gonzo1105 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Here is the thing, I don't think McDermott or Beane care what the locker room thinks about what they are doing. So this players point means nothing. They are in the process of turning over this roster already and in two years the vast majority of this roster won't be here. I mean look at all the possibilities Tyrod Taylor-def gone Shady McCoy-good chance he's gone in two years Charles Clay- above average chance Richie Incognito- prob gone Jordan Mills-gone Kyle Williams-gone Lo Alexander-gone Ramon Humber-non starter or gone This team will be remade for good or bad and most of the locker room they are supposedly upsetting won't be here so the point is really mute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Most of the players on that mediocre "winning" *9-7 team were acquired before Whaley became GM. The entire starting DLine (Mario, Kyle, Dareus, Hughes), Gilmore, Searcy, AWill, McKelvin, Freddy, Spiller, Cordy Glenn, Wood, Scott Chandler, etc. The foundation of the team were acquired before Whaley was named GM. How is that "building"? And Whaley supported the Rex hire. If he were against it like he should have been then there's no way the Pegulas hire Rex. It seems that you and I are not going to agree. And that's okay, because I love you more than air. Whaley did not support the Rex hire. Whaley built a defense that would undoubtedly (proven in time) fail under Rex Ryan's "leadership." There's no way he'd sign on for that. The Pegulas forced Rex onto Whaley, effectively sabotaging his career. But HEEEEYYYY ... THEY KEPT THE TEAM IN BUFFALO, RIGHT?!?!?!?! For this, they are Gods. Not fake Gods like Zeus or Pegasus. They are bigger than Jesus Christ. Peace be with you, my friend. Love, Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 All this complaining about what the new staff has done is really a drag. We just spent 4 years with an egotistical moron followed by a blowhard clown. All any of us wanted was for new blood at gm and coach and we by all accounts ,have gotten what appears to be a respectable pair. I can't expect to agree with every move they make but I look at it like this. ... If I had to bet $100 bucks on whether Sammy would play all 16, I'd bet he!! no. If I had to bet $100 that we would be able to sign him after this year and him not wanting to catch the first plane out...too a team we could/would never match..I'd bet he!! no. That being said, I'll take Gaines and the pick. We did get a very good receiver in Matthews and a pick, so production wise and time on field wise, I think it will pay off. Ragland for a 4th in 2019, I didn't like, I would have rather found a speedster or a RT, but, I'm not gonna call the staff stupid. My biggest beef is Castillo and how crappy this line has played...and for the love of God leave Miller alone and try Groy at RT if we can't find someone on a cut. I am going to give the benefit of the doubt to the staff going into week one to get their $het together. If trading Sammy was equivalent to cutting off Tyrod's throwing arm, then we will see Peterman play. Realistically, do I expect a WC this year?...no...but I won't rule it out either. I believe we are gonna see a whole different team come week one. I hope Matthews can step right in. I think Zay will be an upgrade to Woods. I think Brandon Reilly will be a better version of Chris Hogan and Streeter and Tate can help as well. I think Oleary will show us why he won the best college TE award. I have a lot of faith in the talent we have. I also like the way we are setting ourselves up for the future. Actually, I haven't felt this good going into a season in more years than I can remember. All this negativity is not gonna drag me down. The part about Sammy makes no sense since we wouldn't have to match, we just apply the Franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Mike Lodish was certainly lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I liken this process to having your house be the feature point of 'Extreme Home Makeover'. Currently we are in the demolition phase and a lot of people are getting teary-eyed because they see the stuff they are familiar with, things that they have been around and have sentimental value, being destroyed. Let's wait until the big reveal before we get so upset. Our consistent lack of success is the only thing I would consider a **** show at this point in time. This. Great analogy BuffaloHokie13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 It was a talented team that lacked direction. You exaggerate. The team was not devoid of talent. It has been a middle tiered team at least for the last few seasons. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Says to self..."dont open this" doeznt losten to self....now walking away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I liken this process to having your house be the feature point of 'Extreme Home Makeover'. Currently we are in the demolition phase and a lot of people are getting teary-eyed because they see the stuff they are familiar with, things that they have been around and have sentimental value, being destroyed. Let's wait until the big reveal before we get so upset. Our consistent lack of success is the only thing I would consider a **** show at this point in time. I feel like this is the 5th or 6th time my house has been on the show, in fact, the show's been the only thing consistent about the last 17 or so years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I cant wait to see what this board is like once the draft is over and the Bills drafted 6 starters in the first 3 rounds and possibly even have a franchise QB CBF they will hate everyone of the picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 they will hate everyone of the picks. There will always be "those guys," but I always thought this place was pretty positive/excited after the draft. This preseason is the earliest I've ever seen this much pessimism (myself included). Last year it started around week 2 of the regular season. I, for one, can't wait for the draft and I also have faith that Beane will knock it out of the park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 There will always be "those guys," but I always thought this place was pretty positive/excited after the draft. This preseason is the earliest I've ever seen this much pessimism (myself included). Last year it started around week 2 of the regular season. I, for one, can't wait for the draft and I also have faith that Beane will knock it out of the park. Was this pessimism as prevalent before the Sammy trade? I know it wasn't for me. That trade cracked my optimism completely - same as it would have it Sammy would have torn an ACL and been out for the season. I was really looking forward to the offense taking another step forward this year hopefully. And with an improved run defense, this team would be respectable. Now my intuition (whether right or wrong) tells me that the offense will most likely take a big step backwards and as a result the entire team will