Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Maybe I did. I said what I said and meant what I said. The Defense improved over last season. The Offense ..... the jury is still out. No, actually its in - I see pluses and minuses. more heave on the minus side. Buffalo vs NE 2017 .... H 3-23 (ouch it hurts to type that) and A 16-37 [I nailed the game score prediction on the nose for NE*] Buffalo vs NE 2016 .... A 16-0 (w/o Brady and injured 3rd stringer) and H 25-41 Improved Defense and poorer Offense. 3 points AT HOME!!!! well I totally agree the defense improved a bit and the offense has regressed. but I refuse to nit pick games and base my arguments off such small sample sizes to support agendas, so I cant really ever take you too seriously. as you do it quite a bit... have a nice day. Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Agenda? OK jm2009 Junior Who's agenda? The Taylorites or the Anti Taylor crowd? He is what he is. Not great enough!!! He is supposed to be improving nor regressing. Watch a replay of both NE games where Romo makes the paly by play commentary. He says exactly what I have said about TT. Also listen to how he comments on Nate when TT was benched. So who shall i believe? You or Tony Romo? Edited January 2, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Hemet said: Look at what we have been playing with on offense the majority of the year Our 2nd round rookie had the yips Mathews could not stay healthy and was not effective when he was We didnt get Kelvin till later in the year The OL has had problems with pass protection all year Tolbert? I really dont even need to say anything past that.....Cadet comes in and is instantly better when tells you something about our running back stable Clay has been injured Tyrod has done more with less than i have seen in a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Agenda? OK jm2009 Junior Who's agenda? The Taylorites or the Anti Taylor crowd? He is what he is. Not great enough!!! He is supposed to be improving nor regressing. you literally said the other day got ticked when you saw the thread title that said "taylor is a playoff qb" and yet you don't put yourself in that group? honestly dude..... since the mid season troubles I would consider you and maybe 2 or 3 others the ring leaders.... you gotta take a step back and look in the mirror man. your takes on taylor are downright obnoxious at points. you grasp onto the smallest most awful details in your arguments against him. its bad. and you're right. he needs to be improving. he's not. that's why i'm fine with trying to find another qb IF IT MAKES SENSE. and even if by some fat chance he wins this week and they retain him I STILL want a qb early in the draft and will be very upset if it doesn't happen. the problem with you is he's not nearly as bad as you argue and that's why you and a couple others always reference a handful of games and that's about it. Edited January 2, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 What if TT is playing well through 20 minutes and then gets injured....and Peterman comes in, throws 2 TD's and leads the team to round 2. It's sports. no one knows how anything will turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 33 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: No it is not John. See my last post D was better, O was worse The Head Coach and the guys he brought in alone improved this team. Tentative Taylor regressed where it matters most - Red Zone and points on the board. 14 spots lower 2016 Red Zone TD scoring Rank 7 64.81% 2017 Red Zone TD scoring Rank 21 52.27% Now go ahead Taylorites and blame the OC & HC. The same OC & HC that improved 3rd down conversions! And TT was a part of the team that improved 3rd down conversions? And its weak because of the "recycled" In fact it is not recycled because the TEAM improved its record and made the playoffs this year. It is amazing how some try so hard to separate the starting quarterback away from the team itself and dissect him to death......he was in fact good enough to QB his team to the playoffs 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Agenda? OK jm2009 Junior Who's agenda? The Taylorites or the Anti Taylor crowd? He is what he is. Not great enough!!! He is supposed to be improving nor regressing. Watch a replay of both NE games where Romo makes the paly by play commentary. He says exactly what I have said about TT. Also listen to how he comments on Nate when TT was benched. So who shall i believe? You or Tony Romo? I thought Tony Romo did an excellent job as a commentator breaking games down so that the common fan can understand what is going on and look forward to hearing him in the future. That said.....Romo is not always right and you should not be basing your opinions on what commentator's are saying. Also.....New England games? We are basing things on when we play one of the best teams in the league? I believe in a high bar but jesus christ Shady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I am not trying to convince anyone of anything.. which is unlike the Taylorites who are trying to convert people Stop trying to convince us and the Anti TT comments will diminish Yes John, TT was a part of the team that improved 3rd down conversions yet he's failed to produce where it counts. Why is that so hard to understand? His hesitation to throw a guy open (while being covered) in the RZ has hurt the team. They all won't be WIDE open like O'Leary was Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Qb needs an upgrade for the long-term success of the team. This ought to be evident, but apparently it is not to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 12 hours ago, John from Hemet said: Obviously we move onto the patriots to get drubbed again.....but my question is how upset would people be if the bills sat down......gave serious thought to the fact that TT was the qb on the team that made the playoffs.....and advanced past the wild card. I personally think we should still draft a qb high.....but the picks are in the 20's so I think the top 3 qbs (whoever that is at this point) are probably not within our reach unless we trade up. We have so many picks