Jay_Fixit Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Most scouts and execs will admit that Rosen is the better QB today he also has great pocket presence and throws a great ball to all levels. He is more accurate than Darnold I love Darnold but he just led Division 1 in turnovers and can admit Rosen is better today I don’t think that’s true at all. Unless you can give me a poll that shows what scouts/execs think... He might “look the part” better (means nothing) but he’s nowhere near hands down better. Also, he is absolutely not more accurate than Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Disagree. I think the main reason the Bills traded down in last year's draft and traded Watkins and Darby was to accrue the ammunition to trade up in this draft for a QB. In terms of value (if you're going by one of those "charts") to get into the top 5 the Bills would have to give up 2 1sts this year (which we have) and 1 2nd (which we have 2 of). Isn't it worth going up and getting your future Franchise QB (assuming McBeane are that much in love with one of these guys) and being left with "only" 1 pick in the 2nd-4th rounds and 2 picks in the 5th? If this past season proved anything for me it's that coaching and system trumps talent but having that coach and system ALONG WITH a great QB can make you a serious contender for as long as those 3 things remain in tact. ...differing opinions make it all work here as it was intended to be........the draft was, is and forever will be a crap shoot.......Steve Young said it best (I've worn out his quote), "more collegiate QB's fail versus succeed at the NFL level because of the speed and complexity of the game"......better yet, surrender ing MAJOR draft capital does not come with a money back guarantee and fails to see the bigger picture of the significant holes this club has to fill.......just can't subscribe to putting all of my eggs "in the QB basket" and not taking care of numerous other porous spots......sure FA can be used to plug some, but to what effective extent?...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I don’t think that’s true at all. Unless you can give me a poll that shows what scouts/execs think... He might “look the part” better (means nothing) but he’s nowhere near hands down better. Also, he is absolutely not more accurate than Darnold. Maybe more accurate is a stretch but Darnold isn't way more accurate than Rosen. UCLA was top 10 in drops Darnold is more Big Ben and Rosen is more Goff/Matt Ryan.. but more arm talent than Matty Ice Inside the Pocket Rosen is hands down better right now... Darnold is better when he's creating .. every pac12 coach wanted to keep Darnold in the pocket... they didn't want him scrambling... he's a better athlete again Darnolds been my favorite QB since he redshirted ... I always liked him over Rosen i can objectively say he isn't as good of a pocket passer right now as Rosen ( Imo there is a difference between who I think will be a better pro/which is Darnold... and who is actually better Right this second... which is Rosen... Rosen is ready for the NFL... Darnold could've used 1 more year) i don't think Rosen is Elway... he is just ready to start in the league day 1 Edited January 24, 2018 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Haven’t heard any mention of AJ McCarron much on the board or on the radio. If he becomes a free agent I wouldn’t mind bringing him to battle with Peterman. Worse comes to worse you have a solid backup qb. Don’t think he’d break the bank, and has shown enough to rival the 2nd and 3rd qb prospects in this draft imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Big C said: I feel like you need another dot in the title. I agree. It's best to let the pieces fall into place rather than force it. For instance, if we don't trade up for JP Losman in 2004, we'd have been able to take Aaron Rodgers with the 20th pick in 2005. We can add a vet and/or, frankly, restructure Taylor one last time (hate all you want but I bet Daboll will be able to embrace Tyrod's skill set much better than Rico) and flesh out the roster with the extra picks instead. That is the route I'd like to go, personally. But if we trade up and we hit on the guy, I wouldn't be mad. It still hurts to read that sentence. What a bust he was. Sad that they traded up for that. Too bad they didn't trade up to get Roethlisberger. But I guess they weren't that ambitious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I get the sentiment. But I'd hate to pay a premium price for another disappointment. So many 1st round QBs fail to work out. What makes you so confident that Darnold is The Guy? I'd personally rather spend a lot of draft picks on a lot of players than package draft picks to move up. Have to pay a premium price to play. But to play you have to pay, can't join a hand of poker without posting the blind, right? Maybe there's a guy the decide they love, and want to ante up, so I say go for it. I'm tired of watching other teams win on a roll of the dice (yes, plenty lose too) while we sit around and don't even enter the game, and instead hope somebody drops that winning lottery ticket in the 4th or 5th round. I've been watching the Bills since I was 5 years old. That's 1988. We have drafted the following QBs in my lifetime: 1983 1 (14th) the immortal James Edward Kelly 1985 3 (57th) Frank f*cking Reich 1986 12 (313) Bruce McClure 1995 2 (45) Todd Collins 2004 