Watkins needs to step up.... Woods out....

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, teef said:

you literally might be the most absurd poster on this board.  you've convinced yourself watkins is some sort of superman, and will reason it out in any way, (no matter how absurd) to keep that a truth in  your head.

No I'm convinced he's a top 10 receiver, who in 2015 not 100% healthy had over 1000 yards receiving @ 17.5 yds/rec on the 29th ranked passing team.......

[teef]

5 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

No I'm convinced he's a top 10 receiver, who in 2015 not 100% healthy had over 1000 yards receiving @ 17.5 yds/rec on the 29th ranked passing team.......

i think sammy has the ability, but he's in no way a top 10 receiver now.  he just isn't.  is your measuring stick for success 1000 yards?  especially from a receiver who you think is "elite"?  no matter how you reason it out, sammy has completely underwhelmed, and has been a disappointment.  hell, the rams may have just wasted a second round pick on him.  i don't know why you insist in putting the guy on a pedestal.  he just isn't that productive.  you also seem to think the rams will pay him strictly on potential.  they'd be nuts to do that.  i think watkins can be very successful in the right situation, but so far no one has seen it.  

 

you can't seem to separate emotion vs reality when it comes to sammy.  it's strange.

Edited November 21, 2017 by teef

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

i think sammy has the ability, but he's in no way a top 10 receiver now.  he just isn't.  is your measuring stick for success 1000 yards?  especially from a receiver who you think is "elite"?  no matter how you reason it out, sammy has completely underwhelmed, and has been a disappointment.  hell, the rams may have just wasted a second round pick on him.  i don't know why you insist in putting the guy on a pedestal.  he just isn't that productive.  you also seem to think the rams will pay him strictly on potential.  they'd be nuts to do that.  i think watkins can be very successful in the right situation, but so far no one has seen it.  

 

you can't seem to separate emotion vs reality when it comes to sammy.  it's strange.

And you haven't watched the Rams (I have) or game film.....

 

Goff is being coached to look for other receivers.  Seldom is Watkins in the slot or a bunched formation.  He is usually outside on the opposite side thus taking the #1 cover guy and help out of the play.

[teef]

Just now, Billsfan1972 said:

And you haven't watched the Rams (I have) or game film.....

 

Goff is being coached to look for other receivers.  Seldom is Watkins in the slot or a bunched formation.  He is usually outside on the opposite side thus taking the #1 cover guy and help out of the play.

oh jesus christ.   the "you haven't watch the film" cop out.  it doesn't matter.  sammy is not productive.  in this thread alone you were trying to convince us that goff is being coached not to throw in sammy's direction.  you also tried to convince us in another thread that goff isn't nearly as good as tyrod, so you can defend sammy again.  this is getting ridiculous, and you don't even realize how absurd you sound.  

 

you're doing nothing but making excuses for a wr that hasn't done much at the nfl level yet.  

[Billsfan1972]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

oh jesus christ.   the "you haven't watch the film" cop out.  it doesn't matter.  sammy is not productive.  in this thread alone you were trying to convince us that goff is being coached not to throw in sammy's direction.  you also tried to convince us in another thread that goff isn't nearly as good as tyrod, so you can defend sammy again.  this is getting ridiculous, and you don't even realize how absurd you sound.  

 

you're doing nothing but making excuses for a wr that hasn't done much at the nfl level yet.  

And again you don't watch the Rams or seen the games.  7 pts vs. Minnesota andf a loss.  Too conservative like Tyrod maybe?  124 yards passing vs. Jax..... Also 10 points vs. Seattle......  Int on first pass after Washington went ahead.......  When game was on the line he didn't perform.  Looks great when team is blowing out teams......

 

Just like Tyrod?  Did I get that right?

[BillsFan4]

7 hours ago, H2o said:

Apparently Woods was the WR we should have never let get away. He's having a fantastic year for LA. 

 

I would have loved to be able to keep Robert Woods, but I don't know if that was really an option? (Outside of the tag)

 

I read during last season that him and the Bills were not even trying to negotiate a new contract. That Woods wanted to test free agency.

 

I also read where he said that he really wanted to play back at home (cali) which is why he was so quick to sign with the Rams when they made an offer. 

 

So if the above is actually true (which I believe it is), I don't know that he would have been willing to re-sign here, outside of maybe a ridiculous overpay or tagging him. 