in this next draft If we beat the Jags, and mark me down as believing we will, we will go to NE and likely lose. However, I do think the NE game is winnable, but I think the odds are quite low. So assuming your scenario...we beat Jags and lose to NE, I think there are a few more things that come into play about TT's future outside just beating the Jags. If we beat the Jags, its likely TT was a big part of it considering McCoy is likely out or playing less than 100% and TT will have to make a decent impact for us to win. But...its going to be how TT plays in NE even in defeat. If he goes into NE and throws for like 150 yards and 1 or no scores, then I think the FO is going to still focus on an upgrade at QB as one of the highest priorities in the draft, including a possible move up. But if we go to NE and TT goes out and puts up 250+ yards and a couple TD's in a loss...well thats going to change some things. I think if he has a solid to good game, even in defeat then the FO might look at this team and see how bad the OL is, how bad the LB and DL is, and weak the WR group was most the season and realize they could be 10-6 with all those issues and TT as the QB on the season had they not benched him in SD. They still take a QB in the draft no matter what, but may elect to not make any expensive trade ups and grab a guy that falls to us somewhere in the first 3 rounds they like. Then prioritize the OL, LB, and DL in the draft. I do think we will beat the Jags, and I suspect we will make the NE game competitive in the first half, then watch BB/Brady adjust and pull away in the 2nd like they always do. But if we can force some turnovers in NE, I do think we can upset them...but since our front 7 is struggling to get pressure, I dont think its likely we force Tom to make too many mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Hemet said: Sorry Bobby....that is just a weak answer. The difference in the recycled answer's is in this particular year they did in fact make the playoffs. It is not a weak argument. 3 years he has started the Bills have been a horrible passing offense. They enter the playoffs with a blistering -57 point differential dispite all the TOs the top end defense has provided. So the run game slipped from top in the league to 6th in the league hmmmm did the QB pick his game up no. Some would also say he has regressed. 1 hour ago, manbeast said: They will bring in competition but Tyrod will be on this team next year. I actually think he might be secretly mad about it. Yeah if TT is on this Team i wont be secretly mad. I will be flat out PISSED. He has regressed every year he has started but his supporters kee using the same recycled excuses to defend that regression. So YES i will be pissed that they brought him back let him hit the market and sign him to 6M when once again his agent and him see there is not a market for a QB that leads a horrible passing offense again like last year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 To answer the thread title and quote an infamous coach " we're off to New England"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, the skycap said: To answer the thread title and quote an infamous coach " we're off on to New England"!! Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 I would just like to point out that TT got outplayed by FALES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I would just like to point out that TT got outplayed by FALES Did he get pantzed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strethor Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 If TT beats the Jaguars and then beats the Patriots in NE he can come back if not we need to put a rookie out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I would just like to point out that TT got outplayed by FALES I would just like to point out you're delusional, or perhaps just trolling........ Tyrod Taylor : 19-27, 70.3%, 204 yards, 7.6 ypa, 1 Td, 0 Int, 74.1 QBR, 104.6 Passer Rating 6 runs, 35 yards, 5.8 ypr David Fales : 29-42, 69%, 265 yards, 6.3 ypa, 1Td, 1 Int, 17.0 QBA, 83.9 Passer Rating 4 runs, 8 yards, 2 ypr. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, grb said: I would just like to point out you're delusional, or perhaps just trolling........ Tyrod Taylor : 19-27, 70.3%, 204 yards, 7.6 ypa, 1 Td, 0 Int, 74.1 QBR, 104.6 Passer Rating 6 runs, 35 yards, 5.8 ypr David Fales : 29-42, 69%, 265 yards, 6.3 ypa, 1Td, 1 Int, 17.0 QBA, 83.9 Passer Rating 4 runs, 8 yards, 2 ypr. Those passing yards doh 8 minutes ago, Strethor said: If TT beats the Jaguars and then beats the Patriots in NE he can come back if not we need to put a rookie out there. That bar is set extremely high sir.....we expect Tyrod is not beating anyone by himself Only about 5 qbs in the league have the ability to "beat another team" We dont and probably will not have one of those QBs Im not saying we should not try to find that qb......I am saying that the bills mgt might take a look at the fact they pushed deep into the playoffs with TT at qb and reevaluate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Those passing yards doh That bar is set extremely high sir.....we expect Tyrod is not beating anyone by himself Only about 5 qbs in the league have the ability to "beat another team" We dont and probably will not have one of those QBs Im not saying we should not try to find that qb......I am saying that the bills mgt might take a look at the fact they pushed deep into the playoffs with TT at qb and reevaluate 3 years of tape > 1 game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 2, 2018 Author Share Posted January 2, 2018 Just now, jmc12290 said: 3 years of tape > 1 game. Lets call it for what it is.....making the playoffs after 17 years AND one game....a extremely important game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: Lets call it for what it is.....making the playoffs after 17 years AND one game....a extremely important game. if Dalton didn't complete that single pass, we would not reevaluate. So no, it's just one game. As I said, 3 years of tape > 1 game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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