MJS Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Doc said: By the time he actually threw the ball, the receivers were better covered. This. Not to mention the actual number of attempts is very low for Tyrod. Also, he doesn't throw to WR's much. He throws to big TE's who don't get a lot of separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, HappyDays said: So Tyrod's passing windows were smaller than every QB in the league? That busts one myth. Part of the seperation is the QB anticipating the route and throwing on time. If a QB waits for the WR to break open there will be less seperation. Part of it is our WRs. I don't think this stat says a whole lot about anything though. Edited January 11, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Stats are for losers, what were they with Kelly, Reed, lofton and beebe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) How in the hell do you measure seperation... Basically some football junkie watched every pass by every QB and recorded their perceived amount of spereration??? I chalk this particular run of stats as one mans perception.. Not saying we don't have this issue but this is the 1st time I ever heard of someone rate WR separation at the time of catch. then the 6 page debate that follows some hear say stat.. kind of silly Edited January 11, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: How in the hell do you measure seperation... Basically some football junkie watched every pass by every QB and recorded their perceived amount of spereration??? I chalk this particular run of stats as one mans perception.. Not saying we don't have this issue but this is the 1st time I ever heard of someone rate WR separation at the time of catch. then the 6 page debate that follows some hear say stat.. kind of silly Incorrect. The method was already explained earlier in the thread and it's not a measurement at the catch. Edited January 11, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 New England, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia are all in the bottom 10. I guess this shows what a QB can do for you. On the other hand, it does reflect poorly on the weak WR corps. It will make any QB’s job more difficult, but I welcome watching a new one take on that challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 34 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Stats are for losers, what were they with Kelly, Reed, lofton and beebe These stats didn't exist back then. Others did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Incorrect. The method was already explained earlier in the thread and it's not a measurement at the catch. Could you link up the explanation on how it’s measured? On my phone and skimmed through fast but didn’t see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 35 minutes ago, Helpmenow said: Stats are for losers, what were they with Kelly, Reed, lofton and beebe These advanced stats didn’t exist back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Incorrect. The method was already explained earlier in the thread and it's not a measurement at the catch. alright measurement at release.. Still a very silly thing IMO What I find weird is somehow we need a stat like this to tell everyone here what we already know.. We need to upgrade the QB and WR situation.. 90% of the posters are already on this train... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 43 minutes ago, ddaryl said: alright measurement at release.. Still a very silly thing IMO What I find weird is somehow we need a stat like this to tell everyone here what we already know.. We need to upgrade the QB and WR situation.. 90% of the posters are already on this train... ALL ABOARD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 yards of separation is a lot in the NFL. This stat is pretty pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: 2 yards of separation is a lot in the NFL. This stat is pretty pointless. I agree it's pretty useless. Quaterback rolls right, throws ball out of bounds as he approaches the sidelines. CB on left side of field stops running with WR once quaterback is undoubtedly heading out of bounds or throwing away. So that counts as 10-20 yards seperation on certain plays. Chiefs led the league? My guess is they held their routes longer than most WR groups. Sammy has a low seperation rate, is that because he doesn't separate or because he doesn't "run out" dead plays or plays he won't be thrown to? Bad stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Could it be because defenses squeezed down inside of a 10 yard box knowing that's where he throws too and he kept trying to throw darts at guys that were blanketed in coverage instead of the guy running wide open 15 yards down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 hours ago, PolishDave said: That was just explained. It was measuring all the receivers on the field at the time the ball was thrown. In other words, the entire receiving unit as a whole on average. Not just the targeted receiver. So on average, play after play, game after game over the season, the Bills receivers got less separation than other teams. In fact, worst in the league at getting and/or staying open. As some people accused them of being. That wasn't explained. The question was about how do you know the ball was thrown at the correct time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, Joe Miner said: That wasn't explained. The question was about how do you know the ball was thrown at the correct time? That's not what the stat measures nor tries to measure. Take from it what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 KC's # looks very much like an outlier and the Bills may be too. When you look at individual players (A. Brown 2.6, Goodwin 2.2, etc) not sure there is much to be learned from any of these numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, PolishDave said: That's not what the stat measures nor tries to measure. Take from it what you will. Continue making assessments from an out of context number. You're doing great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Joe Miner said: Continue making assessments from an out of context number. You're doing great. Not sure what you mean. I didn't invent the stat. Merely commenting on what it suggests. I don't think it is a great stat either. I think it is pretty weak and definitely too vague to prove anything decisively - as almost every single stat is. It is just fun to discuss things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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