Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? Edited August 21, 2017 by Bills Pimpin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Defense looks much better. The offense we don't know with the OL in flux (Ducasse at RG?, Glenn injury), an all new WR corps with no deep threat, injury issues, and no depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spurna Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? The position of your nose is closer to the Bills' butt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Pass pro has looked horrid. Run game will be there, but, even The Tyrod haters have to cut him some slack with how bad the OLine looked. Defense looks like it'll be solid, I would be surprised with top 10-15 finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Worse: RB OL - I believe the scheme switch will have an impact. WR CB Offensive coaching Better: DL LB Defensive coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? Well, you could argue that QB/RB/OL/DL are the same as last year. You could even argue that the D line is "better" because Dareus isn't suspended (yet). But we lost our best 2 WRs and replaced them with a second round rookie and a 37 year old who averaged 8.7/catch last year ... before he retired. We lost our best LB (and it wasn't even close), and our best 2 CBs and replaced them with a rookie (who knows?) and a guy who hasn't played effectively for a couple years. So ... yeah, the personnel this year is worse. And it's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 Worse: RB OL - I believe the scheme switch will have an impact. WR CB Offensive coaching Better: DL LB Defensive coaching CB could be but vast safety improvement will make up for it and back end will be better overall IMO. I will take Dennison over A Lynn as OC in the long run. Glenn has to be healthy, but if he is, the addition of Dawkins will make it equal I think. Well, you could argue that QB/RB/OL/DL are the same as last year. You could even argue that the D line is "better" because Dareus isn't suspended (yet). But we lost our best 2 WRs and replaced them with a second round rookie and a 37 year old who averaged 8.7/catch last year ... before he retired. We lost our best LB (and it wasn't even close), and our best 2 CBs and replaced them with a rookie (who knows?) and a guy who hasn't played effectively for a couple years. So ... yeah, the personnel this year is worse. And it's not even close. Well if Zach Brown, whom I assume you are referring to, is your star game changing LB and you think Robert Woods is better than Jordan Matthews (which of course you didnt mention)than I guess you are right it's not close. Sammy will always be a wildcard cause of injury. Also, i will take my chances with a back end with real safeties and without two man to man corners that got burned 2 times a game. One which got benched by the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRex Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Coaching? As bad as Rex was, the current coaching staff needs to prove they are better than a lousy Rex on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 QB -same RB- same OL- same (bad at pass blocking, good at run blocking) TE- same DL- Improved (IMO the scheme change and Shaq Lawson healthy will improve our entire defense) LB- same (Gerald Hodges for Zach Brown to me is a wash) S - Improved (Micah Hyde/ Jordan Poyer are upgrades for sure) CB- Significant downgrade, I think in time White/Gaines will be a solid combo but as of now they are a significant downgrade to what we had recently imo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? Scheme fit: Defense we think is better Offense dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 I wonder why half the board is screaming tank when it seems like the talent is within the realm of last year and we have gained so many draft picks? I guess the unproven potential of Sammy Watkins has those folks blinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 If only Kouandjio hadn't lost his pants, the OL would be ok. This is why young people should wear belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) I wonder why half the board is screaming tank when it seems like the talent is within the realm of last year and we have gained so many draft picks? I guess the unproven potential of Sammy Watkins has those folks blinded.i do not like the trade. That said, I also don't see any type of "tank" - even partial. The Bills know that the WR they got in return for Watkins has a lower ceiling and a different style, but I think they actually prefer him. Clearly, I don't, but I think they do. I don't dislike Matthews per se, actually I loved him coming out of college and do think he's a good pro. But as a Bills fan I just I really liked Watkins because he was ... fun to watch and a great talent. Imo the Bills know Matthews doesn't have the same "potential" as Watkins, and that the team isn't better now that he's gone. However, I think they believe the team will win the same number of games either way. And that's why they did it - they like Matthews, AND they get a 2nd round pick. And the win total won't be affected. I believe that was their decision making. On topic with the thread, I think the team is better overall than last year, all things considered. Injuries always will play a role, it's very hard to predict how their season will go. Edited August 21, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 i do not like the trade. That said, I also don't see any type of "tank" - even partial. The Bills know that the WR they got in return for Watkins has a lower ceiling and a different style, but I think they actually prefer him. Clearly, I don't, but I think they do. I don't dislike Matthews per se, actually I