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Ryan Shazier update - spinal surgery

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16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

But you as a fan have this entitled opinion of screw em because they make so much money and remove all humanity for what they put on the line to ENTERTAIN you.  Yes they get paid well, but ONLY when they stay healthy and the teams honor their contracts.  

 

Honestly lost some respect for you on your reply.  Players deserve more from the fans...

 

Let's not pretend that the players do what they do out of some altruistic virtue to entertain fans. Different players have different motivating factors,  but it all comes down to some variation of a risk/reward analysis that they have done in their mind.  I'm willing to bet that a huge checkmark in the reward column for 99 percent of players is the monetary aspect. And,  that's fine.  But,  with the reward comes the risk. These guys are highly paid entertainers.  They aren't necessary for society to function.  His situation sucks,  and as a human being I recognize that aspect of it. I also understand that these same injuries (and more) happen to people in their vocations where the monetary reimbursement isn't nearly the same,  the level of medical care is much less,  and there is no media to bring light to it. 

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13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

First of all, you aren't not remotely close to what I stated.  If you read what I wrote, it was based on a comment in ANOTHER thread where I stated that while we are IN the hunt for a playoff spot, the coaches owe it to the veterans to put the team out on the field with the best chance to win.  It was about which QB to start.  I stated that if they feel NP gives them best chance, it should be him...if TT is that guy, it should be him.  And I said they owe to the vets who go out every game, every week, every season even when futile to win to keep striving what was beat into them all offseason and year...make the playoffs.

 

People responded that the players are owed nothing.  And quite frankly that is total bull**** thing to say, and honestly your whole rant here, even as off topic and inaccurate it is of a reply to what I said is also another self entitled fan bunch of BS.

 

I swear, fans make me sick with how they coldly view players at times.  They think because players make more money then them that they are deserving no respect for what they do for a living.  You think football isn't that dangerous?  Then you are a fool.  Sure, there are professions that have higher risk of fatality, but football as a sport is incredibly violent and players are hurt badly every week and many end their careers with life altering pain, issues, and now brain damage.  

 

But you as a fan have this entitled opinion of screw em because they make so much money and remove all humanity for what they put on the line to ENTERTAIN you.  Yes they get paid well, but ONLY when they stay healthy and the teams honor their contracts.  

 

Honestly lost some respect for you on your reply.  Players deserve more from the fans...

 

Well said, Alphadawg7.   :thumbsup:  

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12 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

 

Let's not pretend that the players do what they do out of some altruistic virtue to entertain fans. Different players have different motivating factors,  but it all comes down to some variation of a risk/reward analysis that they have done in their mind.  I'm willing to bet that a huge checkmark in the reward column for 99 percent of players is the monetary aspect. And,  that's fine.  But,  with the reward comes the risk. These guys are highly paid entertainers.  They aren't necessary for society to function.  His situation sucks,  and as a human being I recognize that aspect of it. I also understand that these same injuries (and more) happen to people in their vocations where the monetary reimbursement isn't nearly the same,  the level of medical care is much less,  and there is no media to bring light to it. 

 

I think you are missing what my point was, and I hear what you are saying, and don't really disagree with you.  Except you are kidding yourself if you think players only play for the money.  To make it at the NFL level you need to LOVE this game to a level most people don't understand.

 

My point came about as a COACH owing it to the players that you DEMAND everything form every week to go out and try and win this next game.  Those players put their safety, health, etc at risk for the benefit of the team.  And if they don't, they won't keep their job.  So this stemmed from the question of which QB start, again why I keep referencing the other thread originating my irritation on how players are viewed.  All Shazier is in this convo is an example of what they risk every play.  

 

My response is that while we are competing still for a playoff spot, the coaches owe it to those vets who play hurt, work hard, battle every week for the team, coaches and players to field the best team this week to keep their playoff goal alive.  Thats where this came from.  

 

Why irritated me was all the "players are owed nothing" comments and how they are so dehumanized in the eyes of some fans just because they can make a lot of money.  

