Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, JoeF said: Thanks, Don. These are really fun reads...fiction or non-fiction makes no difference to me. If you are a kick-butt insider than thanks for posting this stuff. If you are a fiction writer, I am enjoying it anyway! Joe push your believe button 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Dunkirk Don said: Not in Buffalo OK, TBDers - start listing your guesses. I haven't lived in WNY for many, many years, so I'm not one to speculate. What's going on in the east suburbs/exurbs? Any good redevelopment prospects? It'd have to be on the Thruway or nearby if the "entertainment complex" is part of the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 Any questions for my source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I will say, having driven to medina plenty of times that there is a ton of open space between Batavia and Buffalo. This would be my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Dunkirk Don said: Any questions for my source I appreciate any info you post here regardless of what some people say. I am sure a lot feel the same way. Thank you for all of this and thank you for continuing to post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner68 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said: Any questions for my source Don, my guesses are the new STAMP plant being built by the state in the Town of Alabama or an area further south by Darien Lake. Am I correct with either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 Close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner68 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, Dunkirk Don said: Close It must the in Batavia Downs casino area, as Thurman Thomas is heavily involved with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Pembroke...they've got a real nice reststop 90 Eastbound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: I will say, having driven to medina plenty of times that there is a ton of open space between Batavia and Buffalo. This would be my guess What's going on near Darien Lake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Dunkirk Don said: Close Please no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 I need to get to sleep. Will have more tomorrow. Former bills are part of an investment group. What bills have a restaurant in Buffalo now. They recently bought 10 acres paid pennies for the land. Watch the news announcement of new restaurant and shopping center will be announced in next two months. They will make more money in this venture then they did playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Dunkirk Don said: The property around the stadium will be hot property for hotels bars, restaurants etc. I am currently a low level investor in an investment group that is working on a big land deal so I cannot share location but if you check public records on transaction it will lead you there. My percentage is small but very lucrative. We are going after parking. No up keep and money generator year round There are several kind of crappy gin mills and a half way decent restaurant and zero hotels by the existing stadium. Why is a new one going to attract all these new hotels, bars, restaurants and etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Please no Why not? A lot more accessible for Rochester. If the Bills and their "small market" are going to survive, they've got to draw a larger metro market than just Buffalo. Toronto concepts are always intriguing, but that damned intl border makes it too difficult. We need a true EU style Canada-USA border, but until we have that, it ain't gonna work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, The Frankish Reich said: Why not? A lot more accessible for Rochester. If the Bills and their "small market" are going to survive, they've got to draw a larger metro market than just Buffalo. Toronto concepts are always intriguing, but that damned intl border makes it too difficult. We need a true EU style Canada-USA border, but until we have that, it ain't gonna work. It'd be a longer drive for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 10 hours ago, John from Hemet said: Will people stop attacking everyone that says they have a source? For christ sake guys Thank you!!! Now that we have that squared away, I have a confession- I have a source... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, EmotionallyUnstable said: It'd be a longer drive for me Ahh... i see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, PolishDave said: There are several kind of crappy gin mills and a half way decent restaurant and zero hotels by the existing stadium. Why is a new one going to attract all these new hotels, bars, restaurants and etc.? I questioned that earlier, then I thought more about the Braves stadium. They built the new stuff as a year round attraction that just happens to be used on game day. That didn’t exist near the old stadium. If it happens as part of a master plan and it’s close enough to a sufficient population base, it can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Augie said: I questioned that earlier, then I thought more about the Braves stadium. They built the new stuff as a year round attraction that just happens to be used on game day. That didn’t exist near the old stadium. If it happens as part of a master plan and it’s close enough to a sufficient population base, it can work. Atlanta is a much larger city though. No? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Seems to me it would make sense at the site of the old Thruway mall which is currently being demolished it appears. That would be a place close enough to heavy population that could support a conglomerate of new restaurants, bars, clubs and hotels. And it would still be in Erie County -a county with enough money - close enough to not deter Canadians - and slightly more attractive to people traveling from Rochester area. Pembroke - too desolate for restaurants/bars and in Genesee county which could not even afford to build the road infrastructure for such a project. Edited December 14, 2017 by PolishDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, PolishDave said: Atlanta is a much larger city though. No? ABSOLUTELY, but it wouldn’t have to be on that kind of scale to be successful. It all depends on the location and how they execute. It could be it’s own destination if done properly. (For the record, in ATL it’s VERY close to the intersection of I-75 and the beltway - easy to get to for a lot of people.) Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Thanks Don! I love your posts! This sounds like Alex Smith or Travis Kelce to me. Wouldn't mind Tyler Bray either. "Smoke starting in Kansas City. Source says teams are talking regarding player and draft picks." Edited December 14, 2017 by PIZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 it would be completely idiotic to build a stadium in the middle of nowhere. you think they would really do it outside of Erie county like some are suggesting? that's tax dollars the area wouldn't get. Buffalo real estate is booming and a stadium downtown or on the east side of the city would continue that development and do a lot of good for the city Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: it would be completely idiotic to build a stadium in the middle of nowhere. you think they would really do it outside of Erie county like some are suggesting? that's tax dollars the area wouldn't get. Buffalo real estate is booming and a stadium downtown or on the east side of the city would continue that development and do a lot of good for the city They could purchase most of the East side for next to nothing. Perhaps they already have. Then level it - Heck a lot of it already has been razed. Entrances off both the 190 and 33. Would make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, PolishDave said: They could purchase most of the East side for next to nothing. Perhaps they already have. Then level it - Heck a lot of it already has been razed. Entrances off both the 190 and 33. Would make sense. Yes that would make sense. A lot of people including the OP saying that it won't even be in Buffalo and some are eluding to Genesee county which makes zero sense. If it's not going to be downtown then put it on the east side and build that area into something useful instead of the squalor that it's in But it should definitely be in the city of Buffalo. If not then I think they are making a big mistake and it will be a giant missed opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, kdiggz said: it would be completely idiotic to build a stadium in the middle of nowhere. you think they would really do it outside of Erie county like some are suggesting? that's tax dollars the area wouldn't get. Buffalo real estate is booming and a stadium downtown or on the east side of the city would continue that development and do a lot of good for the city There are areas here around Cbus that would have been considered “nowhere” 10-15 years ago and are now home to major shopping/dining/entertainment areas. Not saying that’s what’s happening up there, just that a lot of times the vision isn’t the easiest to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner68 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 This is going to turn out like the Richfield Coliseum in the boonies of Cleveland did..a big fat mistake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: Yes that would make sense. A lot of people including the OP saying that it won't even be in Buffalo and some are eluding to Genesee county which makes zero sense. If it's not going to be downtown then put it on the east side and build that area into something useful instead of the squalor that it's in But it should definitely be in the city of Buffalo. If not then I think they are making a big mistake and it will be a giant missed opportunity Cheektowaga area or borderline Cheektowaga/city line makes a lot of sense. Most populous and most central suburb. Galleria mall is already the most successful commerce magnet in WNY. And its for a reason - mostly location. If I was a commercial real estate developer, I would think that area holds the highest likelihood of success for this type of project. And it is close enough to the city/downtown for entire area to benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Dunkirk Don said: That is possible the state pays for the roads but no state money for the stadium that is why the tax free incentive was chosen. Some of the brass recommended downtown but pegula did not want it there. Cost, traffic and tailgating were huge negatives. You keep saying traffic. However a stadium in or near Batavia has extremely limited access in and out. How would it be better there when there is one toll booth open to get in and out of Batavia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said: There are areas here around Cbus that would have been considered “nowhere” 10-15 years ago and are now home to major shopping/dining/entertainment areas. Not saying that’s what’s happening up there, just that a lot of times the vision isn’t the easiest to see. Isn't Columbus also a massive city compared to Buffalo? I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Who will be parking in your lot "year round"? Won't the new stadium be competing with the old stadium for the very few events that need a stadium sized venue when they come to Buffalo? Or is the County, which just put even more money into "the Ralph" going to detonate the old stadium? Detroit style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner68 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, PolishDave said: Cheektowaga area or borderline Cheektowaga/city line makes a lot of sense. Most populous and most central suburb. Galleria mall is already the most successful commerce magnet in WNY. And its for a reason - mostly location. If I was a commercial real estate developer, I would think that area holds the highest likelihood of success for this type of project. And it is close enough to the city/downtown for entire area to benefit. Yes but find me 1000s of availible undeveloped acres on Cheektowaga. There aren’t many sites like that left in the immediate burbs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, PIZ said: Thanks Don! I love your posts! This sounds like Alex Smith or Travis Kelce to me. Wouldn't mind Tyler Bray either. "Smoke starting in Kansas City. Source says teams are talking regarding player and draft picks." Alex Smith makes sense. Andy Reid is probably ready to start the Mahomes era. My guess is Kelce stays in KC; too valuable a target for Mahomes. If we get Alex Smith, that will allow McDermott and Beane to draft a QB, though I suspect they won't spend a lot of draft capital to do so. Too many other holes to fill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, MarkAF43 said: You keep saying traffic. However a stadium in or near Batavia has extremely limited access in and out. How would it be better there when there is one toll booth open to get in and out of Batavia? Lol, poor Cindy working that 1 toll booth for the past 20 years. They better give her a raise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I wish I knew the current WNY better. I’ve been gone a loooong time. I spent a long time in real estate and with the right resources, I’d love the puzzle of trying to figure this out. This is too important to mess up! They are far smarter than I will ever be (the bank accounts prove that!) so we’ll have to wait and hope for the best. The one thing I know for sure? Some people will be pleased, and some will be mighty ticked off when it gets announced. Well, they should have put down their $1.4 BILLION plus the stadium money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkAF43 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, kdiggz said: Lol, poor Cindy working that 1 toll booth for the past 20 years. They better give her a raise Lol but seriously. I don't see how it makes sense. I can't imagine with all the Pegulas are investing in Buffalo and right near Key bank center that they're going to move the Bills stadium to Genessee county. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: Lol, poor Cindy working that 1 toll booth for the past 20 years. They better give her a raise HAHAHAHAHA... I think I had to bang on the window the last time I came through to wake her up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner68 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Just now, MarkAF43 said: Lol but seriously. I don't see how it makes sense. I can't imagine with all the Pegulas are investing in Buffalo and right near Key bank center that they're going to move the Bills stadium to Genessee county. It so idiotic that it make sense. With all the good they’ve done, isn’t it time for a massive Buffalo screw up? Edited December 14, 2017 by runner68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, runner68 said: Yes but find me 1000s of availible undeveloped acres on Cheektowaga. There aren’t many sites like that left in the immediate burbs. Why would you need 1,000's of undeveloped acres? Stadiums don't take many acres at all. Do you know how large an acre is? The massive Dallas stadium is on 80 acres. Thruway mall site is big enough for stadium itself I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runner68 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Why would you need 1,000's of undeveloped acres? Stadiums don't take many acres at all. Do you know how large an acre is? The massive Dallas stadium is on 80 acres. Thruway mall site is big enough for stadium itself I believe. I get it but you need a ton of land for what the want to do with the shopping plaza and destination that Dunkirk Don talked about. Sure a stadium could fit at the Thruway mall, but do you really think they would stick a building like that smack dab in the middle of an already congested area filled with big box stores and residential areas? I don’t think it would be wise to do that... Edited December 14, 2017 by runner68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 How many acres in total would be required to accommodate an NFL stadium and the parking? This can’t be totally out in the middle of nowhere....again. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts