26CornerBlitz Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Like I was saying yesterday to @BuffaloRebound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BillsFan4 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: That was a really good article. It left me even more impressed with Kyle Shanahan than I already was. He seems to have a very good knowledge of what to look for in a quarterback, which made this quote stand out to me - Quote At that time, the only guys we thought were franchise quarterbacks that were being mentioned were Kirk (Cousins) and Jimmy,” Shanahan said. “And I knew Kirk wasn’t going to be a possibility. And I remember asking Bill [Belichick] personally down at the combine about Jimmy, and very quickly he told me that wasn’t a possibility. So we moved on from that. He told me he wasn’t going to trade him.” If Cousins was right at the top of Shanahan's QB wish list (with Garoppolo), that makes me want him even more now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Like I was saying yesterday to @BuffaloRebound That's some funny stuff. The guy with 7 starts under his belt could've squeezed the 49ers harder than becoming the highest paid player in the NFL. Guy should retire already. Not much more to prove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: That's some funny stuff. The guy with 7 starts under his belt could've squeezed the 49ers harder than becoming the highest paid player in the NFL. Guy should retire already. Not much more to prove. Supply and demand. QBs are in short supply and are the most important piece on the team, and it's not even a close #2. He just turned 26. Sat behind tom Brady (this is a good thing it he's a smart player who studied and paid attention). He has been nothing short of brilliant when he's played. He went 5-0 beating 3 playoff teams, averaging almost 70% comp and 300 yards per game. 4 of the 5 teams he beat we're top 15 defenses. 2 of those we're top 10, including #2 JAX. The guy isn't Rob Johnson 2.0 with one start. Is he deserving of being the highest paid player? Depends what you consider "deserving" You can't look at the $27mil a year in a vacuum. As I've said before, the salary cap increases year to year, which means a guy making $25mil 5 years ago is a higher % of the cap than a guy making $25mil today. EVERY position has supply and demand, it is just magnified with QBs, as they are the most important, and the drop-off/gap in team chances of winning is staggering when going from one QB tier to the next (elite-->almost elite-->very good-->above average-->average-->below average-->trash-->Cleveland) Each tier is probably worth about 2 wins a year over the previous. Jimmy G I think has shown enough that he's at least going to be an "above average" QB who has looked top of "almost elite" to bottom of "elite" already. He would have hit $30mil open market. They paid on his age, potential, and QB relative value to the other options available. Edited February 10, 2018 by SouthNYfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 10 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: That's some funny stuff. The guy with 7 starts under his belt could've squeezed the 49ers harder than becoming the highest paid player in the NFL. Guy should retire already. Not much more to prove. It's really not that funny if you understand why they wanted him or QB market in general.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 What seems crazy here is 5 games as a 49er. Matt Cassel took the Cheaters to an 11-5 record and when he left the team wasn’t that great. This contract is a gamble at this time. Time will tell if he’s good great or elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: It's really not that funny if you understand why they wanted him or QB market in general.... I fully understand that paying the guy $23m under the franchise tag to make him prove it for more than 5 games before making him the highest paid player in the game is now considered a slap in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: I fully understand that paying the guy $23m under the franchise tag to make him prove it for more than 5 games before making him the highest paid player in the game is now considered a slap in the face. Belichick knows even if you don't. Edited February 10, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) If the same guy from last season shows up, it was worth it.... That guy looked VERY hard to beat. Edited February 10, 2018 by #34fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 ...interesting......Bradford got $50 mil guaranteed in 2010 under the old system (the last year for it)....Stafford got $41 mil guaranteed in 2009.....translate those dollars into today, both for guys not having played ONE NFL down......Jimmy played 7 games........so at the end of the day, how much of an actual difference exists between 2009/2010 QB dollars versus 2018?.......is there a built in premium of crazy money in 2018 because of QB position desperation?...probably.....to what extent, I don't know.....but JG's deal is probably somewhat relative to 2009/2010 old draft system....... 