[teef]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And again you don't watch the Rams or seen the games.  7 pts vs. Minnesota andf a loss.  Too conservative like Tyrod maybe?  124 yards passing vs. Jax..... Also 10 points vs. Seattle......  Int on first pass after Washington went ahead.......  When game was on the line he didn't perform.  Looks great when team is blowing out teams......

 

Just like Tyrod?  Did I get that right?

again, all you have to fall back on is whether or not i watched the games.  first off, how much free time do you have that you watch all of the la games?  second, if i watch, all i'm going to see is watkins not getting the ball.  if he's not in an ideal situation, fine, but it sure seems like all elite wrs manage to get open and make big plays...while being double teamed.  i like watkins as a wr, but he's not elite, he's not a top 10 wr, and he's not getting 12 mill next year.  keep trying to convince yourself any way you want.  i think someone who's reasonable and reading through this thread know you're trying far too hard.

[CookieG]

28 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And you haven't watched the Rams (I have) or game film.....

 

Goff is being coached to look for other receivers.  Seldom is Watkins in the slot or a bunched formation.  He is usually outside on the opposite side thus taking the #1 cover guy and help out of the play.

here's how I look at the "drawing double coverage and/or the team's best db" argument. Does it make your team better?

 

The Rams had the worst offense in the league last year in scoring, finishing 31st in passing and rushing.  Many were calling Goff a rookie bust and some were questioning Gurley's ability. The Rams hadn't had an offense that finished in the top 20 for over a decade (God, why did they keep Fisher as long as they did...).

 

They added 3 skill players, 2 of them from the Bills and a rookie WR.. They shored up their some. Goff is still their QB, Gurley is still their RB.

 

The results:

 

The Rams went from 32nd in the league in scoring to 2nd, even after Sunday's game.  They've already scored 300 points as opposed to something like 230 all of last season. The transformation of their offense can only be described as incredible.

 

Who does it hurt that he's drawing double coverage or the D's best DB?

 

-it hurts him, at contract time..yes, it will.

-it hurts fantasy owners who have him on his team.

 

If I'm a teammate, if I'm McVay, if I'm a fan of the Rams and my team is averaging 30 pts a game...more than double of the previous season...I wouldn't give a rat's ass how many passes he's caught...as long as he's drawing away coverage.

 

But then..I stopped playing fantasy football in the 90's.  

[Billsfan1972]

30 minutes ago, teef said:

again, all you have to fall back on is whether or not i watched the games.  first off, how much free time do you have that you watch all of the la games?  second, if i watch, all i'm going to see is watkins not getting the ball.  if he's not in an ideal situation, fine, but it sure seems like all elite wrs manage to get open and make big plays...while being double teamed.  i like watkins as a wr, but he's not elite, he's not a top 10 wr, and he's not getting 12 mill next year.  keep trying to convince yourself any way you want.  i think someone who's reasonable and reading through this thread know you're trying far too hard.

So you finally answered the question that you do not watch the Rams......  Was that so difficult?

 

I am on a spinning cycle and read and watch football on Sunday if you are interested.  Have watched a fair bit of the Rams games when on (most have been) and seen very similar to Tyrod when Sammy was here, where you know at the LOS that even if a pass they are not targeting him.  And yes I only focus on the offense as it is in stark contrast to Buffalo's and want to see Woods & Watkins.     

 

In 2015 Sammy was over 1000 yards and targeted 7.4/gm and missed 3 games......  The top 10 all had over 10/gm.

 

The Bills in 2015 were the 29th ranked pass offense.  I'd say as a % of the total passing offense that Sammy was Elite!!!!!

Edited November 21, 2017 by Billsfan1972

[Cynical]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And you haven't watched the Rams (I have) or game film.....

 

Goff is being coached to look for other receivers.  Seldom is Watkins in the slot or a bunched formation.  He is usually outside on the opposite side thus taking the #1 cover guy and help out of the play.

 

Sure it is. You keep believing that.

 

http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/12/nfl-los-angeles-rams-sammy-watkins-jared-goff-frustrated-offense-targets/

 

Quote

It’s still a work in progress with Watkins admitting he’s confused sometimes by the coverages opposing defenses are showing him, but he has the playbook “down.”

 

Sammy Watkins. 4 year vet WR.

Got called out for quitting on a route.

Still struggling reading defensive coverage.

= "Elite" WR

 

We already know the Sammy cult is going to give him a pass this season, can't wait to see what the excuses are for year 5.

 

[Billsfan1972]

12 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

Sure it is. You keep believing that.