take a big step backward. I am guessing other people might feel that way too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I feel like this is the 5th or 6th time my house has been on the show, in fact, the show's been the only thing consistent about the last 17 or so years True enough. But this is the first time, to my recollection, that the people in charge are actually reworking the foundation in that time span. Unfortunately, it is difficult to keep a lot of the things above that in tact while doing major foundation work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) The part about Sammy makes no sense since we wouldn't have to match, we just apply the Franchise tag. Fair enough, but for $100...Sammy plays all year?....or Sammy gets hurt? What would you do? Franchise a guy who misses time and may need another op+rehab? ......Or try to trade him and get nothing..? They gambled and made the right move in my eyes. I kinda know someone very close to Sammy and I get the self-centered,prima donna vibe. That's all I'm gonna say about that. I don't get the whole purge argument. Gaines may be just as good as Darby would have in this scheme. Matthews will probably put up numbers just as good as sammy this year, and we gained a couple of high picks. They traded Ragland who wsn't cutting it....and I feel they didn't get enough, but all this complaining about purging I just don't get. My biggest beef is a proven failure as our oline coach....and why aren't Miller and Dawkins penciled in on the right side period.! I can't for the life of me figure out why this team has ignored the right tackle spot since...Eric Pears? Edited August 30, 2017 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I was thinking Matt Darby or Mark Pike. Ko Simpson it's just an opinion. Many of the League 'talking heads' -including fellow players, agree. I'm starting to think so too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Ko Simpson it's just an opinion. Many of the League 'talking heads' -including fellow players, agree. I'm starting to think so too.. He wasn't from the Bills' SB era, but his opinion is still worth millions. Just ask him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Just spoke in person with a former Bill from our glory days (not giving his name-sorry). He felt our coach and GM are handling this all wrong. He felt the message the coach and GM are sending to current players is that this year is a wash. He said that is a poor way to build a team (he also said that they are turning loyal fans away). He went into detail about how they should have called in each player for an interview about where they were going to get a feel if they were a fit or not. He is not sure our current regime has done this. I take his opinion seriously because he used to play. If he's not sure that they've done this, he's not sure that they haven't done this either. My problem with McWrestler and Mr Bean is more fundamental than this. Ultimately, I feel that coaches that focus on "fit" for their scheme come up short in the NFL because the group of truly talented players is small, and the group of talented players that fit a specific scheme is smaller. If the chips fall right and your scouting is good, you can land a bunch of talented players. If the stars fall right, you can land a few talented players that fit your scheme, then you're hunting out players that "look like you want your player to look" and you hope will develop. Wade Son of Bum said it: if you can't use talented players in your scheme, maybe it's your scheme that's the problem. And it seems fairly apparent that McWrestler is very focused on scheme. Edited August 30, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 1) They didn't just show up and and start trading people. They went through camps, practices and pre season games. 2) This year absolutely is a wash. For the first time we aren't going for a mediocre season. We weren't a contending roster and if you thought otherwise, that's on you. I have adamantly spoken out on twitter about the consistent turnover being the biggest issue with this team. Every regime wants to put their stamp on this franchise, but none were willing to call a spade a spade. This team needed to be purged and rebuilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I don't disbelieve the OP's story or that a former player might think that. But at the same time I don't see how a former player (who isn't dealing with McD any more than we are), knows something we don't. Being his opinion is fine, but I just don't value anybodys opinion on the matter and am willing to let it play out. That's from someone who is very skeptical about the return we have gotten from recent trades (myself). Fact is, we don't know how it will turn out, but I respect the honest attempt at a legitimate rebuild. Too many half assed, win-kinda-now-but-still-rebuild years and need a real foundation if we want a build something big. Overzealous, cap cuffing, "big splash" signings are a thing of the past and that is refreshing. I am going to "trust the process", but I might mumble and groan along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) If he's not sure that they've done this, he's not sure that they haven't done this either. My problem with McWrestler and Mr Bean is more fundamental than this. Ultimately, I feel that coaches that focus on "fit" for their scheme come up short in the NFL because the group of truly talented players is small, and the group of talented players that fit a specific scheme is smaller. If the chips fall right and your scouting is good, you can land a bunch of talented players. If the stars fall right, you can land a few talented players that fit your scheme, then you're hunting out players that "look like you want your player to look" and you hope will develop. Wade Son of Bum said it: if you can't use talented players in your scheme, maybe it's your scheme that's the problem. And it seems fairly apparent that McWrestler is very focused on scheme. Scheme? Switching back to an attacking 4-3 is a dramatic ill advised scheme change? Edited August 30, 2017 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 What does that even mean? You trade young talented players because the previous regime drafted them and the new one had nothing to do with them? The talented young players all had huge question marks to go along with their talent. I'm not overly happy about it, but the fact of the matter is 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, 6-10x3, etc... just isn't cutting it for me at least. The roster, as constructed before the trades was not necessarily a playoff team, let a long one that was built towards long term competitiveness. I don't think we needed to make as drastic of moves, but if these moves are helping to gear up for a QB in 2018 and putting together a more cohesive roster, then I am all for it. However, we need to now stick with this and not change the course in two or three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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