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On 12/5/2017 at 9:59 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

I have a spinal contusion from a football injury in ‘85. While I eventually walked out of Crouse-Irving in Syracuse (with 2canes and a halo), I have numbness in all four limbs to this day. C-3/C-4 contusion. 

Yes, I consider myself lucky.

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I don't think he'll play again, I knew he wouldn't as soon as I heard it was a spinal injury, that never ends good. He'll likely be in chronic pain for the rest of his life, very sad. He was playing for a new contract, it's unfortunate he did not cash in before getting hurt, I hope the NFL compensates him handsomely.

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7 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I have a spinal contusion from a football injury in ‘85. While I eventually walked out of Crouse-Irving in Syracuse (with 2canes and a halo), I have numbness in all four limbs to this day. C-3/C-4 contusion. 

Yes, I consider myself lucky.

Crazy! Thanks for sharing

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Meanwhile Gronk tries to decaptiate a defenseless and unaware player and gets a ONE GAME suspension.  Shazier is fighting for his life.  Shame on Gronk and the NFL for only giving him a one game suspension.  His attack should’ve gotten him multiple games if not the season.  What a cowardly league and patriot Tight end.  Disgusting 

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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

First of all, you aren't not remotely close to what I stated.  If you read what I wrote, it was based on a comment in ANOTHER thread where I stated that while we are IN the hunt for a playoff spot, the coaches owe it to the veterans to put the team out on the field with the best chance to win.  It was about which QB to start.  I stated that if they feel NP gives them best chance, it should be him...if TT is that guy, it should be him.  And I said they owe to the vets who go out every game, every week, every season even when futile to win to keep striving what was beat into them all offseason and year...make the playoffs.

 

People responded that the players are owed nothing.  And quite frankly that is total bull**** thing to say, and honestly your whole rant here, even as off topic and inaccurate it is of a reply to what I said is also another self entitled fan bunch of BS.

 

I swear, fans make me sick with how they coldly view players at times.  They think because players make more money then them that they are deserving no respect for what they do for a living.  You think football isn't that dangerous?  Then you are a fool.  Sure, there are professions that have higher risk of fatality, but football as a sport is incredibly violent and players are hurt badly every week and many end their careers with life altering pain, issues, and now brain damage.  

 

But you as a fan have this entitled opinion of screw em because they make so much money and remove all humanity for what they put on the line to ENTERTAIN you.  Yes they get paid well, but ONLY when they stay healthy and the teams honor their contracts.  

 

Honestly lost some respect for you on your reply.  Players deserve more from the fans...

Hi. I work in the most dangerous profession ever!  I can judge.  

 

In the past 2 mos...

I've about had fingers ripped off by shearing wire.

Been thrown 12' in the air by a bored bull

Been kicked a dozen times trimming donkey hooves.

Been rushed by angry Mama's as I work their calves. Including stomped. Kicked.  Head butted. 

I've fallen 30' down a ravine, end over end and had my head cut open.

Fallen from a few trees

Sore backs, twisted an ankle, beaten up.

 

I've bled. I've bruised. I've been beaten down.  Yeah, I'll judge some candy ass playing a sport. And I won't B word about what i do because while itsy job, I love what i do.

 

They know what they sign up for and so do I.  I am not entitled as a fan. I could not care less about a player off the field most of the time but I respect the **** out of what most of them do.

 

But, you don't have to thank me. Just remember when you eat your next meal that you're thanking me already. 

 

I win.  Bon appetite

32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think you are missing what my point was, and I hear what you are saying, and don't really disagree with you.  Except you are kidding yourself if you think players only play for the money.  To make it at the NFL level you need to LOVE this game to a level most people don't understand.

 

My point came about as a COACH owing it to the players that you DEMAND everything form every week to go out and try and win this next game.  Those players put their safety, health, etc at risk for the benefit of the team.  And if they don't, they won't keep their job.  So this stemmed from the question of which QB start, again why I keep referencing the other thread originating my irritation on how players are viewed.  All Shazier is in this convo is an example of what they risk every play.  