 

http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2017/10/12/nfl-los-angeles-rams-sammy-watkins-jared-goff-frustrated-offense-targets/

 

 

Sammy Watkins. 4 year vet WR.

Got called out for quitting on a route.

Still struggling reading defensive coverage.

= "Elite" WR

 

We already know the Sammy cult is going to give him a pass this season, can't wait to see what the excuses are for year 5.

 

And that article is a month old and still not targeted.  That Watkins has kept his mouth shut and been a great teammate (while open and ignored if you watch the Rams play) tells me he's showing great character.

[Cynical]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

And that article is a month old and still not targeted.  That Watkins has kept his mouth shut and been a great teammate (while open and ignored if you watch the Rams play) tells me he's showing great character.

 

Sammy quits on routes and can't read defenses.

You conclude Goff is being coached to not throw to Sammy because of the coverage.

 

You really can't see the forest because of the tress, can you?

[teef]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

So you finally answered the question that you do not watch the Rams......  Was that so difficult?

 

I am on a spinning cycle and read and watch football on Sunday if you are interested.  Have watched a fair bit of the Rams games when on (most have been) and seen very similar to Tyrod when Sammy was here, where you know at the LOS that even if a pass they are not targeting him.  And yes I only focus on the offense as it is in stark contrast to Buffalo's and want to see Woods & Watkins.     

 

In 2015 Sammy was over 1000 yards and targeted 7.4/gm and missed 3 games......  The top 10 all had over 10/gm.

 

The Bills in 2015 were the 29th ranked pass offense.  I'd say as a % of the total passing offense that Sammy was Elite!!!!!

just because you say sammy is elite doesn't make him so.  the man hasn't shown to be elite in any year he's played.  i like him too as a wr, but he's been nothing but underwhelming. 

[Billsfan1972]

10 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

Sammy quits on routes and can't read defenses.

You conclude Goff is being coached to not throw to Sammy because of the coverage.

 

You really can't see the forest because of the tress, can you?

Where did you read that?  One route he gave up on because of miscommunication?  Really reaching....... 

[teef]

12 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

Sammy quits on routes and can't read defenses.

You conclude Goff is being coached to not throw to Sammy because of the coverage.

 

You really can't see the forest because of the tress, can you?

good for you for giving it a shot.  he's never going to admit that sammy hasn't been worth the price of admission so far.  i think the rams really wasted a 2nd on the guy.

[Cynical]

3 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Where did you read that?  One route he gave up on because of miscommunication?  Really reaching....... 

 

Sammy needs it to be communicated to NOT give up on route?

Just reinforcing that "elite' status, I see.

6 minutes ago, teef said:

good for you for giving it a shot.  he's never going to admit that sammy hasn't been worth the price of admission so far.  i think the rams really wasted a 2nd on the guy.

 

I just find these kind of people fascinating. The amount of twisted logic they will use to justify their position is positively funny.

 

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

Sammy needs it to be communicated to NOT give up on route?

Just reinforcing that "elite' status, I see.

I saw the play, did you? They were on the wrong page.  Seen a lot of receivers do it.

 

Also have seen Julio Jones drop a TD pass that is on all the blooper reels 2 weeks ago and yesterday another one wide open in his hands vs. Seattle.  He stinks too.......

[Straight Hucklebuck]

He won't. 

 

He is the same inconsistent WR he's always been. 

 

He will flash, but never consistently dominate. 

[teef]

26 minutes ago, Cynical said:

 

Sammy needs it to be communicated to NOT give up on route?

Just reinforcing that "elite' status, I see.

 

I just find these kind of people fascinating. The amount of twisted logic they will use to justify their position is positively funny.

 

his arguments so far are this:  you haven't seen the games...goff is being coached not to throw to sammy...sammy is elite because he had slightly over 1000 yrds in this offense.

25 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I saw the play, did you? They were on the wrong page.  Seen a lot of receivers do it.

 

Also have seen Julio Jones drop a TD pass that is on all the blooper reels 2 weeks ago and yesterday another one wide open in his hands vs. Seattle.  He stinks too.......

really?  julio jones has more than proven himself as an elite wr.  you're trying far too hard here. 

[Billsfan1972]

48 minutes ago, teef said:

his arguments so far are this:  you haven't seen the games...goff is being coached not to throw to sammy...sammy is elite because he had slightly over 1000 yrds in this offense.

really?  julio jones has more than proven himself as an elite wr.  you're trying far too hard here. 

