I'm hoping Peterman really have a good camp

[John from Riverside]

False..... Simien passed for more yards in less games and went 8-6

Wins and Losses are not a qb stat sir

[Royale with Cheese]

You're a riot Ballstein! The fact is Elway tried his damnedest to get TT and had to settle on drafting Lynch. And Simien outplayed him to win the starting job. There is no other truth to be told about it

If Elway tried his damndest to get him, he would have offered a much larger contract and just not a little above what the Bills had on the table in 2015.

[nucci]

If Elway tried his damndest to get him, he would have offered a much larger contract and just not a little above what the Bills had on the table in 2015.

Maybe there was a limit on how much he could offer Taylor and didn't want to go above it

[macaroni]

Every year, teams without a franchise QB or a top 5 pick hope that they have found a gem of a QB who someone else in need has passed on. Even with Dalton, Kaep, Carr and Prescott, the lowest drafted recent QB to get to the playoffs is Russel Wilson.

 

I could be wrong cuz I'm old and often confused ... but I thought Wilson was drafted in the third, and Brady was drafted in the sixth or something like that.

[BuffAlone]

If Elway tried his damndest to get him, he would have offered a much larger contract and just not a little above what the Bills had on the table in 2015.

I suppose you may be right. My point was basically that he was wanted by Elway. And would have been the starter. As it stood, he was forced to draft Lynch, who was not ready to start. If TT was on the Broncos roster, he would have won the starting job over Simien. Imho anyway. That belief leads me to the assumption that TT is a better QB than Simien.

Maybe there was a limit on how much he could offer Taylor and didn't want to go above it

That is my opinion as well. A bottom line number that couldn't be breached. Elway tried, TT signs in Buffalo, forcing Elway to draft Lynch. Very likely scenario imo

[Kirby Jackson]

I suppose you may be right. My point was basically that he was wanted by Elway. And would have been the starter. As it stood, he was forced to draft Lynch, who was not ready to start. If TT was on the Broncos roster, he would have won the starting job over Simien. Imho anyway. That belief leads me to the assumption that TT is a better QB than Simien.

I don't think that anyone would debate that (and I like Siemian some). He's just less talented than Tyrod.

[BuffAlone]

I don't think that anyone would debate that (and I like Siemian some). He's just less talented than Tyrod.

That was my only point. I like Simien some too. A very solid backup with ability. Just not on TT's level...which we still have yet to know what exactly that is. Im hoping he takes that next step this year.

[C.Biscuit97]

That was my only point. I like Simien some too. A very solid backup with ability. Just not on TT's level...which we still have yet to know what exactly that is. Im hoping he takes that next step this year.

Eh, they are on a very similar level. I'd put Taylor ahead of him but it's not by much. Siemen looks much more comfortable throwing the football and obviously Taylor is a much better rusher.

[BuffAlone]

 

Eh, they are on a very similar level. I'd put Taylor ahead of him but it's not by much. Siemen looks much more comfortable throwing the football and obviously Taylor is a much better rusher.[/quote

Really? Tyrod throws a much prettier ball...especially deep.

I think Simien deserves a contract similar to Tyrod then, if thats the case?

Simien gets 4 years at 2.3 million. Overall!Tyrod gets 7 million bonus, with 10 mil for '17. Umm....

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[Big Gun]

 

would love this to happen, but man he would have to take a leap not just a step.

 

Wentz looked terrible as the season went on.

How do you think Wentz will look in his 7th year?

His numbers have been a bit better than Smith and Tannehill over the last 2 years (better record than Tannehill too). You may pick them but it seems like the majority would disagree: https://twitter.com/ledyardnfldraft/status/885824710457556997

 

I think that Wentz has a chance to be a good QB but as of today Tyrod is the better player.

W-L are team stats remember.

[NoSaint]

 

 

Eh, they are on a very similar level. I'd put Taylor ahead of him but it's not by much. Siemen looks much more comfortable throwing the football and obviously Taylor is a much better rusher.[/quote

Really? Tyrod throws a much prettier ball...especially deep.

