dave mcbride Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) I think a lot of people are ignoring the elephant in the room. The declines stemming from this factor aren't overnight ones, bit rather slow and long term. But I'd bet a lot of money that this is a contributing factor. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-football-youth-decline-met-20170904-story.html Also: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726124-report-shows-continuing-drop-in-high-school-football-players 'According to a survey last week from the California Interscholastic Federation, "football participation [in the state] actually decreased by 3.12 percent over the past year and about 10 percent over the past decade," per Ann Killion of the San Francisco Chronicle.' California is key. Edited October 18, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think a lot of people are ignoring the elephant in the room. The declines stemming from this factor aren't overnight ones, bit rather slow and long term. But I'd bet a lot of money that this is a contributing factor. http://www.chicagotr...0904-story.html Also: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726124-report-shows-continuing-drop-in-high-school-football-players 'According to a survey last week from the California Interscholastic Federation, "football participation [in the state] actually decreased by 3.12 percent over the past year and about 10 percent over the past decade," per Ann Killion of the San Francisco Chronicle.' California is key. Same thing is happening in Texas with high school football participation. Don't know about other states but I expect the decline is similar nationwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I think a lot of people are ignoring the elephant in the room. The declines stemming from this factor aren't overnight ones, bit rather slow and long term. But I'd bet a lot of money that this is a contributing factor. http://www.chicagotr...0904-story.html Also: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726124-report-shows-continuing-drop-in-high-school-football-players 'According to a survey last week from the California Interscholastic Federation, "football participation [in the state] actually decreased by 3.12 percent over the past year and about 10 percent over the past decade," per Ann Killion of the San Francisco Chronicle.' California is key. Your Tribune link is bad, Dave. Interesting that college football ratings are up: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-college-football-vs-nfl-20170921-story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUNCH OF MULARKEY Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Over officiating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Name the last time the NFL, any Team in the NFL, or practically any other professional sports team in the world lost a single dollar? That is a helluva thesis! Good on ya! You have to think of it in business owner sense. Its not literally losing a dollar. If business owner makes x amount one year and the next year they make x - 1 dollar, they look at it as if they lost a dollar. The term "profits are down" doesn't mean they lost more money then they made. It means they didn't make as much as last year or whatever amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1) Capricious and erratic enforcement of rules by officials makes many of these "primetime games" unwatchable 2) The "average Joe" is turned off by players making $20 million per season who sit out because they have a sore ankle or tummy ache 3) The protests turned some people off 4) The announcers typically suck balls...everything is over-analyzed in a politically correct way and done so as not to offend the Patriots 5) Far too many commercials 6) Commercialization of the product (beer, cleats, towels, underwear, gloves, golf carts, headphones, etc). 7) Parity But yeah, I still watch it when nothing else is on. Covers most of it. Do they count people that stream it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I could, but would see no reason to. That would be petty of me, in my opinion. I understand it's my business, my only point is to refute everyone that says, "anybody else would get fired if they did that at their job" . Not in this case. the difference is, your business isn't in the national media. Your business doesn't play the national anthem and state in the rules that your employees must be present for the anthem and standing, facing the flag when it's played. Apples to oranges. I don't know what kind of business you own. But most business don't even come close to the media monster of the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 1) Capricious and erratic enforcement of rules by officials makes many of these "primetime games" unwatchable 2) The "average Joe" is turned off by players making $20 million per season who sit out because they have a sore ankle or tummy ache 3) The protests turned some people off 4) The announcers typically suck balls...everything is over-analyzed in a politically correct way and done so as not to offend the Patriots 5) Far too many commercials 6) Commercialization of the product (beer, cleats, towels, underwear, gloves, golf carts, headphones, etc). 7) Parity But yeah, I still watch it when nothing else is on. As with most things, its a combination of factors and Fergy nailed the big ones. On #4, ESPN and the rest of the overdrive 24x7 media has ruined sports coverage the same way theyve ruined news and political coverage. But I have always liked Sean McDonough and am glad hes on MNF now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Because everyone from the ages of 16-30 who can't afford cable stream it online. I personally know my son and all his friends do it. I don't blame him, he tried to purchase Sunday ticket but was told he couldn't because direct TV wanted him to order cable because his complex is a provider for it. He doesn't want cable, he just wants football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 the difference is, your business isn't in the national media. Your business doesn't play the national anthem and state in the rules that your employees must be present for the anthem and standing, facing the flag when it's played. Apples to oranges. I don't know what kind of business you own. But most business don't even come close to the media monster of the NFL. My point , that I mentioned earlier, is that people who say that anyone else would lose their jobs if they did this are wrong. I'm well aware of the differences between my business and the NFL. I stressed that that was the only point I was trying to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 My point , that I mentioned earlier, is that people who say that anyone else would