Dadonkadonk Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 4 hours ago, dpberr said: Weasel. Owners won't forget that. Most including me thought like you until Mularkey and Marrone got HC jobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Ummmm....not the whole staff but you may want to start from the beginning. He hired several including a D C and there were reports he was making offers earlier today. Didn't realize that. That's a little more weird. I thought he simply thought over the offer, possibly even after acceptance, and had a change of heart. It's amateurish of him to let it get to the point where he was hiring staff and then back out, but I still understand it if he was given the same offer (HC when BB is gone) in Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Didn't realize that. That's a little more weird. I thought he simply thought over the offer, possibly even after acceptance, and had a change of heart. It's amateurish of him to let it get to the point where he was hiring staff and then back out, but I still understand it if he was given the same offer (HC when BB is gone) in Boston. Weird is the wrong word. Unprofessional is what you're looking for. Putting other people in a position like that is looooooow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 The only chance McDaniels ever gets another HC job now is as Bill's successor. I suspect he believes that will be imminent. It is a mistake in my opinion. Should have gone to the Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: Most including me thought like you until Mularkey and Marrone got HC jobs Mike Mularkey Time heals all wounds to a certain extent and it is true with Mularkey. I highly doubt he sees another one: 2006: Mularkey resigns, and joins the Saban Fiasco in Miami as OC and they are god awful on the offensive side of the ball. 2007: Mularkey stays on staff, but not as OC. Eventually demoted to TE coach by Cam Cameron. 2008-2011: Goes to ATL as OC and turns around their offense in his first year. 2012: 6 years since his last HC gig he takes over as Jags HC. Fired after the first year of his 3 year contract 2013-14 Takes TE coach position with Tennessee. 2015-2017: Mularkey takes over for a terrible Wisenhunt. Tennessee is mediocre with Marriota. Fired again. Doug Marrone Marrone after ditching the Bills, thinking he would be a highly touted HC prospect, settles for the OL coach of maybe the worst team in the league. Bradley is canned, which was years in the making. Coughlin retains him, and is probably the only guy in the league who would hire Marrone as HC at the time. Marrone is currently a product of timing and Coughlin. If not for that, I didn't really see him getting any HC jobs in the near future. Probably more treading water in the league for 5-7 years like Mularkey before getting a shot. Paying his dues. When Dareus talks about Marrone being a changed man, I don't doubt it. I would expect that his journey post Buffalo was incredibly humbling too him as a professional and as a man. Josh McDaniels People keep talking about McDaniel's bad time in Denver and what an a-hole he was there. He was also terrible as the OC with the Rams. Him being able to work/be buddies with Tom Brady has been the greatest thing to ever happen to him. I think TB is the real OC of that team, and Belichick controls everything. McDaniels has never ever stood on his own two feet with success. His resume: 1999: Grad assistant under Nick Saban 2000: Moves to Cleveland and works as a plastics salesman. (I sh*t you not) 2001: Patriots Personell Assistant. 2002-2003: Defensive Assistant 2004-2005: Patriots QB Coach. Before McDaniels took over, Brady had already been named Super Bowl MVP TWICE, while Josh was a defensive assistant 2006-2008: Assistant to the Offensive Coordinator (Tom Brady) 2009-2010: Denver-Lots of hot garbage 2011: Rams more hot Garbage 2012-today: Assistant to the Offensive Coordinator (Tom Brady) I think Indy dodged a bullet here, not just because McDaniels is a douche, but because I think he is really bad at his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I don't agree on Marrone Mango. He was always getting another job at some point. He had been a regular interviewee in the two years he was without a HC job. He made the last 2 in Chicago and the feeling there was he was the front runner for that job until John Fox unexpectedly got fired in Denver. Ultimately the Jacksonville opportunity was a great one with so many pieces already there on D but I don't believe it was the only way Marrone got another shot. His perception around the league never matched the perception in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't agree on Marrone Mango. He was always getting another job at some point. He had been a regular interviewee in the two years he was without a HC job. He made the last 2 in Chicago and the feeling there was he was the front runner for that job until John Fox unexpectedly got fired in Denver. Ultimately the Jacksonville opportunity was a great one with so many pieces already there on D but I don't believe it was the only way Marrone got another shot. His perception around the league never matched the perception in Buffalo. That is fair. I will consider fan bias regarding Marrone. Just let me keep hating him, it is still too fresh for me. I stand by the rest though. McDaniels sucks and Mularkey paid his dues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, dpberr said: Weasel. Owners won't forget that. They won't forget but it won't be a big deal for them. Assuming he doesn't stay many years in NE, the next guy who wants him will just demand a signed contract. I suspect other owners will understand well why he was concerned about going to Indy. Their ownership is not top-notch. 