Julio's drop cost them the Carolina game.  How would you react if it was Sammy.

 

How about watching a Rams game before making assumptions.

 

The 1000 yards was on the 29th passing offense and 7.5 targets a game so quite impressive actually.

[Punching Bag]

10 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Zay will be lucky to ever get to Woods’s level.  That’s a fact.

 

I see you like to create #FAKE NEWS.  Is it hereditary?  Do you have Russian ancestry?

[Alphadawg7]

12 hours ago, H2o said:

Apparently Woods was the WR we should have never let get away. He's having a fantastic year for LA. 

 

Lets not get carried away with only near term vision now.  The only part of his season that can be labeled fantastic was a 2 week stretch of week 9 and 10....prior to that he was averaging 5 rec a game for 54 yards per game through the first 7 weeks with zero TDs (week 8 was a bye week).  So lets not get crazy here and call it a fantastic season when it was mostly forgettable outside of a couple big weeks.   Even in one of those weeks (week 9), he still only had 4 catches, just 2 of them were for short TD'S.  Then had one of the best game of his career in week 10 going for 8 rec, 171 yards and 2 more TDs.  Against the Vikes he came back to Earth with a solid 8 for 88 yards and no TD game.  

 

So really he had one big game, a 2nd pretty good game and a solid game followed by 7 mostly forgettable games.  Not quite fantastic.  

[teef]

2 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Julio's drop cost them the Carolina game.  How would you react if it was Sammy.

 

How about watching a Rams game before making assumptions.

 

The 1000 yards was on the 29th passing offense and 7.5 targets a game so quite impressive actually.

Why would watching a Rams game change  my opinion?  Sammy wasn't elite here, and he's not elite in LA. High end receivers put up production. Sammy hasn't. I don't know why this is hard to understand. You've thrown out more absurd excuses than I think you realize. Again, I think Sammy is a good wr, but you value him far more than he's ever shown to be worth. LA will have to make a business decision. If they give him 12 mill a year, they'really fools. 

[Billsfan1972]

1 minute ago, teef said:

Why would watching a Rams game change  my opinion?  Sammy wasn't elite here, and he's not elite in LA. High end receivers put up production. Sammy hasn't. I don't know why this is hard to understand. You've thrown out more absurd excuses than I think you realize. Again, I think Sammy is a good wr, but you value him far more than he's ever shown to be worth. LA will have to make a business decision. If they give him 12 mill a year, they'really fools. 

As said I expect with Woods out Goff will finally  probably need to throw to Watkins.  I expect from here to the end of the season he'll see more targets.  If he doesn't perform, stay healthy and sign for $9-$12,000,000  then I'll admit I'm wrong.

 

You?

 

Good game Sunday vs. NO.....  Going to watch?

 

[Alphadawg7]

12 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm a little confused as well.  The article basically says they need to target Watkins more with Woods out and the OP's talking about Goff being overrated (explaining the lack of production by Watkins).  I think.  If the Rams are counting on Watkins stepping up they're in for a rude awakening.

 

 

 

Well let me help everyone understand Goff/Watkins situation...I watch every Rams game, my second team.

1. Despite the high scoring, Goff isn't that good of a down field thrower yet.  He has hit on a couple big plays, but usually its a short or intermediate throw where the WR makes a big play.  The 2 big plays to Watkins, one was a bad throw that Sammy made an insane catch, and the 2nd Sammy blew by his defenders was open by 7 yards.  Overall though, Goff has a lot to develop still in down field throwing.  
2. With all the weapons, Sammy has been mostly running deeper patterns, not Goff strong suit.  
3. Sammy is often open and doesn't see the ball.  But in fairness, there have been others also open at the same time on easier and shorter throws.  Between McVay's ingenuity an the talent of the receivers and TE's, there has been a wealth of clear and easy choices for Goff.

I think what will happen now with Woods out, is that Watkins is going to be running a broader route tree and more of a focus of involvement.  I would expect an uptick in his production while Woods is out, and it could be permanent if the connection excels in his absence.

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well let me help everyone understand Goff/Watkins situation...I watch every Rams game, my second team.