loved him coming out of college and do think he's a good pro. But as a Bills fan I just I really liked Watkins because he was ... fun to watch and a great talent. Imo the Bills know Matthews doesn't have the same "potential" as Watkins, and that the team isn't better now that he's gone. However, I think they believe the team will win the same number of games either way. And that's why they did it - they like Matthews, AND they get a 2nd round pick. And the win total won't be affected. I believe that was their decision making. On topic with the thread, I think the team is better overall than last year, all things considered. Injuries always will play a role, it's very hard to predict how their season will go. I agree except I do like the trade(s) for the reasons you mentioned. I don't believe SWs would have the career year he needed with the Bills to justify a big contract. That said, he leaves for a team willing to pay for his potential. At least we got serviceable replacements and great picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) I agree except I do like the trade(s) for the reasons you mentioned. I don't believe SWs would have the career year he needed with the Bills to justify a big contract. That said, he leaves for a team willing to pay for his potential. At least we got serviceable replacements and great picks. i think that (and maybe other Bills fans are the same way) the reason I have a hard time with it is that there has been only so much to be excited about with the team because they don't win. So we latch on to anything exciting or good about the team, even if the wins aren't there. A deep ball chemistry to Sammy. A #1 rushing offense. A sack record. A DROY candidate. None of it means anything, or leads to wins, but it makes us happy. We might overlook that the #1 rushing attack contributed to a most unbalanced offense in the league in terms of production, etc. When it's ripped away, we feel left with nothing because we assume the wins won't be there either because they haven't been in so. long. But, we don't know that yet for the future. We only know what an organization, which is now completely different top to bottom, had done in the past. So that's the difference between just collecting an assortment of individual talent, and actually, finally, building a team. The latter hasn't worked, we will see what this regime brings. Edited August 21, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathcliff Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 If only Kouandjio hadn't lost his pants, the OL would be ok. This is why young people should wear belts. So true and to funny in many ways. Kudos my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Pass pro has looked horrid. Run game will be there, but, even The Tyrod haters have to cut him some slack with how bad the OLine looked. Defense looks like it'll be solid, I would be surprised with top 10-15 finish. Yeah, pass protection was a total mess. Hopefully, Glenn will be back and ready, Dawkins will pick up speed fast and displace Mills, and this Ducasse experiment ends fast (and for depth at the tackles, hopefully Henderson is better when back at the more natural right tackle position -- but have to admit he has had two absolutely brutal pre-season games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? CB equal? We lost our 1 and 2 CBs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) The Bills are one of the worst teams in the league right now. We've got major problems at QB, major problems at WR, an OL that doesn't seem to fit the new scheme, linebackers who don't cover well, hardly any experience at CB, and a lack of depth across the field. The only place the Bills are better is at the Safety spots. This is going to be a really bad season for the Bills. I think we're looking at a top 5 pick. Edited August 21, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 This will be one of the worst offenses in the league, get ready. It's going to be like the years when the Sabres would have to try and win 1-0 or 2-1. Brace yourself for near unwatchable football as they try and scrape and claw to 6 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 This will be one of the worst offenses in the league, get ready. It's going to be like the years when the Sabres would have to try and win 1-0 or 2-1. Brace yourself for near unwatchable football as they try and scrape and claw to 6 wins. Agreed. I think we're going to struggle to score 20 points per game. It's going to be a throwback to when we used to have Dick Jauron as HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups Not ready to say that; we need to see Peterman be more than a 50% passer against backups before this is true. RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Gillislee averaged over 5.0 YPC for 2 seasons; until proven otherwise this position has been downgraded Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal Asterisk here--equal if Glenn is healthy; worse if he's not TE equal Possibly better if Logan Thomas can show some of the ability he has in practice, but yeah, I agree WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great No question that WR is worse, and it isn't close. DL better Agreed LB better Looks that way from preseason, but again, hard to say one way or the other Safety better and not even close. Agreed CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. No. A rookie with zero NFL snaps and a former 6th round pick that had fallen to #4 on his team's depth chart are not equal to Gilmore and Darby. In fact it's not even close. Coaching better. That remains to be seen. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? My comments above...I see 2 position groups that are clearly better (DL and S), 3 that are clearly worse (RB, WR, and CB), and 2 that show signs of potentially being better (TE and LB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rant_and_go Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Bad year ahead. What everyone else said, plus: - Schedule is a lot harder this year - Coaches look like they only know how to do one thing - Margin of error in the NFL is extremley high and any weakness will be exploited. A bad kickoff return game can destroy you - The things that caused the Bills to loose last year, like penalties and throwing over the middle, are not fixed. - New problems, like turnovers and injuries, will pop up - Very little will to win from ownership. Brady had a concussion, and they just let that slide. They make more money loosing than if they won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 My comments above...I see 2 position groups that are clearly better (DL and S), 3 that are clearly worse (RB, WR, and CB), and 2 that show signs of potentially being better (TE and LB). How can you possibly think this is "clearly worse" than anything?: 2016 Bills Receiving Receiving PLAYER REC YDS YDS/REC LONG TD Charles Clay 57 552 9.7 40 4 Robert Woods 51 613 12 34 1 LeSean McCoy 50 356 7.1 41 1 Marquise Goodwin 29 431 14.9 84 3 Sammy Watkins 28 430 15.4 62 2 Walt Powell 14 142 10.1 35 0 Justin Hunter 10 189 18.9 64 4 Nick O'Leary 9 114 12.7 28 0 Mike Gillislee 9 50 5.6 18 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rant_and_go Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 How can you possibly think this is "clearly worse" than anything?: 2016 Bills Receiving Receiving PLAYER REC YDS YDS/REC LONG TD Charles Clay 57 552 9.7 40 4 Robert Woods 51 613 12 34 1 LeSean McCoy 50 356 7.1 41 1 Marquise Goodwin 29 431 14.9 84 3 Sammy Watkins 28 430 15.4 62 2 Walt Powell 14 142 10.1 35 0 Justin Hunter 10 189 18.9 64 4 Nick O'Leary 9 114 12.7 28 0 Mike Gillislee 9 50 5.6 18 1 The game is not a stat sheet. Tyrod can't throw over the middle, and coaches are forcing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Bad year ahead. What everyone else said, plus: - Schedule is a lot harder this year - Coaches look like they only know how to do one thing - Margin of error in the NFL is extremley high and any weakness will be exploited. A bad kickoff return game can destroy you - The things that caused the Bills to loose last year, like penalties and throwing over the middle, are not fixed. - New problems, like turnovers and injuries, will pop up - Very little will to win from ownership. Brady had a concussion, and they just let that slide. They make more money loosing than if they won. I am in no way saying that it is not going to be a bad year ahead and all of your points are either valid for every team in the NFL or is a prediction of what may happen and not based on actual events. But based on many comments on this board people believe the Bills are in tank mode based on the the moves made by Beane and McD. IMO this is a false narrative as the team talent seems equitable and they are gaining draft picks. The game is not a stat sheet. Tyrod can't throw over the middle, and coaches are forcing him. We were talking about the talent of the WR position. You are talking about coaching which bandit responded: Coaching better. That remains to be seen. I can agree with that. Edited August 21, 2017 by Bills Pimpin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I am in no way saying that it is not going to be a bad year ahead and all of your points are either valid for every team in the NFL or is a prediction of what may happen and not based on actual events. But based on many comments on this board people believe the Bills are in tank mode based on the the moves made by Beane and McD. IMO this is a false narrative as the team talent seems equitable and they are gaining draft picks. We were talking about the talent of the WR position. You are talking about coaching which you responded: Coaching better. That remains to be seen. I can agree with that. i definitely do not see any kind of tank. I do see a soft rebuild that picked up steam last week and was a giant wake up call that they wish to field a different team than previous years - and they feel it will lead to at least the same, if not better results, than those teams. While still gaining valuable assets to improve for the future. It's a great strategy, but we need wait before seeing if it works. We know that the previous strategy did not work, so I'm all for change. But change can lead to angst until we see tangible results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) How can you possibly think this is "clearly worse" than anything?: 2016 Bills Receiving Receiving PLAYER REC YDS YDS/REC LONG TD Charles Clay 57 552 9.7 40 4 Robert Woods 51 613 12 34 1 LeSean McCoy 50 356 7.1 41 1 Marquise Goodwin 29 431 14.9 84 3 Sammy Watkins 28 430 15.4 62 2 Walt Powell 14 142 10.1 35 0 Justin Hunter 10 189 18.9 64 4 Nick O'Leary 9 114 12.7 28 0 Mike Gillislee 9 50 5.6 18 1 Because you've removed 127 receptions from that crop and replaced them with 114--and that's if we only look at 2016. If we look at 2015, then we're talking about Sammy at full health, and that's what you were looking at for 2017 prior to the trade. Furthermore, you've taken out of the mix the only WR that your QB has ever had any established level of trust and comfort. That's a massive blow to a passing game that relied almost exclusively on big-plays to operate at any reasonable level of efficiency. So I'll toss the question back to you, which group is more talented: Group A: Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, Walt Powell, Justin Hunter, Brandon Tate Group B: Zay Jones, Jordan Matthews, Andre Holmes, Walt Powell, Brandon Tate, Corey Brown, Rod Streater It's a