what you mean by “rational validity”. The court of public opinion can’t try and convict you, but it can certainly be damaging. I mean that in general, public opinion is not very rational, is easily swayed by appeals to emotion, and makes judgements which generally correlate previously held views (of whatever persuasion). I agree it can be very damaging. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I hope that this woman will face some kind of consequences, but if she does it's only because she was stupid enough to come clean which is a sad irony. So many people lie without conscience or consequence as long as it furthers their goals. It's incredibly pervasive and accepted in our society. As long as you get what you want then it's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 12 hours ago, vincec said: I hope that this woman will face some kind of consequences, but if she does it's only because she was stupid enough to come clean which is a sad irony. So many people lie without conscience or consequence as long as it furthers their goals. It's incredibly pervasive and accepted in our society. As long as you get what you want then it's all good. Agreed, she needs to be held accountable. And Foster still seems like a shady dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Agreed, she needs to be held accountable. And Foster still seems like a shady dude. How so? Edited May 22, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Sky Diver said: How so? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000933365/article/reuben-foster-due-in-court-june-20-for-pot-charge for one thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000933365/article/reuben-foster-due-in-court-june-20-for-pot-charge for one thing Need to legalize pot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RocCityRoller Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 (edited) On 4/14/2018 at 10:41 PM, JoPar_v2 said: Hope you come back and visit when he’s convicted/pleads guilty. Isn’t there UA board you can slither off to and pollute in the meantime? On 4/14/2018 at 7:39 PM, aristocrat said: Of all the crimes to go on the limb for beating the hell out of a chick is not one I would. Ban him from the league Well, looks like the court of public opinion is WRONG AGAIN There is a reason why a lot of people let DUE PROCESS AND FACTS come out before publicly convicting them Reuben Foster is no saint, but people get ruined by this type of stuff very frequently. Often it ends up be nothing more than false accusations and libel. It also demeans the women who are actual victims of crime who are strong enough to come forward. On 5/15/2018 at 12:48 PM, Soda Popinski said: well that sucks that she lied, I called the guy an animal after reading that he kicked the dog and hit her. If she's lying and she's admitting it, lock her up now because that is as bad or worse than actually being abused. The damage to his reputation is irreparable. it's like being accused of rape. People never look at you the same again Reuben Foster’s ex-girlfriend will testify that she lied to police about him Posted by Michael David Smith on May 15, 2018, 12:38 PM EDT Getty Images The ex-girlfriend of 49ers linebacker Reuben Foster is prepared to testify under oath that she was lying when she told police that he assaulted her. That’s the word from attorney Stephanie Rickard, who told the Sacramento Bee that her client, Elissa Ennis, will appear in court on Thursday and testify that she was lying when she said Foster hit her. Ennis was injured when police arrived to take her statement, but she now says she suffered those injuries in a fight with another woman, not with Foster. It is unclear whether prosecutors will still attempt to pursue charges against Foster. He faces three felony charges, one for domestic violence, one for attempting to prevent Ennis from reporting a crime, and one for possessing an assault weapon. He could still face legal jeopardy for the assault weapon, even if prosecutors do not move forward on the two other charges. Meanwhile, Ennis could face charges for lying to police, although a legal analyst contacted by the Sacramento Bee said prosecutors are unlikely to pursue such charges. And there it is, ruin someone in the kangaroo court of social media as we have seen here, and walk away unscathed. Edited May 23, 2018 by RocCityRoller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 23, 2018 Share Posted May 23, 2018 Not surprising after last week's testimony by the accuser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Your Brown Eye Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 Quote Women need to have the book thrown at them when they do this. Throw them in jail for 10-20 and throw away the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 It's been a good week for Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 I know that most of you will think the following comment(s) are because I am obviously and admittedly biased toward the Crimson Tide, but if Reuben Foster can keep his head on straight and stay healthy, the kid has a chance to be the best inside linebacker in the NFL imho. He is fast, strong, smart, and the kid is a flat out predator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Reuben “Missile Crisis” Foster. The guy is a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 Marijuana charge dismissed. https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/25/report-reuben-fosters-marijuana-charges-dismissed-utm_sourcenotifutm_campaignninerswire/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 On 4/12/2018 at 6:25 PM, Blokestradamus said: I've officially disowned Reuben. I've defended him in the past but that stops now. His actions are thoroughly reprehensible and I hope that his victim can find someone that will treat her like she deserves. The “victim” deserves jail time. On 4/12/2018 at 1:14 PM, buffaloboyinATL said: He is who we thought he was. A falsely accused man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 On 4/12/2018 at 1:34 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: This is weird. In another thread, I was told Alabama and it’s football program only has the highest of academic standards! It’s? Where did you learn grammar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 26, 2018 Share Posted May 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: It’s? Where did you learn grammar? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 On 5/22/2018 at 5:41 PM, wppete said: Need to legalize pot. Pot is legal. Copper pots is the craze right now. On 5/21/2018 at 9:01 PM, vincec said: I hope that this woman will face some kind of consequences, but if she does it's only because she was stupid enough to come clean which is a sad irony. So many people lie without conscience or consequence as long as it furthers their goals. It's incredibly pervasive and accepted in our society. As long as you get what you want then it's all good. Are you sure she was not paid to change story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Limeaid said: Pot is legal. Copper pots is the craze right now. Are you sure she was not paid to change story? Taking money to put herself in legal jeopardy? Not to mention she falsely accused some one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Taking money to put herself in legal jeopardy? Not to mention she falsely accused some one else. Worked for Greg hardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Worked for Greg hardy Which has zero to do with Foster's case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 14 hours ago, Limeaid said: Pot is legal. Copper pots is the craze right now. Are you sure she was not paid to change story? The charges have been dropped based the alleged victims testimony, which was given under oath. You want to continue to persecute the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Which has zero to do with Foster's case. Hardy paid the girl not to show up. It’s plausible foster has paid this girl. It’s an example of something that has happened before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: Hardy paid the girl not to show up. It’s plausible foster has paid this girl. It’s an example of something that has happened before It most certainly is not. By getting on the witness stand to recant her previous testimony she exposed herself to criminal prosecution. Not even close to the same scenario as not showing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Hardy paid the girl not to show up. It’s plausible foster has paid this girl. It’s an example of something that has happened before She testified under oath that she didn't receive any payment from Foster and also testified that she falsely accused another man of domestic violence. Why do you see the need to continue to persecute the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: She testified under oath that she didn't receive any payment from Foster and also testified that she falsely accused another man of domestic violence. Why do you see the need to continue to persecute the guy? Do you know how easy it is to hide money like that? Lol at claiming I’m persecuting him. It’s a pretty plausible scenario that there is a chance took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Do you know how easy it is to hide money like that? Lol at claiming I’m persecuting him. It’s a pretty plausible scenario that there is a chance took place. Uh, huh. Some people think that it is plausible that we faked the moon landing too. Take off the tin foil hat. Edited May 30, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Uh, huh. Some people think that it is plausible that we faked the moon landing too. Take off the tin foil hat. So she lied before but this time she’s telling the truth? Ok man. Just cause she’s under oath doesn’t mean a thing. And a million bucks would alleviate her 30 days in jail 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: So she lied before but this time she’s telling the truth? Ok man. Just cause she’s under oath doesn’t mean a thing. And a million bucks would alleviate her 30 days in jail She falsely accused someone else of DV and went to jail for it. You conveniently ignore this fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: She falsely accused someone else of DV and went to jail for it. You conveniently ignore this fact. So because you want to believe she’s telling the truth means she’s finally telling the truth on the stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Just now, aristocrat said: So because you want to believe she’s telling the truth means she’s finally telling the truth on the stand? She has a history of false DV accusations that she spent time in jail for. That's a fact pattern that you continue to ignore because it doesn't buttress your argument that simply does not add up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, aristocrat said: So she lied before but this time she’s telling the truth? Ok man. Just cause she’s under oath doesn’t mean a thing. And a million bucks would alleviate her 30 days in jail Haha. Yeah, it's really easy to transfer a million dollars with no one noticing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Haha. Yeah, it's really easy to transfer a million dollars with no one noticing. It’s very easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: It’s very easy. There was a video showing that she sustained her injuries in a fight with another woman. I guess you haven't followed the case very carefully. The charges were dropped after a thorough investigation and a court hearing. Time to end the witch hunt, my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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