1. Despite the high scoring, Goff isn't that good of a down field thrower yet.  He has hit on a couple big plays, but usually its a short or intermediate throw where the WR makes a big play.  The 2 big plays to Watkins, one was a bad throw that Sammy made an insane catch, and the 2nd Sammy blew by his defenders was open by 7 yards.  Overall though, Goff has a lot to develop still in down field throwing.  
2. With all the weapons, Sammy has been mostly running deeper patterns, not Goff strong suit.  
3. Sammy is often open and doesn't see the ball.  But in fairness, there have been others also open at the same time on easier and shorter throws.  Between McVay's ingenuity an the talent of the receivers and TE's, there has been a wealth of clear and easy choices for Goff.

I think what will happen now with Woods out, is that Watkins is going to be running a broader route tree and more of a focus of involvement.  I would expect an uptick in his production while Woods is out, and it could be permanent if the connection excels in his absence.

So he's basically just been an effective decoy.  Would you suggest picking him up and starting him in fantasy or will they continue to run the same offense and just throw more to Kupp and Austin?

[Billsfan1972]

10 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Well let me help everyone understand Goff/Watkins situation...I watch every Rams game, my second team.

1. Despite the high scoring, Goff isn't that good of a down field thrower yet.  He has hit on a couple big plays, but usually its a short or intermediate throw where the WR makes a big play.  The 2 big plays to Watkins, one was a bad throw that Sammy made an insane catch, and the 2nd Sammy blew by his defenders was open by 7 yards.  Overall though, Goff has a lot to develop still in down field throwing.  
2. With all the weapons, Sammy has been mostly running deeper patterns, not Goff strong suit.  
3. Sammy is often open and doesn't see the ball.  But in fairness, there have been others also open at the same time on easier and shorter throws.  Between McVay's ingenuity an the talent of the receivers and TE's, there has been a wealth of clear and easy choices for Goff.

I think what will happen now with Woods out, is that Watkins is going to be running a broader route tree and more of a focus of involvement.  I would expect an uptick in his production while Woods is out, and it could be permanent if the connection excels in his absence.

How dare you offer an informed opinion and have actually watched the games......  Uninformed opinions when one hasn't seen the Rams are much more sensical.

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

So he's basically just been an effective decoy.  Would you suggest picking him up and starting him in fantasy or will they continue to run the same offense and just throw more to Kupp and Austin?

Scary thing is Kupp & Autin may well be targeted more then Watkins.......

Edited November 22, 2017 by Billsfan1972

[Alphadawg7]

17 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

So he's basically just been an effective decoy.  Would you suggest picking him up and starting him in fantasy or will they continue to run the same offense and just throw more to Kupp and Austin?

 

Its not that Sammy is a decoy, that term gets unfairly used.  Everyone has a role on the team, and the Rams are blessed with a talented RB, great stable of WR's and a pretty dangerous rookie TE as well.  They have great route runners on the team, plus gadget guys like Austin to boot.  Sammy is their best deep threat, and he draws the opponents best corner usually.  So, its not that he is a decoy, but you can only run so many guys over the middle and guys like Kupp, Woods, and Austin excel there way more than they do on the outside.  Austin for instance has terrible hands even though he's got great speed deep.  

 

They are not in position to need to force feed Sammy, and between the route running ability of the top 4 WR's, McVay's ingenuity, and the short comings of Goff as a downfield passer, there have just been less opportunities for Sammy.  But he very much impacts the game every week as he still has to be accounted for on every play.    And he also had a lot less time than the others to develop a rapport with Goff too.  But with Woods out I do expect him to be an interesting play in fantasy as well.  I am starting him a couple leagues this week even though the Saints are not really a good matchup.  

Edited November 22, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[atlbillsfan1975]

12 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Zay will be lucky to ever get to Woods’s level.  That’s a fact.

I don’t know about being lucky. Woods is having a good year it sounds like. Woods can be a Peerless Price in the right system with the right complimentary pieces around him. I think Woods is also enjoying being back West. Zay has shown speed and some talent I don’t think Woods has. Zay is a rookie . In Zay’s third year I hope we are saying ‘man do you remember when we missed Watkins?’.

[Sweats]

I really question if this regime has what it takes to evaluate talent............i really do.

[Mr. WEO]

"Pussyfoot" needs to step up?  

 

Good luck with that....

[26CornerBlitz]

24 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

"Pussyfoot" needs to step up?  

 

Good luck with that....

 

Zero missed games in 2017 which is more than we can say for the player he was traded for in Gaines and the WRs who are supposed to lessen his loss in Matthews, Jones, and now likely Benjamin.  Irony. 

