Taro T Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 48 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Silly question. Okay, two silly questions Question 1: Are Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Hadyen, Rice, or McCabe currently employed by a Federal Agency in a position that requires a security clearnance? Question 2: If the answer to the above is no, why do they still have an active clearance? If they have left the position which requires a clearance, the clearance should already have been deactivated upon their departure. At best their clearance should be dormant That's the way it works everywhere BUT Washington. Knew Presidents kept their clearances after leaving office. Didn't realize the entirety of their "inner circle" kept it too. Correcting that item alone could go a long way towards draing the swamp in the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaDexter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: Do you have a candidate that can even remotely challenge Trump in 2020? Here he is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, LaDexter said: Here he is... Would a tranny be his VP? The left might as well throw out The Rock. The debates would be very entertaining if it was Trump vs The Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaDexter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, njbuff said: The left might as well throw out The Rock Does the President get tested for 'roids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1021478284893331458 Now getting your clearances revoked (for criminal violations) is a first amendment violation. The enemies in the press make themselves easy to identify. Take note. 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Why does this matter? They don't have access to that information now that they are out of office, do they? They do. 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: My understanding is they are consulted after they leave since they have the historical perspective of how things have gone. This is not entirely correct. Tom can speak more to this. They retain clearances in programs and SAPs of which they were a part of and read in on while In office. They can access a ton of lower level information, and do so they can continue work in various "government contract" work as advisors, or the media as spokesman. But they are also granted clearances to all five eye Intel which is the problem. Because they can see current Intel and surveillance without warrant or needing additional clearances. 54 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Silly question. Okay, two silly questions Question 1: Are Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Hadyen, Rice, or McCabe currently employed by a Federal Agency in a position that requires a security clearnance? Question 2: If the answer to the above is no, why do they still have an active clearance? If they have left the position which requires a clearance, the clearance should already have been deactivated upon their departure. At best their clearance should be dormant 1. They're employed by NBC (the majority) - which thinks of itself as a federal ministry of truth. Does that count? 2. It's how the swamp works. It allows them to take other government contract work, pulling their clearances would limit their usefulness think tanks and the media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, LaDexter said: Does the President get tested for 'roids? Let Dwayne take all the roids he needs. He will need them to beat Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaDexter Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 What if he gets his 'roids from Russia??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 14 minutes ago, njbuff said: Hey Trump haters.......... and you know who you are.................. Instead of this constant obsession about bashing Trump, how about beating him at the polls in 2020 and get him out of office so you won't have to complain about him for another four years in 2020. Do you have a candidate that can even remotely challenge Trump in 2020? Because you will continue to be off your rockers if you don't. Your constant bitching and moaning and obsessive hate will only guarantee Trump's re-election in 2020 and you stupid @#$%'s don't even realize it. Grow a backbone and vote out Trump in 2020, because your complaining is becoming completely transparent and no one listens. Maybe someone can explain to me why any US citzen not mentally deficient would vote democratic? What are the democrats offering beside lunacy, violence, lies, guaranteed tax increases, many, many more illegal immigrants and/or open borders, socialism/communism, abolish ice, abolish prisons, abolish profits, MORE years of pelosi/maxine waters nut jobs...I mean really, someone try to enlighten me what you as a US citizen voting democrat gains from any of this madness? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: 2. It's how the swamp works. It allows them to take other government contract work, pulling their clearances would limit their usefulness think tanks and the media. That's only valid if they leave the Federal position for a contractor working on a project requiring the same level clearance as well as a need to know. They could walk out of the Federal office and into a cushy job with NG or Lockheed and transfer the clearance level but that does not grant them access to the same material they had in the previous position. It also does not grant them the authorization to use whatever clearance thru a contractor to gather material for a side gig on MSNBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly101 said: Maybe someone can explain to me why any US citzen not mentally deficient would vote democratic? What are the democrats offering beside lunacy, violence, lies, guaranteed tax increases, many, many more illegal immigrants and/or open borders, socialism/communism, abolish ice, abolish prisons, abolish profits, MORE years of pelosi/maxine waters nut jobs...I mean really, someone try to enlighten me what you as a US citizen voting democrat gains from any of this madness? I wish I had an answer for you. All I know is look at the inner cities of ALL the major cities in this country. They are all HOT GARBAGE and ALL are run by Democrats..... and have been for decades. That's all I need to know about the Democratic Party. I don't know how much Republicans can actually improve the pathetic inner cities, but ANYTHING is worth a shot over Democrats. But don't bring up these facts to the left, as they will violently protest you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, /dev/null said: That's only valid if they leave the Federal position for a contractor working on a project requiring the same level clearance as well as a need to know. They could walk out of the Federal office and into a cushy job with NG or Lockheed and transfer the clearance level but that does not grant them access to the same material they had in the previous position. It also does not grant them the authorization to use whatever clearance thru a contractor to gather material for a side gig on MSNBC My understanding is certain positions have different rules. Clapper/Brennan/Rice as