Rubes Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Reading Carucci's column in the Snooze today made me wonder how much longer Shady might be with us, given his age, star status, and salary. I'm not as familiar with his contract and the impact on the cap, though. What would be the impact if he's let go after this season? Too much dead money? I don't necessarily want to see him go, but the new regime may not be as interested in a 29-year old RB with a high salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Article for those who haven't read: Vic Carucci's Bills analysis: Star system extinguished in new approach http://buffalonews.com/2017/05/04/vic-caruccis-bills-analysis-star-system-extinguished-new-approach/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1493988176 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 The 5 year deal he was given after being traded here is like most 5 year deals. Lots of dead cap if he's released in the first 3 years, not so bad after that. In this case LM would carry $5.25 mil in dead cap for 2018 if released after this year. But we would actually gain $3.7 mil in cap space for 2018. Keeping him around for 2018 and then releasing him would gain $6.425 mil in 2019 cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Reading Carucci's column in the Snooze today made me wonder how much longer Shady might be with us, given his age, star status, and salary. I'm not as familiar with his contract and the impact on the cap, though. What would be the impact if he's let go after this season? Too much dead money? I don't necessarily want to see him go, but the new regime may not be as interested in a 29-year old RB with a high salary. After this season it's cheap to cut him. That seems to have been the design of the deal: three years in his prime then easy to cut and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy McFiddish Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Was high enough that New England knew there was no way we could afford to pay $4 mil for MG to be the backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) He needs to have a solid year,the new regime has zero ties to most of this roster. If they don't earn their paycheck they will be shown the door.. Edited May 5, 2017 by JMF2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 He needs to have a solid year,the new regime has zero ties to most of this roster. If they don't earn their paycheck they will be shown the door.. yep! And stay out of trouble Probably why he wants Veach as the GM because he drafted him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) in 2018 8.95 cap hit to keep him 5.25 cap hit to cut him The out exists... but i dunno if 3.7 mil savings is really worth it with no replacement Edited May 5, 2017 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Sirius touched on this yesterday, don't be shocked if he is traded or cut this next offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 He needs to have a solid year,the new regime has zero ties to most of this roster. If they don't earn their paycheck they will be shown the door.. He had one of his best years of his career last year posting a career high in YPC at 5.4 and totaling the second most TDs of his career. With this position though, once he hits that RB wall he will be cut quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Can't wait until the next Chris Kelsay is the Bills' best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 He had one of his best years of his career last year posting a career high in YPC at 5.4 and totaling the second most TDs of his career. With this position though, once he hits that RB wall he will be cut quickly. I think 1 more year after this we probably keep him. Draft a full replacement and phase him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 I think that Shady is the type of back that can age well. He rarely takes the big hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 they are usually gone the second the guarantee is paid off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 they are usually gone the second the guarantee is paid off The signing bonus and workout bonuses were spread over all 5 years. The lowest cap hit we can get to cut him would be in 2019 at 2.625. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Richie Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 He produces. I don't give a damn about his age or his salary. They let guys go and everyone complains. If they don't let them go everyone complains. You know what the constant is here. Unbelieveable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Reading Carucci's column in the Snooze today made me wonder how much longer Shady might be with us, given his age, star status, and salary. I'm not as familiar with his contract and the impact on the cap, though. What would be the impact if he's let go after this season? Too much dead money? I don't necessarily want to see him go, but the new regime may not be as interested in a 29-year old RB with a high salary. For this year and on, he has no guaranteed salary. The only cap impact is his pro-rated bonus, which is prorated at $2.625M/yr over the next 3 years. So if we were to release him this year accelerates to $7.9M, next year $5.2, following year $2.625. His salary is basically $6M for the next 3 years. This year a cap savings of only $1M, next year $3.7M, following year $6.4M. Hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 For this year and on, he has no guaranteed salary. The only cap impact is his pro-rated bonus, which is prorated at $2.625M/yr over the next 3 years. So if we were to release him this year accelerates to $7.9M, next year $5.2, following year $2.625. His salary is basically $6M for the next 3 years. This year a cap savings of only $1M, next year $3.7M, following year $6.4M. Hope this helps! This tells me that if he has a good 2017 he stays for 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 Can't wait until the next Chris Kelsay is the Bills' best player. i'm not exactly endorsing this comment, but it's worth talking about. A no-star system works if you have Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. But look at most other teams; they have stars. Look Seattle, Atlanta, Green Bay. A lot of what seems to have been going on with the Bills is to model the organization after the Pats. That's all well and good if you have a Belichick, but McDermott hasn't coached one game yet, so I wonder whether it makes sense to go aggressively in that direction. Atlanta has two players this year with cap hits over $10 million. Pats and Bills have three. Steelers, Packers, Seahawks all have five or six. It's too early to tell where this team is headed so far as stars are concerned. But if they're going in the direction the Pats are going, McDermott and his new GM better be really good at figuring out who the athletes are that fit the system. And the system better be awfully good, because a mediocre system with mediocre talent ain't cuttin it in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 (edited) Until Shady shows me a sign of slowing down, I'm keeping him and paying him. He is an elite RB in this league and he hasn't shown any sign of slowing down yet. Yes, we know it's coming at some point, but we should wait until then before we start considering moving on. If he looks as good as he did last year this season, then there is no way I get rid of him in 2018. Very few RBs are a cut above the rest, he is one of them and is a game changer. Edited May 5, 2017 by Mark80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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