Ramza86 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Nope nope nope nope nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 14 hours ago, H2o said: You're joking right? Cam can actually throw an accurate pass. Lamar? Not so much. His completion percentage isn't going to get better in the NFL. Why not? It's gotten better each year he's played. With actual coaching why couldn't it go up? Even if it stayed where it is, it's no different than Newton's is now. And Wentz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Why not? It's gotten better each year he's played. With actual coaching why couldn't it go up? Even if it stayed where it is, it's no different than Newton's is now. And Wentz. Have you seen Jackson play, I mean actually watched him? He is a project who's likely position will be other than QB in the NFL. He's a great athlete, but not a very good QB. He is a bigger, slightly faster version of Tyrod. He's too inaccurate to make it at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 How’s the weather in fantasyland? Christ where do these posters come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, H2o said: Have you seen Jackson play, I mean actually watched him? He is a project who's likely position will be other than QB in the NFL. He's a great athlete, but not a very good QB. He is a bigger, slightly faster version of Tyrod. He's too inaccurate to make it at the next level. I've seen him play. I also recall the exact same thing being said over and over a year ago about Watson and his "accuracy" problems (he was a 67% career passer!). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Let's just go for Rodgers and Antonio Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: I've seen him play. I also recall the exact same thing being said over and over a year ago about Watson and his "accuracy" problems (he was a 67% career passer!). https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/deshaun-watson-1.html https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-jackson-1.html Not even close. I have watched numerous games of both and Watson was a far better QB than Jackson has ever been. Edited January 16, 2018 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 hours ago, H2o said: Because he went from 54%, to 56%, to 59% against COLLEGE competition. Like I said, he couldn't even complete 60% of his passes at the college level. He's not going to get to the NFL, where everyone on defense is the better than he previously faced, and all of a sudden become a more accurate passer. He's not. It would be a huge mistake to draft him early. 4 hours ago, H2o said: Have you seen Jackson play, I mean actually watched him? He is a project who's likely position will be other than QB in the NFL. He's a great athlete, but not a very good QB. He is a bigger, slightly faster version of Tyrod. He's too inaccurate to make it at the next level. 1 hour ago, H2o said: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/deshaun-watson-1.html https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/lamar-jackson-1.html Not even close. I have watched numerous games of both and Watson was a far better QB than Jackson has ever been. Pro Football Focus seems to think otherwise. Jackson's completion pct. was adjusted by them due to numerous dropped passes by his receivers. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-2018-nfl-draft-qb-rankings-after-week-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 IMO Jackson may very well be the player who tops Beane's list. Beane was part of the braintrust that picked Cam. And Beane has pretty much told us that he wants to draft the guy who is simply the most talented, not the guy who happens to fit a particular coordinators scheme. Adjust the offence, not the player. A very strong argument can be made for saying that Jackson is the most talented player in this class. I'm pretty sure that Beane would not have supported drafting Cam unless he felt confident that he could develop into a QB who.could execute from the pocket, whatever else he might be able to do. I don't think he would draft Jackson unless he felt the same way about him. But Jackson has shown continuing improvement as a passer in each of his years at Louisville, while lacking a strong supporting class. His footwork needs improvement but with improved footwork should come better accuracy. He otherwise has a ton of arm talent. Jackson also ran a very complicated pro style offence under coach Petrino, requiring him to read defences and go through his progressions. He was completely in control of that offence. He is arguably much better prepared for the next level than a guy like Rudolph. To suggest that he is not a QB is ridiculous. He is and will continue to be a QB, not a wide receiver lol. There is a good chance he's at the top of Beane's wish list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, the skycap said: Pro Football Focus seems to think otherwise. Jackson's completion pct. was adjusted by them due to numerous dropped passes by his receivers. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-2018-nfl-draft-qb-rankings-after-week-14 Oh yes, PFF is like the New King James. He's not gonna make it as a QB in the NFL and God knows I pray at night we don't make the mistake of drafting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familykwi Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 What would it take to splinter the Stadium Wall to include a Stadium Void? Can we sub-divide ideas like these that have absolutely NO chance of being a discussion, let alone an action? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 I had to laugh when I saw the title, this is a bigger possibility then most Buffalo fans believe The Big concern in Carolina is Cam Newton is injury prone,non-motivated, and overpaid A trade is not impossible, there is that Carolina connection Cam Newton cancelled his Instagram account and any reference to the team Google it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, H2o said: Oh yes, PFF is like the New King James. He's not gonna make it as a QB in the NFL and God knows I pray at night we don't make the mistake of drafting him. Okay, we'll just use your references as gospel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Sure, then we can trade Hauschka for Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, and Clay Matthews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 2 hours ago, starrymessenger said: IMO Jackson may very well be the player who tops Beane's list. Beane was part of the braintrust that picked Cam. And Beane has pretty much told us that he wants to draft the guy