49ers’ deal with Jimmy Garoppolo allows team to move on in 2021 if he struggles The 49ers protected themselves from the possibility that Jimmy Garoppolo doesn’t live up to the hype. By Adam Stites Feb 9, 2018, 2:24pm EST The San Francisco 49ers committed to Jimmy Garoppolo in a big way Thursday with a five-year, $137.5 million contract. The $27.5 million annual average is an NFL record, and it comes with $74 million guaranteed. The message is clear: The 49ers want Garoppolo to be their quarterback of the future. San Francisco is also aware of the fact that it’s basing that hope off a total of seven career starts and just one month for Garoppolo as the 49ers’ starter. If things go south for the quarterback, the 49ers run the risk of sinking the franchise’s assets into a player who isn’t who they thought he was. https://www.sbnation.com/2018/2/9/16996734/jimmy-garoppolo-san-francisco-49ers-contract-salary-cap-hits 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said: I fully understand that paying the guy $23m under the franchise tag to make him prove it for more than 5 games before making him the highest paid player in the game is now considered a slap in the face. It's really not. No one is making that argument--other than you. Again, if you understand wha it is SF is doing.... Let's say he is as good as all indications are that he is so far. Do you think he would sign for the same money after his franchise year next off-season? Of course he would not. Sure, there is alway risk with any big contract, but the bigger risk is the he would cost them more in the future----or he may end up on another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 22 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: That's stretching it. He should stick to a studio for another year or so. Probably get an endorsement from some housing company there and not pay at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) How does a QB with 7 total starts in the NFL become the highest payed player in NFL History?? Sometimes as a QB I think its more beneficial to get limited games as a backup over 4 or 5 years because teams will way overpay in FA once the hype train has built up over the last 4 or 5 years. This is the equivalent of paying the 1st pick in the draft 100+ million before they even play a single down in the NFL...they instituted a rookie cap but apparently they need to institute a games played cap in FA...absolutely ridiculous. Edited February 10, 2018 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 17 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: That was a really good article. It left me even more impressed with Kyle Shanahan than I already was. He seems to have a very good knowledge of what to look for in a quarterback, which made this quote stand out to me - If Cousins was right at the top of Shanahan's QB wish list (with Garoppolo), that makes me want him even more now! Very interesting quote regarding Belichick's admission Jimmy G wasn't gonna be available. There is no fricken way there wasn't a ton of friction in the front office when they did trade him. Talk about ownership meddling! The Pats*** will live to regret that decision. It's not like they have a Steve Young ready to take the reins when Brady moves on. They're gonna start reaching to find one, too. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, matter2003 said: How does a QB with 7 total starts in the NFL become the highest payed player in NFL History?? Sometimes as a QB I think its more beneficial to get limited games as a backup over 4 or 5 years because teams will way overpay in FA once the hype train has built up over the last 4 or 5 years. This is the equivalent of paying the 1st pick in the draft 100+ million before they even play a single down in the NFL...they instituted a rookie cap but apparently they need to institute a games played cap in FA...absolutely ridiculous. I can only laugh at people who bristle about him becoming the highest paid player when that status is likely to end as soon as Cousins hits UFA and Matt Ryan/Rodgers get extensions not too long thereafter. The 49ers are confident he will sustain a high level of play as are many of people across the NFL who have seen him on display. Edited February 10, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I can only laugh at people who bristle about him becoming the highest paid player when that status is likely to end when hits UFA Cousins and Matt Ryan/Rodgers get extensions not too long thereafter. The 49ers are confident he will sustain a high level of play as are many of people across the NFL who have seen him on display. I went through so this before People like to look at contracts in a vacuum The cap goes up every year, so his 27 mil won't be as much % of the cap. You also hit the nail on the head, regarding the other extensions incoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, K-9 said: Very interesting quote regarding Belichick's admission Jimmy G wasn't gonna be available. There is no fricken way there wasn't a ton of friction in the front office when they did trade him. Talk about ownership meddling! The Pats*** will live to regret that decision. It's not like they have a Steve Young ready to take the reins when Brady moves on. They're gonna start reaching to find one, too. Good luck with that. Definitely interesting, and it kind of matches up with all the stories we heard about Belichick not wanting to trade him. There were definitely a lot of stories about tension between Belichick, Brady and Kraft leading up to and after that trade. We may never know for sure but I would guess that when there's that much smoke theee bound to be at least some fire... Belichick was said to have put a lot of time into developing/mentoring Garoppolo. They said he met with him one on one in his office at least once a week which I guess was supposedly totally unheard of for any other QB Belichick drafted over the years (minus Brady, I'd assume). He clearly seen something special in Garoppolo. I think it's also telling how the trade went down. Belichick didn't try and shop Garoppolo around. From what was written, he didn't even take the best offer that was on the table. He (supposedly) wanted to send JG somewhere where he'd have top notch coaching and a good shot at success, which matches up with Kyle Shanahan's reputation as a QB guru and elite offensive mind. I'm just glad that for whatever reason (owner meddling?) the Pats traded Jimmy G. That trade could end up being the beginning of the end of the Pats dynasty. From what we've seen so far of Garoppolo, he looks to have had a pretty good shot at stepping right in for Brady and not missing a damn beat... Belichick's been with the Pats almost 2 decades and out of all the QBs he drafted, only hit on Brady and Garoppolo (or so it looks so far). The odds of him hitting on (and developing) another QB like that