 

My response is that while we are competing still for a playoff spot, the coaches owe it to those vets who play hurt, work hard, battle every week for the team, coaches and players to field the best team this week to keep their playoff goal alive.  Thats where this came from.  

 

Why irritated me was all the "players are owed nothing" comments and how they are so dehumanized in the eyes of some fans just because they can make a lot of money.  

The bag guy at the A&P is owed something, too.  

 

The drug dealer on the corner just tryin' to make some money to feed his daughter,
and all the niggas in the struggle, you know what I'm sayin'? Is owed something

 

The Harvard educated lawyer making $200k in central New York representing drunks is owed something.

 

The Fireman who lost his wife and now works to support his kids, Eric and Tori, while forgetting to sign up for benefits is owed something, too

Everyone is owed something. 

 

#Participationtrophiesforall

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My nextdoor neighbor is a decent neighbor (let's his grass get a little long) but apparently a very good neurosurgeon. He is also from Pittsburgh and a huge Steelers fan.

 

I spoke to him tonight and just judging by reports he is not optimistic that RS will ever play again. 

 

I hope the guy can recover and live a full and happy life even if it's not in football. 

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1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Meanwhile Gronk tries to decaptiate a defenseless and unaware player and gets a ONE GAME suspension.  Shazier is fighting for his life.  Shame on Gronk and the NFL for only giving him a one game suspension.  His attack should’ve gotten him multiple games if not the season.  What a cowardly league and patriot Tight end.  Disgusting 

 

 

Ya it was disappointing and the league is like it's okay he didn't break his neck. What if the next guy is like it will only he 1 game and his victim is paralyzed because of an idiot then they will lay the hammer down.

 

Gronk deserved more he's been clean but doesn't make up for the clear shot he took

 

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2 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Hi. I work in the most dangerous profession ever!  I can judge.  

 

In the past 2 mos...

I've about had fingers ripped off by shearing wire.

Been thrown 12' in the air by a bored bull

Been kicked a dozen times trimming donkey hooves.

Been rushed by angry Mama's as I work their calves. Including stomped. Kicked.  Head butted. 

I've fallen 30' down a ravine, end over end and had my head cut open.

Fallen from a few trees

Sore backs, twisted an ankle, beaten up.

 

I've bled. I've bruised. I've been beaten down.  Yeah, I'll judge some candy ass playing a sport. And I won't B word about what i do because while itsy job, I love what i do.

 

They know what they sign up for and so do I.  I am not entitled as a fan. I could not care less about a player off the field most of the time but I respect the **** out of what most of them do.

 

But, you don't have to thank me. Just remember when you eat your next meal that you're thanking me already. 

 

I win.  Bon appetite

The bag guy at the A&P is owed something, too.  

 

The drug dealer on the corner just tryin' to make some money to feed his daughter,
and all the niggas in the struggle, you know what I'm sayin'? Is owed something

 

The Harvard educated lawyer making $200k in central New York representing drunks is owed something.

 

The Fireman who lost his wife and now works to support his kids, Eric and Tori, while forgetting to sign up for benefits is owed something, too

Everyone is owed something. 

 

#Participationtrophiesforall

 

lmao at this response...none of anything you wrote has anything remotely to do with the topic at hand.  This quite honestly one of the worst replies I have seen in a while to something.  So you are right, I guess you win that.  #Congrats

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2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I have a spinal contusion from a football injury in ‘85. While I eventually walked out of Crouse-Irving in Syracuse (with 2canes and a halo), I have numbness in all four limbs to this day. C-3/C-4 contusion. 

Yes, I consider myself lucky.

 

Holy ****, dude.  How old were you?  That must have been a horrible, scary experience.

