The Doug Marrone Coaching Tree: Hop on board!

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Marrone coaching tree LOL that's a good one man, thanks for the laughs brother.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Shouldn't it be "climb"?  You hop into ponds, hop onto trams...climb trees, or maybe grab a limb?

 

Personally I think steel is a good way to cut down trees....here's wishing the Stillers a great blade to saw off that tree

Edited January 13, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[GoBills808]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Schwartz already used fast linebackers before he worked under Marrone though...

Yes but Schwartz used fast linebackers even before pairing with Marrone.  You can't give Marrone credit for that

It's true. But I think it's also relevant that Marrone's year at Cortland State in 1992 as tight ends coach was the first year Schwartz was given a lot of control at NC Central as LB coach...prior to that he had only served as a graduate assistant. IMO that's the genesis of Marrone's influence (and the first branch if you will of his coaching tree) on Schwartz's defensive philosophies: his one year coaching D3 tight ends. 

[BringBackFergy]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's true. But I think it's also relevant that Marrone's year at Cortland State in 1992 as tight ends coach was the first year Schwartz was given a lot of control at NC Central as LB coach...prior to that he had only served as a graduate assistant. IMO that's the genesis of Marrone's influence (and the first branch if you will of his coaching tree) on Schwartz's defensive philosophies: his one year coaching D3 tight ends. 

I see you have likewise dug into Marrone’s history. Thanks. Nice to see someone who understands the widespread influence of Marrone’s coaching philosophy. 

[The Now Moment]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's true. But I think it's also relevant that Marrone's year at Cortland State in 1992 as tight ends coach was the first year Schwartz was given a lot of control at NC Central as LB coach...prior to that he had only served as a graduate assistant. IMO that's the genesis of Marrone's influence (and the first branch if you will of his coaching tree) on Schwartz's defensive philosophies: his one year coaching D3 tight ends. 

I'm aware, I just disagree that that was where the philosophy started.  Difference in opinion, carry on.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I see you have likewise dug into Marrone’s history. Thanks. Nice to see someone who understands the widespread influence of Marrone’s coaching philosophy. 

It's almost prerequisite considering how much of the modern game he's responsible for.

[BillsFan4]

Geez Fergy... this must be your least subtle attempt at a sarcasm/joke/troll thread yet (that I've seen anyway).  I think you're getting a little lazy dude. 

 

Yet there are still people that are somehow taking this thread seriously.

So, props man.... credit where credit is due! lol

 

Ill admit, I've fell for one or two of your threads in the past. But at least it was much more subtle than this one is, and I was much newer at the time. lol 

[BringBackFergy]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

Geez Fergy... this must be your least subtle attempt at a sarcasm/joke/troll thread yet (that I've seen anyway).  I think you're getting a little lazy dude. 

 

Yet there are still people that are somehow taking this thread seriously.

So, props man.... credit where credit is due! lol

 

Ill admit, I've fell for one or two of your threads in the past. But at least it was much more subtle than this one is, and I was much newer at the time. lol 

No joke. 

The Bills are done for the year. 

The Jags are still playing. 

Hackett is still calling plays. 

Enough said. I’ll have some of what Marrone is serving. The tree is getting stronger. Watch it grow. 

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Marrone coaching tree LOL that's a good one man, thanks for the laughs brother.

Would you be more serious and less LOL if it was a shrubbery instead?

[BringBackFergy]

12 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Would you be more serious and less LOL if it was a shrubbery instead?

You raise a valid point. Guys here think a coaching tree can only be a massive, towering oak. The Marrone Coaching tree is similar to a banyon tree...not really tall or well known, but the roots run far and is considered one of the strongest rooted trees in the world (elephants were typically chained to a banyon tree to train them for work). Marrone’s banyon coaching tree reaches far and many have trained under his canopy. The funny thing is...his tree is still growing. Hackett is one of those branches and I see no reason to overlook him as an OC candidate (what tree did Bevell, Chud or McCoy come from?? Some rotted old recycled barn wood)

Edited January 13, 2018 by BringBackFergy

[The Now Moment]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

You raise a valid point. Guys here think a coaching tree can only be a massive, towering oak. The Marrone Coaching tree is similar to a banyon tree...not really tall or well known, but the roots run far and is considered one of the strongest rooted trees in the world (elephants were typically chained to a banyon tree to train them for work). Marrone’s banyon coaching tree reaches far and many have trained under his canopy. The funny thing is...his tree is still growing. Hackett is one of those branches and I see no reason to overlook him as an OC candidate (what tree did Bevell, Chud or McCoy come from?? Some rotted old recycled barn wood)

Not every coach needs to have some great tree.  I still disagree about the branches you say are on Marrone's tree and yes, I do know his history.  Some coaches just earn their stripes.  Rob Chud is one of the best offensive coordinators in the game and highly regarded around the league.  I wouldn't be trashing his name too much.  He even took a cleveland offense to incredible heights in one year as head coach there.  

