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9 minutes ago, K-9 said:

It’s not the lack of pro style offenses these college QBs run so much as it’s the lack of variety in the defenses they see on a week to week basis that makes them utterly incapable of readily being able to recognize and beat the array of pro defenses they see in the NFL. When a spread QB sees little more than quarters coverage every week, he’s just not gonna hit the ground running in the pro. 

 

And that’s before taking into considersation the sheer superiority of the athletes on the defenses they face in the NFL.

 

Yea agree with that. 

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55 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

From what I've seen, I concur.  Prescott seems to need a great run game to build off of.

 

So if it's not imposing by needing too much answer, what would you look for as a scout as clues that an "air raid" offense QB might transition readily to the pros as Goff (or Prescott) seem to have done?

 

I would look for poise in the pocket...

 

ball placement 

 

ability to make throws while being hit

 

ability to break down defensive coverages

 

smart decision maker...

 

and it's still a gamble if they pick up the NFL game

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3 hours ago, racketmaster said:

If I have a concern about Rudolph it is his arm strength. Would have liked to see him compete at Senior Bowl to see how the arm measures up.

 

Hopefully he will be able to participate at the combine and pro day. I think he will be there when the Bill's pick.

 

Drafttek has him rated the #2 QB though

 

https://www.drafttek.com/2018-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-QBs.asp

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5 hours ago, racketmaster said:

If I have a concern about Rudolph it is his arm strength. Would have liked to see him compete at Senior Bowl to see how the arm measures up.

 

There usually aren't many 6'4 230 lb QBs that have weak arms but he definitely doesn't have a howitzer 

 

I think it's good enough and it can get stronger 

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The college QB who comes from a pro type offense where the QB is expected to run through a series of checkdowns if receivers aren't open is an exception these days.  Teams have to make some educated guesses in many cases about whether or not a particular QB can transition to the NFL.  Sometimes they hit it, sometimes not.

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7 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

There usually aren't many 6'4 230 lb QBs that have weak arms but he definitely doesn't have a howitzer 

 

I think it's good enough and it can get stronger 

Watch his first throw in the Texas game this year. It is an out route to Washington on the  wide side of the field. There is a lot of air under the ball and it ends up barely reaching his wr. There is a lot to like about Rudolph but throws like this make me question what his upside is in the NFL. The combine and pro day will tell us more. 

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2 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

Watch his first throw in the Texas game this year. It is an out route to Washington on the  wide side of the field. There is a lot of air under the ball and it ends up barely reaching his wr. There is a lot to like about Rudolph but throws like this make me question what his upside is in the NFL. The combine and pro day will tell us more. 

 

I've seen that game and he has lofted some deep outs in his career

 

He definitely can work on his arm strength 

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8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Ive never really met many QB Gurus who didn't believe in weight / strength training 

 

Yeah pretty much, I always get a kick out of guys (on this Board) who claim that lifting is bad for QBs.

 

I always thought the tricep pullover would be a good exercise for QBs as this mimics the throwing motion.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Yeah pretty much, I always get a kick out of guys (on this Board) who claim that lifting is bad for QBs.

 

I always thought the tricep pullover would be a good exercise for QBs as this mimics the throwing motion.

 

 

 

Brady clearly was a workout warrior his whole career because he went from a 190lb skinny rookie...

 

to a full grown 230lb man you know today

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On 1/31/2018 at 1:30 AM, Buffalo716 said:

 

Ive never really met many QB Gurus who didn't believe in weight / strength training 

 

If you look at photos of some top QBs it's hard to believe they and the weight room aren't fairly well acquainted

 

 

On 1/31/2018 at 8:38 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

One of these days I plan on it.

 

Only if the library has it, I hope

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On ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 7:38 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

One of these days I plan on it.

 

 

Can't imagine wanting to read it.  If he was just trying to make money off book sales by writing an excellent book describing his philosophy and routines, I would read it.  As much as I despise the guy, what he's doing IS pretty incredible.

 

But the whole book is about selling his products.  Everything in it is going to have that slant and it would be impossible to separate reality from sales strategy.

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4 hours ago, Acantha said:

Can't imagine wanting to read it.  If he was just trying to make money off book sales by writing an excellent book describing his philosophy and routines, I would read it.  As much as I despise the guy, what he's doing IS pretty incredible.

 

But the whole book is about selling his products.  Everything in it is going to have that slant and it would be impossible to separate reality from sales strategy.