lose their jobs if they did this are wrong. I'm well aware of the differences between my business and the NFL. I stressed that that was the only point I was trying to make.no. I made a point that I couldn't, or anyone else couldn't just go into work and not protest against something that their company had rules against. You have stated that you have no problem with your employees kneeling and protesting. That's your prerogative. But that's not my point my at all. My point was most people in all walks of life can't just do whatever they feel like with no consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 no. I made a point that I couldn't, or anyone else couldn't just go into work and not protest against something that their company had rules against. You have stated that you have no problem with your employees kneeling and protesting. That's your prerogative. But that's not my point my at all. My point was most people in all walks of life can't just do whatever they feel like with no consequences. I wasn't just referring to you. It's a common remark that people say other people would get fired if they did it. It's not true in all cases. That's my point. personally, since I pay no attention to the anthem, I don't care what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbills Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Anthem protest is a culture war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Anthem protest is a culture war. It's a race war, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimp Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I could, but would see no reason to. That would be petty of me, in my opinion. I understand it's my business, my only point is to refute everyone that says, "anybody else would get fired if they did that at their job" . Not in this case. that isn't what he said. He said he couldn't disobey his boss without getting fired. I understand the argument you wanted to make, but he didn't say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Was probably mentioned, but there's also just waaaaaay more entertainment options / things going on / crap to do these days, than ever before. There's not a "national vested interest" like there once was... For me personally, if it's not the Bills (or maybe a marquee matchup near the end of the year), I'm not watching a Monday game. Maybe a few plays, but a full game? No way. Same with Thursday - I hate that game. Pure cash grab that is fully evidenced by fact it gave them an excuse to invent a third Color Rush uniform. "Look - we brought you more ads AND more merch to buy!" Also, they need to KISS with the distribution. I get the desire to sell rights to everyone, but Sun afternoon on Fox and CBS, but Sun night on NBC, then Monday on ABC? Or ESPN? Then Thursday on Twitter? Or some other such web site? Getting confusing for people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) Again, they are far superior to every other sports network out there. Regression was bound to happen. The snowflake impact is wildly overstated. But I guess it makes some people feel good that they are making a difference. Extremely overstated and "snowflake" is such a stupid/divisive term that's sullying the movie Fight Club for me. Those that won't watch football because of some players kneeling during the anthem aren't huge football fans to begin with. Edited October 18, 2017 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 I wasn't just referring to you. It's a common remark that people say other people would get fired if they did it. It's not true in all cases. That's my point. personally, since I pay no attention to the anthem, I don't care what they do.im just saying that you are missing my point. Forget about the anthem in general. I don't know what kind of business you own. But it's about rules of the business. It is written in the NFL rules that players will be ok the sidelines for the anthem and will be facing the flag and should be standing with their helmet under their arm. It's a rule. Simple as that. In regards to players kneeling, side, it's their right to do so. I still think they are still scumbags for doing it just because they don't like what our POTUS has said (ironically expressing his own right to free speach). And that's my prerogative to feel that way because that's my right. Whatever. We can't even begin to argue this because whatever business you own doesn't compare to the NFL. and I get it that you don't care. But think of the people with friends or family members that lost loved ones serving this country. You may not care, but the mother or wife or husband, or child that lost a husband, wife, son, or father care very much. And honestly, in my opinion I find it disgusting that people expressing their right to do anything off the blood of veterans shouldn't be allowed to protest against them. You may not think it's about them, or the flag, or the song, or the law enforcement that keeps so many people safe every day. But those that are affected by it probably don't see it that way. I'm actually done here. If you want to continue to have conversations about it all you can PM me. It's a race war, really.no. It's not that isn't what he said. He said he couldn't disobey his boss without getting fired. I understand the argument you wanted to make, but he didn't say that.thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 that isn't what he said. He said he couldn't disobey his boss without getting fired. I understand the argument you wanted to make, but he didn't say that. and if you looked at my original statement - I didn't say anything about him. I mentioned my business only. Yes, it was linked to his statement. But I only referred to my business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Was probably mentioned, but there's also just waaaaaay more entertainment options / things going on / crap to do these days, than ever before. There's not a "national vested interest" like there once was... For me personally, if it's not the Bills (or maybe a marquee matchup near the end of the year), I'm not watching a Monday game. Maybe a few plays, but a full game? No way. Same with Thursday - I hate that game. Pure cash grab that is fully evidenced by fact it gave them an excuse to invent a third Color Rush uniform. "Look - we brought you more ads AND more merch to buy!" Also, they need to KISS with the distribution. I get the desire to sell rights to everyone, but Sun afternoon on Fox and CBS, but Sun night on NBC, then Monday on ABC? Or ESPN? Then Thursday on Twitter? Or some other such web site? Getting confusing for people... Hate Thursday games. Not fair to players. Hate overseas games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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