[BringBackFergy]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Not every coach needs to have some great tree.  I still disagree about the branches you say are on Marrone's tree and yes, I do know his history.  Some coaches just earn their stripes.  Rob Chud is one of the best offensive coordinators in the game and highly regarded around the league.  I wouldn't be trashing his name too much.  He even took a cleveland offense to incredible heights in one year as head coach there.  

Are you warning me against trashing Chud’s name? I did no such thing. In fact, your failure to acknowledge Marrone’s tree (given his 9-7 season here and his continued playoff success with Jags) is an obvious slap. Beware. 

[Cripple Creek]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Not every coach needs to have some great tree.  I still disagree about the branches you say are on Marrone's tree and yes, I do know his history.  Some coaches just earn their stripes.  Rob Chud is one of the best offensive coordinators in the game and highly regarded around the league.  I wouldn't be trashing his name too much.  He even took a cleveland offense to incredible heights in one year as head coach there.  

Your assertion that we are not influenced by those we work with is patently false.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

14 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Marrone coaching tree LOL that's a good one man, thanks for the laughs brother.

[MAJBobby]

17 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I guess you don’t understand simple plant/tree/vine grafting. Look it up. You take an existing branch/stem, root it in water, allow it to grow like your grandma did with geraniums in her front window, then plant it with older/mature plants and a new crop grows with different genetic markers and attractive characteristics. You’re looking at this as if Bill Walsh’s coaching tree is a sum certain....wrong. Marrone’s coaching tree branches off with rooted plants, grafted vines and transplants that take off. 

 

Sean Payton was nothing more than a “throw at all costs” coach until he watched how Marrone operated an offense. Guess what Payton did? Went out and obtained two of the most efficient runners in the NFL. 

 

Tom Coughlin was a cast off...a pirrahna and suddenly found a home in Jax with who? Marrone. Guess what? Marrone called the shots on the field with guys like Nate Hackett overseeing the offense. Why would you laugh at taking a small sample of Marrone’s tree and letting it grow into a strong mainstay of our own for years to come. I’ll never understand why we can’t have the successes of other teams until I read some of these responses. 

 

Play it how you want. There is ZERO Tree

[SouthNYfan]

1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

You forgot to pour on gasoline and light it on fire

[BullBuchanan]

On 1/12/2018 at 11:36 AM, BringBackFergy said:

Any coach or front office guy that Marrone has worked with this year or in the past belongs on the tree...can't pick and choose which branches are real...they all grow from his roots.

 

That's not the way that works - at all. Not even a little bit. Coaches only get credit for guys they brought into the league or gave a first real chance to that stuck around for multiple years and learned their system.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Would you be more serious and less LOL if it was a shrubbery instead?

 

Only if you send the Knights who say Ni to demand it

[CoachT]

I'm pretty sure OP is being sarcastic. But say what you want about Marrone and Hackett, but they have won with guys like EJ, Orton, Bottles, Tuel, and don't forget Thaddeus..

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

You forgot to pour on gasoline and light it on fire

 

Banyan tree - a/k/a Marrone Tree. Strongest root system, weathers the toughest storms, many branches. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, CoachT said:

I'm pretty sure OP is being sarcastic. But say what you want about Marrone and Hackett, but they have won with guys like EJ, Orton, Bottles, Tuel, and don't forget Thaddeus..

How can one be sarcastic and still make the same argument you made. I guess you are being sarcastic? Or maybe, just maybe, Marrone really does have a coaching tree that others on here are unable to appreciate.

[CoachT]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

 

Banyan tree - a/k/a Marrone Tree. Strongest root system, weathers the toughest storms, many branches. 

 

 

How can one be sarcastic and still make the same argument you made. I guess you are being sarcastic? Or maybe, just maybe, Marrone really does have a coaching tree that others on here are unable to appreciate.

No I'm not. There is no tree, at least not one mentioning. He doesn't get credit for Coughlin, Payton.....

 

I'm just saying Marrone keeps winning without an elite QB.

[SouthNYfan]

15 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

 

Banyan tree - a/k/a Marrone Tree. Strongest root system, weathers the toughest storms, many branches. 

 

 

How can one be sarcastic and still make the same argument you made. I guess you are being sarcastic? Or maybe, just maybe, Marrone really does have a coaching tree that others on here are unable to appreciate.

 

Um.

Where is his coaching tree impressive??

 

He worked UNDER Sean Payton, so it's not like he taught Payton how to coach.

Bradley was already the Seahawks DC before he worked under marrone.

Coughlin was already a long established coach before marrone worked for him.