directors/NSC get access to finished Intel beyond the scope of their terms. Lower level staff/employees retain access to all programs they were cleared for until their clearances expire (every 2 years for TS/SCI, every 4 for secret and below) - but I'm going off memory at the moment. I defer to the posters who have more experience with the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, njbuff said: Hey Trump haters.......... and you know who you are.................. Instead of this constant obsession about bashing Trump, how about beating him at the polls in 2020 and get him out of office so you won't have to complain about him for another four years in 2020. Do you have a candidate that can even remotely challenge Trump in 2020? Because you will continue to be off your rockers if you don't. Your constant bitching and moaning and obsessive hate will only guarantee Trump's re-election in 2020 and you stupid @#$%'s don't even realize it. Grow a backbone and vote out Trump in 2020, because your complaining is becoming completely transparent and no one listens. I made the joke after Trump won that Democrats should run Kanye West (I assumed he was a Democrat given his George Bush comments) in 2020. He's the black Donald Trump with his over sized ego, superb self marketing skills, nonsense twitter rants, and loyal following. He could go to rallies and claim Harris is really from Wakanda, Warren had a sex change operation after pitching for the Cleveland Indians in the 80's, and that Booker killed Biggie and Tupac and still have all of them endorse him when he won the nomination. I never took into account that him and Trump were friends though given their similarities so I guess we'll just have to pick the least crazy candidate out of the 30 or so that are thinking about running. Edited July 23, 2018 by Doc Brown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I made the joke after Trump won that Democrats should run Kanye West (I assumed he was a Democrat given his George Bush comments) in 2020. He's the black Donald Trump with his over sized ego, superb self marketing skills, nonsense twitter rants, and loyal following. He could go to rallies and claim Harris is really from Wakanda, Warren had a sex change operation after pitching for the Cleveland Indians in the 80's, and that Booker killed Biggie and Tupac and still have all of them endorse him when he won the nomination. I never took into account that him and Trump were friends though given their similarities so I guess we'll just have to pick the least crazy candidate out of the 30 or so that are thinking about running. I have been saying for 2 yrs Kanye will run for president and be successful. Could you imagine a debate with Kanye against Warren, Chelsea Clinton, Kamala Harris or other women??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, Boyst62 said: I have been saying for 2 yrs Kanye will run for president and be successful. Could you imagine a debate with Kanye against Warren, Chelsea Clinton, Kamala Harris or other women??? Definitely. I could see him interrupting and saying, "Imma let you finish crooked Chelsea, but Kanye just had the greatest solution to the Israel Palestine conflict of all time." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 5/18/2017 at 7:49 AM, baskin said: Dont you want to know the extent of the Russian interference in our national elections? Do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 34 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: My understanding is certain positions have different rules. Clapper/Brennan/Rice as directors/NSC get access to finished Intel beyond the scope of their terms. Lower level staff/employees retain access to all programs they were cleared for until their clearances expire (every 2 years for TS/SCI, every 4 for secret and below) - but I'm going off memory at the moment. I defer to the posters who have more experience with the process. For lower level staff, as far as I know the clearances remain active, but need to know still applies - i.e., I don't know that you can get access to info from a program you were cleared for after you leave that program, because you no longer need to know. For high level staffers...you never truly leave service once you hit that level. It's what makes people like that so valuable to think-tanks and the media. In this case...I think a pretty good case can be made that Clapper, and maybe Comey, are abusing the privilege of their clearances. No idea about the other four. 1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said: This is not entirely correct. Tom can speak more to this. They retain clearances in programs and SAPs of which they were a part of and read in on while In office. They can access a ton of lower level information, and do so they can continue work in various "government contract" work as advisors, or the media as spokesman. Not the reason. It's for continuity, and because "retiring" at that level isn't complete inactivity. The utility of those people to outside parties is a useful side-effect...but as a primary motivation, some IG somewhere would be all over that ****. Although I can't rule out the Obama Administration using "media spokesmen" as an excuse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 On 7/19/2018 at 12:11 PM, B-Man said: Jordan SchachtelVerified account @JordanSchachtel 13h13 hours ago Let me get this straight: John Brennan calls President Trump treasonous. The next day, he calls the New York Times and apparently reveals to them that the United States intelligence community has placed "a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin". Unreal... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html Reason enough to pull Brennan's clearance right here... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, DC Tom said: For high level staffers...you never truly leave service once you hit that level. It's what makes people like that so valuable to think-tanks and the media. That may be what the practice has been for a long time but I can't see why any administration would maintain clearances for those no longer in their positions unless they are actively working under the current admin's supervision. Even at that the clearance should be turned on and off as needed especially given all the potential for abuse and leaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: That may be what the practice has been for a long time but I can't see why any administration would maintain clearances for those no longer in their positions unless they are actively working under the current admin's supervision. Even at that the clearance should be turned on and off as needed especially given all the potential for abuse and leaks. Not how clearances work. Once granted, they're good until expired, and pulled only with reason (and there's probably some onerous bureaucratic process for that - I don't know, I've known people who had clearances pulled, but never asked them how it was processed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: It's 238 pages long. Can you be more specific? Go about two or three pages back there’s a tweet about comey and clapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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