who is simply the most talented, not the guy who happens to fit a particular coordinators scheme. Adjust the offence, not the player. A very strong argument can be made for saying that Jackson is the most talented player in this class. I'm pretty sure that Beane would not have supported drafting Cam unless he felt confident that he could develop into a QB who.could execute from the pocket, whatever else he might be able to do. I don't think he would draft Jackson unless he felt the same way about him. But Jackson has shown continuing improvement as a passer in each of his years at Louisville, while lacking a strong supporting class. His footwork needs improvement but with improved footwork should come better accuracy. He otherwise has a ton of arm talent. Jackson also ran a very complicated pro style offence under coach Petrino, requiring him to read defences and go through his progressions. He was completely in control of that offence. He is arguably much better prepared for the next level than a guy like Rudolph. To suggest that he is not a QB is ridiculous. He is and will continue to be a QB, not a wide receiver lol. There is a good chance he's at the top of Beane's wish list. It's nice to read a well informed post!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 hour ago, the skycap said: Okay, we'll just use your references as gospel I'm on record in numerous threads saying Jackson can't make it as a QB in the NFL my friend and I stand by it. His role will be as a Kordell Stewart type of player, but he is a better athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Carolina is gonna dump him in a few years anyway. Might as well see if they'd do it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 14 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I agree, if we want to see passes flying over their target we should just keep Taylor not take his clone. Jackson is not a Tyrod clone. He can stand in the pocket deliver strikes from different angles, he flicks his wrist and throws darts to any part of the field. Oh and by the way he just so happpens to be the most dynamic running quarterback ever. He will be more than okay, and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he turned out to be the QB they end up going after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Earmark this thread for the annual end of year awards. Such a gem and we aren't halfway through January. Op displaying quite the football acumen and ability to think logically. I honestly think that there should be a test before being able to start a thread. Smh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 9:54 PM, the skycap said: Why do this when Cam 2.0 is in upcoming draft? Lamar Jackson is just as dynamic as Cam Newton except that he is 20 lbs lighter and comes with less baggage. Actually he's more like 35-40 pounds lighter which is an enormous difference. Cam is a truck and Jackson is a thin mint. Not saying he can't be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 While I don't see it as a possibility, anybody who wouldn't trade the farm for CAM NEWTON is a fu--- .... wouldn't be a good GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 53 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Actually he's more like 35-40 pounds lighter which is an enormous difference. Cam is a truck and Jackson is a thin mint. Not saying he can't be good As a runner he is more explosive than Cam ever was. He increased his bulk this past year over 2016. He needs to pack on another 15lbs. At 6'3" 230 he will be fine. A lot of that will come from his frame naturally filling out as he ages, then he will also be on a S&C program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 9:54 PM, the skycap said: Why do this when Cam 2.0 is in upcoming draft? Lamar Jackson is just as dynamic as Cam Newton except that he is 20 lbs lighter and comes with less baggage. I am thinking Lamar is a revamped version of Tyrod. More turnoverbut will make more plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 10:08 PM, PIZ said: Seems like Jackson would be a good QB for Dabolls offense. The guy is electric. Imagine Jackson, Shady, and a guy like Bo Scarborough in the Buffalo snow. Thats exactly why I may have changed my qb preference. Still early for me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 9:54 PM, the skycap said: Why do this when Cam 2.0 is in upcoming draft? Lamar Jackson is just as dynamic as Cam Newton except that he is 20 lbs lighter and comes with less baggage. Lamar Jackson is actually a slower and an inch taller Tyrod Taylor. One big difference is that Lamar has been a turnover machine at times. Watched him the past two years (I live in the Louisville area) and as a passer, he is inaccurate and woefully lacking .. Andre Ware II. Avoid!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 On 1/15/2018 at 8:46 PM, jtothebrown said: 1 of or 1st, 1 of or second, our 2019 first and Tyrod and Glenn for Cam Newton. Anyone think that Carolina would take that for Cam? "1 of or 1st" / "1 of or second" what do those things even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BigDingus said: "1 of or 1st" / "1 of or second" what do those things even mean? One of our 2 first round picks and One of our 2 second round picks, I'd imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Spiderweb said: Lamar Jackson is actually a slower and an inch taller Tyrod Taylor. One big difference is that Lamar has been a turnover machine at times. Watched him the past two years (I live in the Louisville area) and as a passer, he is inaccurate and woefully lacking .. Andre Ware II. Avoid!!! Jackson has clocked a 4.34 40. Tyrod ran 4.51 at the combine. Cam ran a 4.56. Tyrod is 6'1". Jackson is 6'3". (College measurement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtothebrown Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 37 minutes ago, BigDingus said: "1 of or 1st" / "1 of or second" what do those things even mean? 1 of our first round picks, 1 of our second round. Wr have 2 of each! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 6 hours ago, starrymessenger said: As a runner he is more explosive than Cam ever was. He increased his bulk this past year over 2016. He needs to pack on another 15lbs. At 6'3" 230 he will be fine. A lot of that will come from his frame naturally filling out as he ages, then he will also be on a S&C program. Never said he wasn't a better runner. He's just a lot smaller and can't take the hits that Cam does when he runs. He will need to add that weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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