 

Didn't know that, I just assumed it was about his training and nutrition.

 

 

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I see a lot of mock drafts that pick the top 4 QB'S.  Why is Mason Rudolph NOT in the discussion more?  Am I missing something here?  His TD's, passer rating etc all look very good, his arm is big, he seems to fit the physical profile as well.  

 

Any thoughts on Bills grabbing him?  any red flags on the guy?

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4 hours ago, Bustersit said:

I see a lot of mock drafts that pick the top 4 QB'S.  Why is Mason Rudolph NOT in the discussion more?  Am I missing something here?  His TD's, passer rating etc all look very good, his arm is big, he seems to fit the physical profile as well.  

 

Any thoughts on Bills grabbing him?  any red flags on the guy?

 

He is not a bad Prospect... he comes from a full spread system and made easy reads and doesn't have as strong of an Arm as you'd like from a guy his size

 

he can develop but he should sit a while

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On 1/31/2018 at 2:38 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Yeah pretty much, I always get a kick out of guys (on this Board) who claim that lifting is bad for QBs.

 

I always thought the tricep pullover would be a good exercise for QBs as this mimics the throwing motion.

 

 

i would imagine that their lifting/strength training routine is different from other nfl position players. and i could see how you would want to be careful as not to gain too much mass and lose range of motion in the arm/shoulder. i would also think that core strength and mechanics have a lot to do with the arm strength/ball velocity. 

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On February 26, 2018 at 9:36 AM, Buffalo716 said:

 

He is not a bad Prospect... he comes from a full spread system and made easy reads and doesn't have as strong of an Arm as you'd like from a guy his size

 

he can develop but he should sit a while

 

I like Mason Rudolph but I don't think he has a strong enough arm to develop into a high end starter in the league. Do you think he has enough arm strength? I thought he had enough originally, but after watching a bunch of the other guys I am not sure he does. I have moved Mike White a head of him because White has NFL arm strength and accuracy. I also moved Josh Allen ahead of him recently, along with Lamar Jackson. 

 

Right now I have Rudolph battling with Falk as a third round QB prospect. 

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1 hour ago, billspro said:

 

I like Mason Rudolph but I don't think he has a strong enough arm to develop into a high end starter in the league. Do you think he has enough arm strength? I thought he had enough originally, but after watching a bunch of the other guys I am not sure he does. I have moved Mike White a head of him because White has NFL arm strength and accuracy. I also moved Josh Allen ahead of him recently, along with Lamar Jackson. 

 

Right now I have Rudolph battling with Falk as a third round QB prospect. 

 

I think he has good accuracy but the more I watch his arm strength definitely leaves some to be desired 

 

its not super weak and you can definitely improve it but it isn't where I'd like it right now

 

i think he will go second round , maybe early 3rd

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42 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I think he has good accuracy but the more I watch his arm strength definitely leaves some to be desired 

 

its not super weak and you can definitely improve it but it isn't where I'd like it right now

 

i think he will go second round , maybe early 3rd

 

It will be interesting to see how his arm compares to the other QBs at the combine, if it looks good he is an early second round pick for sure. 

 

Have you watched Logan Woodside at all? He is a really interesting mid to late round QB prospect imo.

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1 hour ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said:

Didn't read entire thread. Have you looked at Mike White? If so, how do compare his future to Rudolph's ? TY.

 

I have Lamar Jackson , and white left

 

I just finished Rosen pretty much so I will put his up asap 

 

Them Jackson and White round out my big 7... i haven't watched much white so I will take atleast 1 week to watch every snap

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57 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I have Lamar Jackson , and white left

 

I just finished Rosen pretty much so I will put his up asap 

 

Them Jackson and White round out my big 7... i haven't watched much white so I will take atleast 1 week to watch every snap

 

Thanks again!

On 1/23/2018 at 3:10 AM, GunnerBill said:

Does he understand and read defenses or does he just understand the Mike Gundy offense? I think missing the Senior Bowl hurts him much more from an interview perspective than it does from a working under center in front of teams perspective. 

 

I thought he attended the Senior Bowl for measurements and interviews? 

At least that was reported as his intent

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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I have Lamar Jackson , and white left

 

I just finished Rosen pretty much so I will put his up asap 

 

Them Jackson and White round out my big 7... i haven't watched much white so I will take atleast 1 week to watch every snap

Awesome! I look forward to those. 

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