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1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

lmao at this response...none of anything you wrote has anything remotely to do with the topic at hand.  This quite honestly one of the worst replies I have seen in a while to something.  So you are right, I guess you win that.  #Congrats

No I'm just literally focusing on what you said, that these players have a right to anything more than the contract allows them. They don't they're dancing little Showgirls for us and they get paid a king's ransom for it. The only difference is they don't show us their titties

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1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Meanwhile Gronk tries to decaptiate a defenseless and unaware player and gets a ONE GAME suspension.  Shazier is fighting for his life.  Shame on Gronk and the NFL for only giving him a one game suspension.  His attack should’ve gotten him multiple games if not the season.  What a cowardly league and patriot Tight end.  Disgusting 

 

Well put. The juxtaposition of these two events has bothered me all week. On one hand we have a potentially catastrophic outcome that's the result of the violent nature of the game, on the other hand a defenseless player went into concussion protocol due to a completely unnecessary blow to the head well after the whistle. 

 

IMO the NFL missed an opportunity to make a strong statement regarding their concern for player safety with Gronk/White.

 

On a side note, a few years ago Belichik sat Welker for the first offensive series against the Jets after Welker's hilarious presser where he made multiple references to Rex's foot fetish. I'm not expecting it after the 1 game suspension but it would be a nice gesture to do the same to Gronk in his first game back.,

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33 minutes ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Well put. The juxtaposition of these two events has bothered me all week. On one hand we have a potentially catastrophic outcome that's the result of the violent nature of the game, on the other hand a defenseless player went into concussion protocol due to a completely unnecessary blow to the head well after the whistle. 

 

IMO the NFL missed an opportunity to make a strong statement regarding their concern for player safety with Gronk/White.

 

On a side note, a few years ago Belichik sat Welker for the first offensive series against the Jets after Welker's hilarious presser where he made multiple references to Rex's foot fetish. I'm not expecting it after the 1 game suspension but it would be a nice gesture to do the same to Gronk in his first game back.,

 

 

I think that the Ref's and League officials are afraid of their jobs to do anything to a Patriots player, coach, or owner. I read all of the posts that say as much weekly. We have to face it that some owners are more equal than others and we are not in their orbit.

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22 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

No I'm just literally focusing on what you said, that these players have a right to anything more than the contract allows them. They don't they're dancing little Showgirls for us and they get paid a king's ransom for it. The only difference is they don't show us their titties

 

To your point, a contract is law, and a player is really only owed what is written into a deal, but be a human and have some compassion, man.  And don't act like teams (or even corporations that sponsor athletes) don't go above and beyond the deal points all the time...

 

Regardless, the fact that NFL players don't have great health care for life, is laughable and a huge failure on the part of the league and player's association.  NFL players generate billions of dollars in revenue by putting their bodies on the line, they should be taken care of and taken care of well, IMO.

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Just now, Heitz said:

 

To your point, a contract is law, and a player is really only owed what is written into a deal, but be a human and have some compassion, man.  And don't act like teams (or even corporations that sponsor athletes) don't go above and beyond the deal points all the time...

 

Regardless, the fact that NFL players don't have great health care for life, is laughable and a huge failure on the part of the league and player's association.  NFL players generate billions of dollars in revenue by putting their bodies on the line, they should be taken care of and taken care of well, IMO.

i get that, but they are not owed that.

 

coolest thing Ralph Wilson ever did was keep Kevin everett on the roster to get benefits thru the nflpa.

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From what i have heard the Rooney's are a class act too.

8 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

i get that, but they are not owed that.

 

coolest thing Ralph Wilson ever did was keep Kevin everett on the roster to get benefits thru the nflpa.

 

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11 minutes ago, Heitz said:

 

To your point, a contract is law, and a player is really only owed what is written into a deal, but be a human and have some compassion, man.  And don't act like teams (or even corporations that sponsor athletes) don't go above and beyond the deal points all the time...

 

Regardless, the fact that NFL players don't have great health care for life, is laughable and a huge failure on the part of the league and player's association.  NFL players generate billions of dollars in revenue by putting their bodies on the line, they should be taken care of and taken care of well, IMO.