 

I'm not seeing why all the love for marrone.

 

Is he a bad coach? No.

Is he elite? Don't think so.

[The Now Moment]

3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Your assertion that we are not influenced by those we work with is patently false.

Since Schwartz used fast linebackers before working under Marrone, I simply can't give Marrone credit for that.  I know Marrone's history and Schwartz's history, I can't give Marrone credit for Schwartz's success.

[The Now Moment]

4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Are you warning me against trashing Chud’s name? I did no such thing. In fact, your failure to acknowledge Marrone’s tree (given his 9-7 season here and his continued playoff success with Jags) is an obvious slap. Beware. 

Nope I'm not warning you my good sir, I'm simplying pointing out how successful Chud's been. 

 

Marrone has been a solid coach but I am not giving him credit for Schwartz's success.  I know where both originated.  Marrone was a tight ends coach 3 years in his entire career and is mostly known for his offensive lineman coaching.  I find it very hard to give him any credit for Schwartz's success as a defensive coach, especially his linebacker play.  Schwartz was around before Marrone ever was and rose up the ranks before him.  I disagree with your sentiment that Marrone had anything to do with influencing Schwartz's linebackers way back in 1992.  They were at low level colleges and weren't even the coordinators or HC of those teams.  They didn't choose what players were on the team, they played with the talent they had and built from there.  I just cannot give Marrone any credit for anything Schwartz has accomplished through his almost 30 year career.  Schwartz worked years with defensive minds and somehow I'm supposed to give Marrone credit for Schwartz's success/scheme type, sorry man.  

[BringBackFergy]

57 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said:

Nope I'm not warning you my good sir, I'm simplying pointing out how successful Chud's been. 

 

Marrone has been a solid coach but I am not giving him credit for Schwartz's success.  I know where both originated.  Marrone was a tight ends coach 3 years in his entire career and is mostly known for his offensive lineman coaching.  I find it very hard to give him any credit for Schwartz's success as a defensive coach, especially his linebacker play.  Schwartz was around before Marrone ever was and rose up the ranks before him.  I disagree with your sentiment that Marrone had anything to do with influencing Schwartz's linebackers way back in 1992.  They were at low level colleges and weren't even the coordinators or HC of those teams.  They didn't choose what players were on the team, they played with the talent they had and built from there.  I just cannot give Marrone any credit for anything Schwartz has accomplished through his almost 30 year career.  Schwartz worked years with defensive minds and somehow I'm supposed to give Marrone credit for Schwartz's success/scheme type, sorry man.  

I think the problem with your opinion (and SouthNYFan above) is you fail to realize how Marrone affected others he worked with. Like the guy CrippledCreek said above, we learn from those we work with. Schwartz was a mediocre coach until Marrone brought him in and showed him “how to implement a plan”. Look at Payton - he won a SB but never had a power run game until he incorporated some of Marrone’s run blocking schemes. I just think Marrone’s coaching tree is going through a growth spurt and it makes sense to delve further into what makes him tick...namely, the middle trunk called “Hackett”. 

[Cripple Creek]

13 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I think the problem with your opinion (and SouthNYFan above) is you fail to realize how Marrone affected others he worked with. Like the guy CrippledCreek said above, we learn from those we work with. Schwartz was a mediocre coach until Marrone brought him in and showed him “how to implement a plan”. Look at Payton - he won a SB but never had a power run game until he incorporated some of Marrone’s run blocking schemes. I just think Marrone’s coaching tree is going through a growth spurt and it makes sense to delve further into what makes him tick...namely, the middle trunk called “Hackett”. 

If Jacksonville wins this weekend are you willing to wait until the week between the championships to talk to Nate?Seems risky. 

[BringBackFergy]

15 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

If Jacksonville wins this weekend are you willing to wait until the week between the championships to talk to Nate?Seems risky. 

I’m more of a risk taker and others might disagree, but if I was Beane I’d text Hackett now (before the game) and simply say “Hey Nate. Good luck this weekend. Doug seems to have turned the corner. Wanna do the same in Buffalo?”  You may not have known this but Hackett started in Bflo as an equipment manager. So I’m sure he would want to get back. With his history and local ties ( not to mention Marrone tree genetics), why not? 

[Gugny]

When Marrone got fired from Buffalo, that was his chance to cut all ties with Nate Hackett.

 

However ... three years later, he gets another chance to be a HC - one of 32 of said jobs in the world - and chooses who as his OC?  Nate Hackett.

 

Marrone cannot be stupid enough (which is clear, since he's led his team to, for all intense and purposes, the AFC Championship game) to eff up a 2nd chance - which most NFL HCs don't get - by laying his neck on the line for an OC.

 

I said it when he was in Buffalo and I'll say it again - Nate Hackett is an excellent OC and he'll be a HC by 2020.