clear, obvious, significant downgrade in ability IMO. I don't see how a reasonable, educated football fan could see otherwise. Edited August 21, 2017 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 21, 2017 Author Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) i definitely do not see any kind of tank. I do see a soft rebuild that picked up steam last week and was a giant wake up call that they wish to field a different team than previous years - and they feel it will lead to at least the same, if not better results, than those teams. While still gaining valuable assets to improve for the future. It's a great strategy, but we need wait before seeing if it works. We know that the previous strategy did not work, so I'm all for change. But change can lead to angst until we see tangible results. I agree with this and I do believe after the first month of training camp and a couple preseason games they are leaning more towards the future based on what they have seen. I also think they have the nuts to shift gears again if TT or Peterman show promise and the win/loss record is better than most predict. But there will be some angst if they are like 1-5 and they go into full tank mode which is a definite possiblility. Because you've removed 127 receptions from that crop and replaced them with 114--and that's if we only look at 2016. If we look at 2015, then we're talking about Sammy at full health, and that's what you were looking at for 2017 prior to the trade. Furthermore, you've taken out of the mix the only WR that your QB has ever had any established level of trust and comfort. That's a massive blow to a passing game that relied almost exclusively on big-plays to operate at any reasonable level of efficiency. So I'll toss the question back to you, which group is more talented: Group A: Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, Walt Powell, Justin Hunter, Brandon Tate Group B: Zay Jones, Andre Holmes, Walt Powell, Brandon Tate, Corey Brown, Rod Streater It's a clear, obvious, significant downgrade in ability IMO. I don't see how a reasonable, educated football fan could see otherwise. I can not understand why you refuse to put Jordan Matthew in the discussion. He is a member of the Buffalo Bills. When you decide to put him in the discussion, I will agree you can argue last year is better, but a "clear downgrade"? I do not believe that in any way. Edited August 21, 2017 by Bills Pimpin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) I agree with this and I do believe after the first month of training camp and a couple preseason games they are leaning more towards the future based on what they have seen. I also think they have the nuts to shift gears again if TT or Peterman show promise and the win/loss record is better than most predict. But there will be some angst if they are like 1-5 and they go into full tank mode which is a definite possiblility. I can not understand why you refuse to put Jordan Matthew in the discussion. He is a member of the Buffalo Bills. When you decide to put him in the discussion, I will agree you can argue last year is better, but a "clear downgrade"? I do not believe that in any way. Simply forgot to add his name to the list (edited now)...I included his numbers in the discussion Edited August 21, 2017 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? QB's the same until further notice. Peterson has looked decent in preseason, but let's not forget that so did EJ. Let's see what the backups do if Tyrod gets hurt. Clearly if he doesn't get hurt, we can say same. RB's worse. Gillislee was a solid backup for McCoy. I don't think I can say we got better with Tolbert. WR's maybe slightly better. We as fans continue to make Watkins to be some stud. Matthews was more consistent than Watkins over the last three years. I get arguing Sammy's upside, but we haven't SEEN his upside. Adding Zay Jones in the draft IMO makes us better as well. OL/TE's same. DL better due to a combination of health and suspensions last year. Core returns and should be better barring injury. LB's better due to health as well. Core also returns. If Ragland becomes a bust, then you could say even. DB's, I'm mixed on. With Gilmore and Darby both gone, you could argue we downgraded the CB's with Gaines. None the less, Micah Hyde is a definitive improvement over last year. Maybe that balances out to being the same. I could see an argument though to say worse. Coaching is a TBD. This is his first year as a HC. I'm most worried right now about how the locker room responds to the trades and Boldin's retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I'd argue that CB has actually improved. Gaines and White tackle players and are zone corners. Gilmore didn't like tackling at all and Darby couldn't play zone. You could say Gilmore/Darby are the more talented athletes but I offer that Gaines and White are the better football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I'd argue that CB has actually improved. Gaines and White tackle players and are zone corners. Gilmore didn't like tackling at all and Darby couldn't play zone. You could say Gilmore/Darby are the more talented athletes but I offer that Gaines and White are the better football players. i think that Gilmore and Darby have more experience, and have proven that they can be good in the NFL. If we are just comparing 2017 to 2016 though, given how poorly they played last year, a new system and new players certainly has the potential to be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 the bills had the number 16 offense last year yards wise and if you had say 100 yards to the offense they are 11th(if the starters played the jets game). Now we possibly have a better wr corps and still the best run game in the league. I think if injuries don't kill us this could be around a top 5 offense. 