3 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: My read on this is that mcdaniels is more scared than anything else. He’s got a good thing going with brady. Probably still skittish about his prior failures. I suspect once brady retires, mcdaniels’ Star is going to plummet and he will have missed his window. Could be. Alternately, the owner may have promised him he'll succeed Belichick. Or at least be a leading candidate with an inside track. If he doesn't get hired there, I think he'll be hired somewhere else the first year. If not, though, yeah, a good chance we'll see a window effect. 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's really about the assistants IMO. He apparently got guys to uproot their families, move to Indianapolis, and start sweating, on their trust in his word that he was taking the gig. It's fair enough for McD to be leary of Irsay, but then keep his talks with assistants on the "if I do this...are you interested?" level, don't be definite to your men when you're still a waffle between the ears. That's not a leader. Fair point. But I still don't think he would have any trouble getting hired elsewhere even if he's not in NE for the long-term. Whoever hired him would just do a better job of saying, "This offer lasts XX hours. Sign the contract or we move on." Edited February 7, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 6 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: My read on this is that mcdaniels is more scared than anything else. He’s got a good thing going with brady. Probably still skittish about his prior failures. I suspect once brady retires, mcdaniels’ Star is going to plummet and he will have missed his window. The relationship between the New England Patriots and the Indianapolis Colts is still frosty, according to a report from ESPN's Adam Schefter. Patriots owner Robert Kraft wanted to stick it to the Colts by retaining offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. So even after the Colts had announced the hiring of McDaniels, Kraft intercepted McDaniels by sweetening his deal with New England. Deflategate, the source of Kraft's bitterness with the Colts, played a role in this strange turn of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'm starting to think Kraft may be in some way involved in organized crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Apologies if this has been stated already, asI have not read the entire thread. But damn, if one believes BB is football savant, and he put the full court press on to keep McDaniels but practically held the door for Patricia... Detriot fans must be like Rut Row!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 10 hours ago, dpberr said: Weasel. Owners won't forget that. neither will his children. for anyone who has moved middle school aged kids , i can assure you, his kids will thank him someday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said: Wrong. Never Cheated, bills=2 easy wins for pats this year. McDaniels is staying.. Belichick tooo and your hopes and dreams crushed Lmao...what a tool. The organization has been fined and otherwise penalized for cheating on more than one occasion. For "not" cheating I guess? Lmao. That organization is on its last leg imo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 hours ago, Cmdjr85 said: I encourage you all to go 1 full day without talking about the patriots If you are a Pats fan I encourage you to stay away for months 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, 8-8 Forever? said: neither will his children. for anyone who has moved middle school aged kids , i can assure you, his kids will thank him someday Sure the kids of the coaches he hired and have already moved to Indy are thankful for that!!! He gave his word, he backed out, that maybe the worst lesson you can EVER teach your children, and they will NOT thank him for that later 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Umm he had not resigned his position as Patriots OC and was still under contract. They as a business have every legal right to do whatever they can to retain their employee who is still under contract. Till he quits he is THEIR employee. This isn't even close to being a violation of contract law. For a good example say you get a offer letter from a new potential employer but before you quit your current owner gives you more money and you decide to stay. You tell your potential new employer you changed your mind and stay. No fraud, nonreprocutions.. it happens. But people get silly when it comes to sports thinking rules are different for them. (And no the CBA has nada do with this.. and the commish has very little power here.) Spoken like a Pats Fan. Collusion, tampering, cowardice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 You’d think he would have already signed a contract right? Would the colts file a grievance and even block his employment with the pats? Now that would make a fun offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Boy, the Colts are a real schittshow now, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Eagles 41 Patriots 33 How many diamonds should Jeff Lurie put into his SB rings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: You’d think he would have already signed a contract right? Would the colts file a grievance and even block his employment with the pats? Now that would make a fun offseason No, cant as per the rules in the NFL..cant sign a new contract till your current teams season is over. Hurts Superbowl assistants for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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