before he retires (assuming its in the next few years or so) are not great. Although I never count the Patriots out when it comes to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Turk Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I can only laugh at people who bristle about him becoming the highest paid player when that status is likely to end as soon as Cousins hits UFA and Matt Ryan/Rodgers get extensions not too long thereafter. The 49ers are confident he will sustain a high level of play as are many of people across the NFL who have seen him on display. As a elite level FA you typically get paid on a stong body of past work. Could you imagine a non-QB getting paid huge money in FA when they played a total of 7 games in their career over a 4 year period? Would NDamakong Suh have gotten his monster contract if he played 7 games randomly throughout his first 4 years in the NFL? Would Patrick Peterson have gotten his monster contract if he only played 7 games in the NFL? What about Laveon Bell? How is it cool for a QB that has shown "potential" to be paid as if he has already realized that potential when literally no other position in the NFL is treated like that? They get paid once they have realized that potential. Any other position would be lucky to get 3 or 4 million a year with a similar number of games played---certainly nowhere close to the highest paid player at their position, let alone in NFL history. It's a crazy double standard. Edited February 10, 2018 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: As a elite level FA you typically get paid on a stong body of past work. Could you imagine a non-QB getting paid huge money in FA when they played a total of 7 games in their career over a 5 year period? Would NDamakong Suh have gotten his monster contract if he played 7 games randomly throughout his first 4 years in the NFL? Would Patrick Peterson have gotten his monster contract if he only played 7 games in the NFL? What about Laveon Bell? How is it cool for a QB that has shown "potential" to be paid as if he has already realized that potential when literally no other position in the NFL is treated like that? They get paid once they have realized that potential. It's a crazy double standard. Do you really not understand that the QB position at the NFL level is entirely different? It is especially the case with so few high level QBs available. When you have the chance to secure one for your team, don't mess around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 58 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I went through so this before People like to look at contracts in a vacuum The cap goes up every year, so his 27 mil won't be as much % of the cap. You also hit the nail on the head, regarding the other extensions incoming. 17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Do you really not understand that the QB position at the NFL level is entirely different? It is especially the case with so few high level QBs available. When you have the chance to secure one for your team, don't mess around. I'm putting together the info for a thread about QB pay adjusted for higher cap increases. Some people are going to be shocked how much changes for QB pay due to the cap increase. One interesting contract is Ryan Tannehill's. It was redone from time still left on his rookie contract in 2015. He signed for an average of 19.25 million. Factoring in ONLY the increase percentage of the cap increase that same contract is now worth 24 million per year! I'm doing this for all active veteran QBs. Spoiler Alert: Rodgers contract signed in 2013 is worth an amazing number today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 What’s laughable is people thinking JG is has earned anything after 7 starts. Now he has to prove he deserves it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm putting together the info for a thread about QB pay adjusted for higher cap increases. Some people are going to be shocked how much changes for QB pay due to the cap increase. One interesting contract is Ryan Tannehill's. It was redone from time still left on his rookie contract in 2015. He signed for an average of 19.25 million. Factoring in ONLY the increase percentage of the cap increase that same contract is now worth 24 million per year! I'm doing this for all active veteran QBs. Spoiler Alert: Rodgers contract signed in 2013 is worth an amazing number today. Looking forward to seeing your findings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Do you really not understand that the QB position at the NFL level is entirely different? It is especially the case with so few high level QBs available. When you have the chance to secure one for your team, don't mess around. How is this any different than what owners and the NFLPA decided they didn't want to have when signing first overall picks and other high draft picks to humongous contracts and instituted a rookie cap? Edited February 11, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 Just now, matter2003 said: How is this any different than what owners and the NFLPA decided they didn't want to have when signing first overall picks and other high draft picks to humongous contracts and instituted a rookie cap? Because Garoppolo isn't a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Because Garoppolo isn't a rookie. He hasnt proven much yet either. The test is when NFL D coordinators have a body of work on him to game plan against. Until that point I'd never commit that type of money to a player. We've seen far more promising talents than him fall apart once that has happened. Edited February 11, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: He hasnt proven much yet either. The test is when NFL D coordinators have a body of work on him to game plan against. Until that point I'd never commit that type of money to a player. We've seen far more promising talents than him fall apart once that has happened. Hmmm I'd imagine the list of guys with a release as smooth and quick as Jimmy's is quite short. He is peanut butter jelly with the ball in his hand. Smoooooth. Just add milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, matter2003 said: He hasnt proven much yet either. The test is when NFL D coordinators have a body of work on him to game plan against. Until that point I'd never commit that type of money to a player. We've seen far more promising talents than him fall apart once that has happened. Name a QB who came in at that level to exhibit the physical and mental traits he's shown that every team is looking for who then went on to fail. Name the weaknesses or holes in his game that you expect DCs to exploit in order to limit his effectiveness. Edited February 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: I'm putting together the info for a thread about QB pay adjusted for higher cap increases. Some people are going to be shocked how much changes for QB pay due to the cap increase. One interesting contract is Ryan Tannehill's. It was redone from time still left on his rookie contract in 2015. He signed for an average of 19.25 million. Factoring in ONLY the increase percentage of the cap increase that same contract is now worth 24 million per year! I'm doing this for all active veteran QBs. Spoiler Alert: Rodgers contract signed in 2013 is worth an amazing number today. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 13 hours ago, matter2003 said: He hasnt proven much yet either. The test is when NFL D coordinators have a body of work on him to game plan against. Until that point I'd never commit that type of money to a player. We've seen far more promising talents than him fall apart once that has happened. As many have already pointed out, every top rookie QB draft pick got, essentially, "that type of money" with ZERO body of work---and we all accepted it as no big deal. Now a guy with clear skills and a coaching staff that is more convinced than you are of his value is getting paid a lot of money now so they don't have to pay him even more money next year when his value would certainly go even higher. WHy is this so hard for fans to understand? And would the average fan (who is not a fan of SF) even care what they are paying this guy? Makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 The asking price for any starting qb is high regardless. The question TBD is did they overpay like teams have for: Luck, Tannehill, Osweiller, Stafford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 3:30 PM, NewEraBills said: Cousins and his agent will probably try to get a similar deal if not more. It's out of our price range. Looking more and more like Taylor is an option as the bridge QB after all.. Why? QB market, get what you pay for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Cowherd....always the last one on the hype train. makes him come out with this kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/129168/breaking-down-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-with-the-49ers Breaking down the contract As is always the case in these situations, though, the numbers aren't quite as overwhelming as they seem at first glance. Garoppolo's deal comes with $74.1 million in guarantees, including those for injury. But the true guarantee at signing came out to $48.7 million, which falls well below other true guarantees such as the one given to Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford. Most of that is paid out over the first couple of years, leaving the 49ers flexibility moving forward. Not that earth shattering. Smoke and mirrors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/129168/breaking-down-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-with-the-49ers Breaking down the contract As is always the case in these situations, though, the numbers aren't quite as overwhelming as they seem at first glance. Garoppolo's deal comes with $74.1 million in guarantees, including those for injury. But the true guarantee at signing came out to $48.7 million, which falls well below other true guarantees such as the one given to Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford. Most of that is paid out over the first couple of years, leaving the 49ers flexibility moving forward. Not that earth shattering. Smoke and mirrors. It's an excellent contract. If he develops on what he has shown you have a potential top 5 or 6 QB tied up for the best years of his career. If he doesn't you can cut ties pretty easily after year 1 or 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It's an excellent contract. If he develops on what he has shown you have a potential top 5 or 6 QB tied up for the best years of his career. If he doesn't you can cut ties pretty easily after year 1 or 2. Broken down that way, yes. It is reasonable and not the risk the "injury" guarantee implies as a total guarantee. Also Broken down that way, it doesn't make a Cousins deal that crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 44 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/129168/breaking-down-jimmy-garoppolos-contract-with-the-49ers Breaking down the contract As is always the case in these situations, though, the numbers aren't quite as overwhelming as they seem at first glance. Garoppolo's deal comes with $74.1 million in guarantees, including those for injury. But the true guarantee at signing came out to $48.7 million, which falls well below other true guarantees such as the one given to Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford. Most of that is paid out over the first couple of years, leaving the 49ers flexibility moving forward. Not that earth shattering. Smoke and mirrors. as are most big contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just now, nucci said: as are most big contracts Correct. It the way the story broke. GIGO Garbage In Garbage Out. BREAKING NEWS $74Mil Guaranteed!!! Truth $48.7 Mil Guaranteed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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