2600 yards rushing and 3400 yards passing. That's actually less rush yards than last year and about 175 yards more passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reginald Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Darby stunk at Florida State, and he stunk in Buffalo. Dumpster fire Gilmore above average at best Goodwin wouldn't start for St John Fisher Woods ran like a hunch back. Never liked him. No yards after catch, So what if he can block. Wasted roster spot with Reggie Bush Safeties were a joke, whoever they were Spikes stunk 3 confused guys calling defensive plays at same time No Dareus first 6 games Carpenter went bad That Douzable guy was a joke Percy Harvin, Glen Gronkowski....what were they thinking? Fired Offensive coordinator after week 3 Rex stunk at clock management, throwing the red flag, Everything, etc. 1st 2 draft picks had surgery No/very little Sammy in 2016 GM EJ What else? And That team was 7-9. Can't imagine being worse in 2017-18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 22, 2017 Author Share Posted August 22, 2017 Darby stunk at Florida State, and he stunk in Buffalo. Dumpster fire Gilmore above average at best Goodwin wouldn't start for St John Fisher Woods ran like a hunch back. Never liked him. No yards after catch, So what if he can block. Wasted roster spot with Reggie Bush Safeties were a joke, whoever they were Spikes stunk 3 confused guys calling defensive plays at same time No Dareus first 6 games Carpenter went bad That Douzable guy was a joke Percy Harvin, Glen Gronkowski....what were they thinking? Fired Offensive coordinator after week 3 Rex stunk at clock management, throwing the red flag, Everything, etc. 1st 2 draft picks had surgery No/very little Sammy in 2016 GM EJ What else? And That team was 7-9. Can't imagine being worse in 2017-18. This needs to be posted in like 15 threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Someone please enlighten me Did someone ask for me? Maybe I can help, but as I read your post I see you have already attained enlightenment. I agree with most everything you said, we could have kept woods or even goodwin and been in a much better position at wr though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Worse: RB OL - I believe the scheme switch will have an impact. WR CB Offensive coaching Better: DL LB Defensive coaching Are we talking on paper week 1 last year or what was on the feild all year? I think Wr is much improved depth wise. Watkins is good but was ineffective much the year. Agreed. I think we're going to struggle to score 20 points per game. It's going to be a throwback to when we used to have Dick Jauron as HC. The Jets, Jaguars, Rams, 49ers, Bears are some I can think of that will be much worst. Buffalo will run the ball well. Jones and Matthews is better than Woods and Goodwin. Buffalo will finish the year better than last year. Will it result into the playoffs? I dont think so but they will have a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Darby stunk at Florida State, and he stunk in Buffalo. Dumpster fire Gilmore above average at best Goodwin wouldn't start for St John Fisher Woods ran like a hunch back. Never liked him. No yards after catch, So what if he can block. Wasted roster spot with Reggie Bush Safeties were a joke, whoever they were Spikes stunk 3 confused guys calling defensive plays at same time No Dareus first 6 games Carpenter went bad That Douzable guy was a joke Percy Harvin, Glen Gronkowski....what were they thinking? Fired Offensive coordinator after week 3 Rex stunk at clock management, throwing the red flag, Everything, etc. 1st 2 draft picks had surgery No/very little Sammy in 2016 GM EJ What else? And That team was 7-9. Can't imagine being worse in 2017-18. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Someone please enlighten me on where they think the talent from last year's team is better than this year's. Other than WR, if Sammy was healthy last year, it's hard to argue a position group this year isn't as good or better than last and we have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. QB's much better due to backups RB/FB equal. Could potentially argue Mike G and Felton are better than Williams/Tolbert I guess. OL equal TE equal WR worse if Sammy healthy, but Zay may be great DL better LB better Safety better and not even close. CB equal, but I am not a big Gilmore fan. Coaching better. Can anyone argue a position group is better this year? Homer post. QB is same. OL = dumpster fire if Glenn is out - last year the psycho backup was very good WR = downgrade without Sammy = zero chemistry - which Tyrod has shown himself to suck without DL = same don't know how you think it got better personnel wise LB = don't know - could say equal at best - no way Humber is going to be better than Zach Brown was for most of last year CB = downgrade - almost without question - Plus I think both Gilmore and Darby would have been ball hawks if this defense gets a pass rush - could have been great years for both here Yuu think coaching is automatically going to be better just because of NO REX? If you think that you are fooling yourself. As much as people hate Rex for being Rex, the guy had a ****-ton of experience as a head coach. Our current guy looked like he was a little kid who had his bicycle stolen from him in the last game. I HOPE McDermott is an awesome coach. So far he only conjures images of Dick Jauron. And I don't know if Dick Jauron could out-coach Rex Ryan. Truth is you have absolutely no evidence to say McDermott is likely to be a better coach than Rex was - regardless of how much you hate Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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