Royale with Cheese Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) I guess 17 years of failure gets ingrained. Such low expectations. It's sad. You're right. Rob Ninkovich was a disappointment in NE because he only averaged about 5 sacks a year. Can you please start a box score scouting website? Edited October 13, 2017 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Considering the guy lost his spleen during the off season, I think he's doing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 From day one I thought a good comparison for Shaq in the NFL would be Brandon Graham. At pick 19 it's a long shot you get a 10 to 15 sack a year guy, but I completely disagree Lawson hasnt been a solid player this year, especially for being a a low 1st round pick. He is trending towards 38 tackles for 6.5 sacks, and if you go by stats alone, which your shouldnt thats the type of year you should expect. I think he is right on track. There should have never been an expectation he was going to come in and be a ten sack a year guy, he isnt that type of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Whaley gets a lot of the blame but I have to believe Rex had a lot of influence on personnel decisions. Just like McDermott had control over this past draft. Lawson and Ragland scream as guys Rex wanted on his defense. Edited October 13, 2017 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 From day one I thought a good comparison for Shaq in the NFL would be Brandon Graham. At pick 19 it's a long shot you get a 10 to 15 sack a year guy, but I completely disagree Lawson hasnt been a solid player this year, especially for being a a low 1st round pick. He is trending towards 38 tackles for 6.5 sacks, and if you go by stats alone, which your shouldnt thats the type of year you should expect. I think he is right on track. There should have never been an expectation he was going to come in and be a ten sack a year guy, he isnt that type of player. Did you factor in him playing in four games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 You're right. Rob Ninkovich was a disappointment in NE because he only averaged about 5 sacks a year. Can you please start a box score scouting website? Oh, that's a perfect reference point. Pass rushing is often about how they complement each other. Rare that you have two phenom edge rushers. Ninkovich being really disciplined, helping to contain while Chandler Jones flies in from the other side? That can work for Shaq & Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Shaq might be the only good draft pick Whaley ever made. And Rex probably begged him to do it. Otherwise he probably would've picked Laquon Treadwell or Christian Hackenberg or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Oh, that's a perfect reference point. Pass rushing is often about how they complement each other. Rare that you have two phenom edge rushers. Ninkovich being really disciplined, helping to contain while Chandler Jones flies in from the other side? That can work for Shaq & Jerry. Shaq and Jerry sounds like a Barber Shop duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM2009 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Shaq might be the only good draft pick Whaley ever made. And Rex probably begged him to do it. Otherwise he probably would've picked Laquon Treadwell or Christian Hackenberg or something. This. He's one of the few good picks by Whaley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Number 19 pick to "set the edge". Pathetic.this thread is pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 He was drafted to fit into Rex's 3-4 man-coverage defense, much like Ragland & Darby. It's on him and his coaches to get him adjusted to this 4-3 zone scheme. Didn't he come out earlier in the year and say he did NOT fit Rex's scheme and he didn't know why they had drafted him? He seems to feel he fits the current scheme better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 He was drafted to fit into Rex's 3-4 man-coverage defense, much like Ragland & Darby. It's on him and his coaches to get him adjusted to this 4-3 zone scheme. Sign him to an extension, in two years our next coach will switch back to a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalonian Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Number 19 pick overall. I give him a pass last year because he was hurt. I get that. But through 5 games he has 2 sacks and 12 tackles. When I watch him he just seems really slow. Is it the system or is he just not that good? Really low output for such a high draft pick. Disappointed. Sometimes it's hard to quantify the quality of play of defensive lineman. Stats don't always tell the story. I think this is the case With Shaq. He has done an excellent job taking on blockers and forcing running backs into spaces where open linebackers have been in a position to make tackles. In other words, I think he is playing his position exactly how the coaching staff is asking him to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Didn't he come out earlier in the year and say he did NOT fit Rex's scheme and he didn't know why they had drafted him? He seems to feel he fits the current scheme better. He did. Specifically said he didn't understand why Rex thought he was an OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 If I am reading into this correctly this is about Lawson not having 10 sacks already in 4 games or something like that? - Pressures are more important then sacks - Sacks tend to come in bunches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraq Vet Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 We need to slide Lawson in to a tighter 43 to supplement him with Adolphus Washington. Washington is lean and agile enough to move tackles. A 300lbs guy is lean? Then who is fat or large? Which brings me to the question... why has no NFL team taken a flier on a 450 lbs sumo wrestler? They are athletes and agile. Their job is to not be moved from a point in space. At least bring one to camp... imagine trying to move that guy off of the center!! Sumo guy plays on 1st down only and goal line stands!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Can't count last year because of the injury but I think Lawson has been solid both against the run and rushing the passer and certainly don't believe he's a finished product yet. Not every 1st round Dline is going to get 10+ sacks per season anyway but way too early to say bust or wasted pick and pretty sure this new regime would have already tried unloading him like just about every other Whaley player if they felt that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Get him healthy and he will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 He did. Specifically said he didn't understand why Rex thought he was an OLB. Thought so. By the way, I just realized you were the artist formerly known as Teeflebees. I was wondering where you've been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Number 19 pick overall. I give him a pass last year because he was hurt. I get that. But through 5 games he has 2 sacks and 12 tackles. When I watch him he just seems really slow. Is it the system or is he just not that good? Really low output for such a high draft pick. Disappointed. He's a good player. Probably not going to be a superstar but solid starting role player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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