 

Not calling you out or putting this on you, but your statement made me wonder what the players association stance on Gronk/White is. Did they support Gronks appeal of the suspension? Or put another way, what's more important to them in this case, player safety or compensation?

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44 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

i get that, but they are not owed that.

 

coolest thing Ralph Wilson ever did was keep Kevin everett on the roster to get benefits thru the nflpa.

Did he actually? I didn't know that

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Continued prayers for Shazier and his family. What a terribly difficult time, but hoping for the best! 

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4 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

Did he actually? I didn't know that

i'mm trying to find a link to the story about it... but found this...

 

 

http://rebrn.com/re/pure-class-story-of-the-day-bucs-sign-paralyzed-rutgers-player-l-1356203/

 

this was the best i could find mentioning it

 

"Business can’t have a heart? Let’s run that one by Ralph Wilson. The Buffalo Bills owner kept tight end Kevin Everett on the active roster for three years after his famous injury. Everett thankfully recovered from paralysis and was able to walk into the stadium only a few months later. Mr. Wilson’s decision to sacrifice a roster spot for that long in order to insure Everett’s access to lifetime medical care and a full pension was without doubt an idiotic choice when viewed from a winning or bottom-line perspective."

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-bruno/peyton-manning-jim-irsay_b_1295173.html
so, alpha... i guess this also shows you're kind of off base.

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3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Meanwhile Gronk tries to decaptiate a defenseless and unaware player and gets a ONE GAME suspension.  Shazier is fighting for his life.  Shame on Gronk and the NFL for only giving him a one game suspension.  His attack should’ve gotten him multiple games if not the season.  What a cowardly league and patriot Tight end.  Disgusting 

Honestly, at that moment, Gronk straight wanted to give White a Shazier injury. Like he tried his damned hardest.

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On 12/5/2017 at 10:16 AM, thebandit27 said:

I can't watch when guys have these injuries

 

I've been there (hockey injury when I was 15), and it's absolutely terrifying.  I made a full recovery, but man it was a close call.

 

I don't know that I'd go so far as to call it PTSD, but whenever I see a guy go down like that, it physically affects me.

 

I am very hopeful that he doesn't have long-term issues.

Same with knee injuries for me. I cant watch that stuff. things bent wrong and all that. I went through it and I am glad I am done with playing now.

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5 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

Hi. I work in the most dangerous profession ever!  I can judge.  

 

In the past 2 mos...

I've about had fingers ripped off by shearing wire.

Been thrown 12' in the air by a bored bull

Been kicked a dozen times trimming donkey hooves.

Been rushed by angry Mama's as I work their calves. Including stomped. Kicked.  Head butted. 

I've fallen 30' down a ravine, end over end and had my head cut open.

Fallen from a few trees

Sore backs, twisted an ankle, beaten up.

 

I've bled. I've bruised. I've been beaten down.  Yeah, I'll judge some candy ass playing a sport. And I won't B word about what i do because while itsy job, I love what i do.

 

They know what they sign up for and so do I.  I am not entitled as a fan. I could not care less about a player off the field most of the time but I respect the **** out of what most of them do.

 

But, you don't have to thank me. Just remember when you eat your next meal that you're thanking me already. 

 

I win.  Bon appetite

The bag guy at the A&P is owed something, too.  

 

The drug dealer on the corner just tryin' to make some money to feed his daughter,
and all the niggas in the struggle, you know what I'm sayin'? Is owed something

 

The Harvard educated lawyer making $200k in central New York representing drunks is owed something.

 

The Fireman who lost his wife and now works to support his kids, Eric and Tori, while forgetting to sign up for benefits is owed something, too

Everyone is owed something. 

 

#Participationtrophiesforall

jesus christ, what did i just read here. Pretty much making this thread about an injured player all about you. You come off as a self centered prick that likes to hear himself talk using a football thread to get all your bitterness off you chest. Give us a break.

And you'll be getting no thanks from me because you don't produce any of my meals. 

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