I think Simien deserves a contract similar to Tyrod then, if thats the case?

Simien gets 4 years at 2.3 million. Overall!Tyrod gets 7 million bonus, with 10 mil for '17. Umm....

 

He's on his rookie deal, so pay isn't much of an indicator of anything other than draft position.

[Kirby Jackson]

How do you think Wentz will look in his 7th year?

Hopefully better than EJ, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, Manziel, RG, Weeden, Gabbert, Sanchez and Freeman? All of those guys were also first rounders in the last decade. Just because a guy was drafted early doesn't mean that he will ever be good. If I had to guess Wentz will make it and Goff won't but I don't think either is a lock.

W-L are team stats remember.

I can't keep straight who uses it as a team stat and who puts it on the QB. With Tyrod being 15-14 I don't think that the argument really helps or hurts either side. I threw it in because people will use Alex Smith's record to prop him up. The point was, you can't do that with Tannehill.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....SHOCKING the "One 'N Done Crowd" already has Peterman to the curb.....nice that Buffalo's red carpet is stained with pigeon droppings....

[GunnerBill]

If I had to guess Wentz will make it and Goff won't but I don't think either is a lock.

I reckon neither does and two of the three from 2017 will. 2016 class was overhyped and 2017 over criticised.

[Kirby Jackson]

I reckon neither does and two of the three from 2017 will. 2016 class was overhyped and 2017 over criticised.

That's pretty bold. I think that it's possible but aggressive. None of the 5 were "sure fire" guys. The 2018 guys will grade out better.

[GunnerBill]

That's pretty bold. I think that it's possible but aggressive. None of the 5 were "sure fire" guys. The 2018 guys will grade out better.

I agree none were sure fire.... but you had huge hype over Wentz and Goff and then months of tearing down Watson, Trubisky and Mahomes. That never meshed with what I saw on tape. If anything I liked Watson and Trubisky a little better.

[Chandler#81]

Hopefully better than EJ, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Russell, Quinn, Manziel, RG, Weeden, Gabbert, Sanchez and Freeman? All of those guys were also first rounders in the last decade. Just because a guy was drafted early doesn't mean that he will ever be good. If I had to guess Wentz will make it and Goff won't but I don't think either is a lock.

I can't keep straight who uses it as a team stat and who puts it on the QB. With Tyrod being 15-14 I don't think that the argument really helps or hurts either side. I threw it in because people will use Alex Smith's record to prop him up. The point was, you can't do that with Tannehill.

 

Smith/KC didn't throw a single TD pass to a WR a couple years ago. THAT is a QB stat for the ages! 'nuff said.

[MAJBobby]

Peterman is going to be a long term top end BU in this league. That is his ceiling IMO.

 

Here is how i see it shaking out

 

Keeping 3

Starter - TT

BU - Yates

3rd - Peterman

 

PS - Jones

 

Keeping 2

 

Starter - TT

BU - Yates

PS - Peterman

 

Now here is the kicker. Best chance for Jones to make this roster is if Peterman beats out Yates for the BU spot.

[ALF]

Yates spent most of last season out of the league before latching on with the Dolphins in December following Ryan Tannehill's ACL tear. Yates has a history with new Bills OC Rick Dennison and will help teach the offense.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6603/tj-yates

I sure hope Peterman and Cardale can show more then Yates

[Kirby Jackson]

Peterman is going to be a long term top end BU in this league. That is his ceiling IMO.

 

Here is how i see it shaking out

 

Keeping 3

Starter - TT

BU - Yates

3rd - Peterman

 

PS - Jones

 

Keeping 2

 

Starter - TT

BU - Yates

PS - Peterman

 

Now here is the kicker. Best chance for Jones to make this roster is if Peterman beats out Yates for the BU spot.

I think that this is true. If Peterman gets to #2 than they may just kick Yates to the curb and PS Cardale. If TT goes down you can just add Yates back.