[SouthNYfan]

2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I think the problem with your opinion (and SouthNYFan above) is you fail to realize how Marrone affected others he worked with. Like the guy CrippledCreek said above, we learn from those we work with. Schwartz was a mediocre coach until Marrone brought him in and showed him “how to implement a plan”. Look at Payton - he won a SB but never had a power run game until he incorporated some of Marrone’s run blocking schemes. I just think Marrone’s coaching tree is going through a growth spurt and it makes sense to delve further into what makes him tick...namely, the middle trunk called “Hackett”. 

 Payton won the Superbowl in 2009

Marrone was oc 2006-2008

Your assertion that he "won a Superbowl but never had a power run game until he incorporated marrones zone blocking" makes no sense

Why would they not use his system when he was the OC there for 3 years prior?

 

[3rdand12]

21 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

I see you have likewise dug into Marrone’s history. Thanks. Nice to see someone who understands the widespread influence of Marrone’s coaching philosophy. 

I think i am finally coming around to your way of thinking.
when we open our minds, nearly anything can become real.
Consider me inspired.
and thank you. Means alot to me.
 I will have to watch closely how Marrones comes to influence the NFL over time. Game changing philosophy.

 cool fact and spoiler alert.

McBeanes are all over this trending.  ready to hang ten on the Curve towards heavy running and fast LBs.
I am quite sure bringing in Tolbert was a signal of his own branding ,a way of saying hello to  The League.
 

 Give it Time

 

 again thanks BBF for revealing to us all, another insight inspiring , and thought provoking read 

 

[SouthNYfan]

By the way, I don't think marrone is a bad coach at all (just a dbag)

My point is that, while I agree that co-workers influence each other, let's not give marrone more credit than he deserves.

Schwartz ran multiple top tier defenses with the Titans prior to working under Doug.

Sean payton is far more successful than marrone has been offensively, and I would argue that more of Payton rubbed off on marrone than the other way around.

 

 

(I'll also throw my hat in for Hackett, I think he's a good choice, and as I said, marrone is a good coach, I'm just not willing to give him all the credit some are)

 

Edited January 13, 2018 by SouthNYfan

[3rdand12]

20 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Would you be more serious and less LOL if it was a shrubbery instead?

It would have to be a proper shrubbery.

then yes, I would.

[stevewin]

On 1/12/2018 at 1:09 PM, Freddie's Dead said:

Putting Schwartz on the Maroon coaching "tree" is a huge insult to Schwartz.

It's an insult to trees (big lumbering miserable ones)

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

 

Banyan tree - a/k/a Marrone Tree. Strongest root system, weathers the toughest storms, many branches. 

 

 

How can one be sarcastic and still make the same argument you made. I guess you are being sarcastic? Or maybe, just maybe, Marrone really does have a coaching tree that others on here are unable to appreciate.

Steely Dan wrote a song speaking of a Banyan Tree.

 I believe it was ingrained in the Album  Aja. pretty deep stuff. don't discount this effort to have us take fresh look at Marrones

[Cripple Creek]

2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

It would have to be a proper shrubbery.

then yes, I would.

Proper?

[BringBackFergy]

37 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Proper?

Not  sure you’re taking this serious. But to play along with you, this maze seems to demonstrate how intricate the root system is in the Marrone  coaching ecosytem. Thanks for the illustration. 

[mead107]

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Edited January 14, 2018 by mead107

[Cripple Creek]

14 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Not  sure you’re taking this serious. But to play along with you, this maze seems to demonstrate how intricate the root system is in the Marrone  coaching ecosytem. Thanks for the illustration. 

Don't you know what a shrubbery is?  OK, I'll try to paint you a picture.  A tree is vertical, see? It goes up into the air. A shrubbery is horizontal. Think of a shrubbery as a grounded tree.  If that doesn't work for you can you envision an octopus plant? A shrubbery is like that, tentacles everywhere. 

[Ol Dirty B]

I don't think this guy understands the term.

 

Sean Payton employed Marrone, he's not on his coaching tree. And did you in an odd way say Todd Bowles and Tom Coughlin were on his tree?

 

Anyways, you could have just asked what do people think of bringing in Hackett and you'll get a resounding, no.

[BringBackFergy]

11 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

I don't think this guy understands the term.

 

Sean Payton employed Marrone, he's not on his coaching tree. And did you in an odd way say Todd Bowles and Tom Coughlin were on his tree?

 

Anyways, you could have just asked what do people think of bringing in Hackett and you'll get a resounding, no.

I think I understand how things GROW...do you?? That’s the idea with trees. Let them get strong and take root. But with this one (Marrone’s) you have to realize the potential before it gets too large. Harvest the proginy (Hackett) now before it becomes overpriced.