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Zero missed games in 2017 which is more than we can say for the player he was traded for in Gaines and the WRs who are supposed to lessen his loss in Matthews, Jones, and now likely Benjamin.  Irony. 

 

Turns out Woods was the loss.  That's the irony.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

Turns out Woods was the loss.  That's the irony.

 

He's hurt too. But Watkins does a lot for the Rams beyond his stat ine. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He's hurt too. But Watkins does a lot for the Rams beyond his stat ine. 

 

 

Works concessions?

[H2o]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Lets not get carried away with only near term vision now.  The only part of his season that can be labeled fantastic was a 2 week stretch of week 9 and 10....prior to that he was averaging 5 rec a game for 54 yards per game through the first 7 weeks with zero TDs (week 8 was a bye week).  So lets not get crazy here and call it a fantastic season when it was mostly forgettable outside of a couple big weeks.   Even in one of those weeks (week 9), he still only had 4 catches, just 2 of them were for short TD'S.  Then had one of the best game of his career in week 10 going for 8 rec, 171 yards and 2 more TDs.  Against the Vikes he came back to Earth with a solid 8 for 88 yards and no TD game.  

 

So really he had one big game, a 2nd pretty good game and a solid game followed by 7 mostly forgettable games.  Not quite fantastic.  

It's a fantastic season for him. He's on pace for 80 catches, around 1,100 yards, and 7 or 8 TD's my friend. You wouldn't take that right about now?

[Alphadawg7]

24 minutes ago, H2o said:

It's a fantastic season for him. He's on pace for 80 catches, around 1,100 yards, and 7 or 8 TD's my friend. You wouldn't take that right about now?

 

Don't get me wrong, not knocking him.  Just saying that its easy to see the production in weeks 9 and 10 and feel like he's been huge.  But like I said, prior to those 2 games, the rest of the season he was averaging 5 catches for 50 yards and had no TD's.  Just reminding everyone prior to his hot 2 weeks, he had been pretty mediocre at best.  He had a solid 3rd game this past weekend against Minny with 8 for 88 yards and no scores.  

 

So its going to come down to how he finishes...is it more like the other 8 weeks or is it more like the 2 weeks of Week 9 and 10.  He's got 8 games that says average, and 2 that says great season.  

Edited November 22, 2017 by Alphadawg7

[Ol Dirty B]

16 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

Personally I think Sammy Watkins is an overhyped one-trick pony.  His game has not translated well to the NFL and injuries aside, he has never been as productive as all of his supporters want to believe he is.  I am glad he is gone from the Bills.  The Doug Whaley era will go down as one of the worst in Bills history.  The price he paid for Watkins was as damaging as any of the collossal blunders made by the Bills over the years.

 

One of the worst in Bills history? You must have missed a lot of this teams history and I'm talking even pre-drought.

[H2o]

7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Don't get me wrong, not knocking him.  Just saying that its easy to see the production in weeks 9 and 10 and feel like he's been huge.  But like I said, prior to those 2 games, the rest of the season he was averaging 5 catches for 50 yards and had no TD's.  Just reminding everyone prior to his hot 2 weeks, he had been pretty mediocre at best.  He had a solid 3rd game this past weekend against Minny with 8 for 88 yards and no scores.  

 

So its going to come down to how he finishes...is it more like the other 8 weeks or is it more like the 2 weeks of Week 9 and 10.  He's got 8 games that says average, and 2 that says great season.  

And I agree that he has had some meh games, but I also think that LA has A LOT more options than some other teams right now. When you look at how McVay has them playing I think Woods has been an integral part exactly when they needed him to be. If he was still here he would be our #1, even though he reminds me more of a #2 like Peerless Price. 

[Billsfan1972]

8 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

One of the worst in Bills history? You must have missed a lot of this teams history and I'm talking even pre-drought.

On the field he put up #'s though targeted like a #2 receiver.  Had some injuries and may never have been 100%, but solid #'s.

 

Like many others I'd like to have seen him thrown the ball and see what he could do with volume.  In 2015 he was 22nd in yards receiving and 47th in targets.  It doesn't seem a stretch that throw him 9 balls/game and he'll catch 6 (the usual #1 %) and then over 16 games that's 96 catches......

 

Heck look at the excitement that the Bills got Matthews who in 2016 was targeted 117 in 13 starts by a rookie qb.....  In 2016 Philadelphia threw 609 passes vs. Buffalo's 474 (465 in 2015).

 

 

Edited November 22, 2017 by Billsfan1972