1 (22) JP Losman *I just threw up in my mouth* 2007 3 (92) Trent Edwards 2010 7 (209) Levi Brown 2013 1 (16) EJ Manuel 2016 4 (139) Cardale Jones 2017 5 (171) Nasty Nate Peterman That entire list makes me want to cry. Even when we draft a QB they suck. I might just go drink myself to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, Codyny13 said: Haven’t heard any mention of AJ McCarron much on the board or on the radio. If he becomes a free agent I wouldn’t mind bringing him to battle with Peterman. Worse comes to worse you have a solid backup qb. Don’t think he’d break the bank, and has shown enough to rival the 2nd and 3rd qb prospects in this draft imo. Posters have brought this up. The result of his free agency will be decided the 15th of February. I'm sure if he is a FA there will be multiple AJ threads the 16th. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 hours ago, xRUSHx said: That bonus kills most of what your saying IMO. Can not spend that kind of money in a bonus wishing a team will want him for even a 5th let alone anything else IMO. I do agree that if they pay the bonus this team is stuck with him another season as the starter. Please get my barrel ready I am going over the falls if that happens because I lose all faith in this new staff. So you are saying they are better off doing what many GM/HCs do and try to win now, sadly that gets most of them fired and this team continuing the same long haul fall to the next record breaking of no playoff seasons IMO. This is a rare year where established QB's who aren't post 35 are available. I don't see the Bills acquiring a Cousins as a bad move. At 29 years old he has a good 7+ years left in him. This allows the team to continue to get younger and stronger in other areas through the draft, instead of trading a bunch of picks to draft 1 QB who, if he plays this year, won't be as good as Cousins and may never be that good. This isn't a case of sign a bunch of high priced free agents over 28. This is one position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, dezertbill said: This is a rare year where established QB's who aren't post 35 are available. I don't see the Bills acquiring a Cousins as a bad move. At 29 years old he has a good 7+ years left in him. This allows the team to continue to get younger and stronger in other areas through the draft, instead of trading a bunch of picks to draft 1 QB who, if he plays this year, won't be as good as Cousins and may never be that good. This isn't a case of sign a bunch of high priced free agents over 28. This is one position Stop it. Cousins is not signing in Buffalo. Like 0% chance. Complete fantasy. Not even sure why this continues to be a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: Stop it. Cousins is not signing in Buffalo. Like 0% chance. Complete fantasy. Not even sure why this continues to be a thing. Why wouldn't he? How many teams that made the playoffs this year that need a QB? I say teams like Denver, AZ, and Bills have to be the front runners. McD is the same type personality as Cousins. They would mesh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, dezertbill said: Why wouldn't he? How many teams that made the playoffs this year that need a QB? I say teams like Denver, AZ, and Bills have to be the front runners. McD is the same type personality as Cousins. They would mesh well. How are they they "same type of personality" Denver is the frontrunner. Then there is everyone else. Cousins wants a team without drama, who are ready to win. Denver is ready to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: How are they they "same type of personality" Denver is the frontrunner. Then there is everyone else. Cousins wants a team without drama, who are ready to win. Denver is ready to win. That makes zero sense. We had a better record this year than Denver. We made the playoffs, they didn't. How are they more ready to win than us? This sounds like a "no one would want to play with us" mentality. The old story that Buffalo is Siberia of the NFL. That narrative has changed, especially with McDermott. The Bills are an up and coming Franchise, and with the way we performed in 2017 any veteran QB knows if they come here they could help the team make a deep playoff run. I agree that Denver is also a team who is a veteran QB away from vastly improving. But I don't see how "drama" or the delusion that we are an inferior team has anything to do with that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) Yes you still draft a QB, how many years can we pass this position up? If our scouts are any good and our coaches are any good we'll select the right QB then coach him up properly. Edited January 25, 2018 by BuffaloBillsGospel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, dezertbill said: That makes zero sense. We had a better record this year than Denver. We made the playoffs, they didn't. How are they more ready to win than us? This sounds like a "no one would want to play with us" mentality. The old story that Buffalo is Siberia of the NFL. That narrative has changed, especially with McDermott. The Bills are an up and coming Franchise, and with the way we performed in 2017 any veteran QB knows if they come here they could help the team make a deep playoff run. I agree that Denver is also a team who is a veteran QB away from vastly improving. But I don't see how "drama" or the delusion that we are an inferior team has anything to do with that. Dever had the #1 defense for total yards given up They were basically #2 in every measurable defensive statistic other than PPG, which is mostly attributed to the fact that they had the second most offensive giveaways in the league, and their abysmal offense giving the opponents the ball back all game in good position. We were middle of the road defensively overall. Denver is a better team than us, with a worse QB situation. Give us cousins, we are a playoff team no doubt. Give Denver cousins they are probably #2 or #3 (with NE and Pitt) in the AFC, and top 5 in the league as Superbowl contenders. Sorry to burst your bubble, but one decent season with McDermott at the helm doesn't change the perception of two decades worth of ineptitude overnight. We are an inferior team to Denver I'm not sure what your are smoking to think otherwise, but I'd love to have some. We had a better record than the Packers, the raiders, and Cardinals. same record as the Seahawks, Ravens, and chargers. I would say they are all better than us. Record doesn't always mean a team is better. Injuries and schedule are factors that affect a team's record. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 13 hours ago, kdiggz said: If Rosen had Darnold's heart and leadership I would trade way the entire draft to get him. He's too flakey though. And Darnold isn't a sure thing although he's pretty close. If Darnold falls to 3 and Indy isn't greedy I think it would be a tough call. You would have to be sure this is your franchise QB for the next 10 yrs. If you are wrong you lose your job and set the team back 3 years in the process. The safe bet is to get a solid veteran and take someone at 21 like Rudolph who might be good. If not no big deal It is a big deal u can't continue to throw pks in the garbage. I don't care where they are. Yes u can go safe but that doesn't mean u will keep your job after 3yrs anyways. Basically most guys get fired nowadays after 2, 3 yrs the NFL is constantly churning guys in and out whether its players or front office & coaches and the ones that seem to keep there jobs are the teams that have that franchise saving QB. So its definitely an interesting Balance. At the end of the day i guess u got to be more lucky then good . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: I could see Taylor and another player or a draft pick being swapped for Smith. Why would KC do this? I though the whole trade Alex thing was due to them being in bad cap shape. Hotrod and Alex make about the same. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) On 1/23/2018 at 10:07 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I want the bills to trade up and get Darnold regardless. The only safe way to do that is to get to #1. I’m tired of settling for scraps here and hoping a draft goes a certain way. Go up and get the best guy for once. Not reach for some 4th round trash in round 1 like EJ. Actually get a good QB abd the best in a real class for once. Only 2 #1 overall selected QBs in the past 20 years with rings. It’s not the sure thing people want to contend it is Edited January 25, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Why would KC do this? I though the whole trade Alex thing was due to them being in bad cap shape. Hotrod and Alex make about the same. Because people like to make up predictions without any factual basis. 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Only 2 #1 overall selected QBs in the past 20 years with rings. It’s not the sure thing people want to contend it is First, elway (2), Eli (2), and Peyton (2) all won in the last 20 years, add Steve young (1) and aikman (3) if you babe it 22 (let's make it 25, rounder number and includes all 3 if aikmans wins, and to to give a better range less skewed by Brady) So that's 10 of 25 won by 5 guys, another 5 by Brady alone. A better number is #1 picks who started QB in super bowl (win or lose) because, frankly, that's a better number in my eyes, that just who won (since Brady has started 7 and won 5 not counting what happens this year) Aikman 3 Young 1 Bledsoe 1 Elway 2 Peyton 4 Eli 2 Cam Newton 1 Matt Ryan 1 Expanding to top 5 also adds: Steve McNair (1) #3 overall Kerry Collins (1) #5 overall Donovan McNabb (1) #2 overall (I can throw in Trent dilfer who was #6 overall, he also won) So in the last 25 years, there have been 50 starts, two guys each game, we've 8 guys #1 overall start a Superbowl, 15 times between them, 12 guys and 17 total starts of the 50 if you expand to top5 plus dilfer@6 So 17 out of 50 Superbowl starters were top5, 15 were #1 overall. I'm just saying. Top picks are a crapshoot always, but 1/3 the starters were top5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Hmmmm, I feel like I've seen this thread before.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 19 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: I get this. but the browns didn't really do anything to reach, like trade or waste a super early pick, for johnny kegstand. its not the greatest example of a team overreaching. The did trade up but only gave up a thrid to do it. It was an awful draft pick tho and anyone with google could have told you he wasn't mature enough to handle being a first round pick QBs taken after Johnny Football Bridgewater Carr Garroppolo McCarron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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