Elite Poster Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 It's 100% a concern. Get talent and TRUSTWORTHY guys. Not everyone is going to be an angel. If that were the case, we wouldn't have McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I believe Foster's health (shoulder injury) also caused him to slide. High mileage on that body. Whatever caused Foster to drop was significant enough for many teams to pass on him. I don't know if it was solely character or if their might have been an injury concern as well. There were also some suggestions that he struggled learning the play book These are valid points as well. The Foster thing was weird to me, he seemed like such an awesome prospect but then he slid so far that I thought for sure there was something seriously wrong with him that wasn't out to the general public yet but then the 49ers draft him and all we heard about once again was how awesome this guy is gonna be. I have a buddy who is a 49ers fan who is absolutely thrilled that they were able to grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 This is a job for the players and if you are going to pay millions for them to work for you it's not crazy for expecting professional conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) I agree with the OP somewhat in the sense that I really thought we could have had the steal of the draft with Reuben Foster at 27, I know the kid had some off the field problems but I also saw a sincere love and passion for football from the kid and he looked so humbled when he was finally drafted by the Niners. I think he could turn out to be the second coming of Patrick Willis. I do like the kid we drafted to play corner and I just hope that McD was dead set on taking him and wasn't afraid of taking a shot at Foster because of some "character concerns". It's too early to tell I just hope this isn't like the Marv Levy/Dick Jauron era all over again. Off the field problem, no thanks . Why do you not like Marv Levy? Edited April 30, 2017 by mead107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 The league moves much faster than it did years ago. Teams and head coaches dont have the time nor patience for players to get it together and mature anymore. If you dont have an elite QB, youre basically always one year away from getting fired for a bad season. Im kind of guessing youre somewhat referring to Peterman over Kelly. Im sure that McDermott simply doesnt have the time to babysit him or bring him along the right path. He wants players that he KNOWS will show up on time, are ready and willing to learn, and lay it all on the line. Theres nothing concerning about it. Its smart. Maybe if the team was on the verge of a Superbowl challenge he would bend this rule for the right player to put him over the top. But not now. Someone who finally gets it- well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Off the field problem, no thanks . Why do you not like Marv Levy? I'm referring to the Marv Levy GM years where it seemed they made an emphasis on drafting choir boys who were not very talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtgolder Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Marv did the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) OP I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you to some extent. I think as a new coach when youre implementing a whole new culture into an organization its important to draft players that fit what youre trying to accomplish. You need to have a solid foundation and core. However, I do not think that choosing character over talent in every situation over the long haul is a recipe for success. Hopefully McDermott understands this because Dick Jauron/Marv Levy didnt. Edited April 30, 2017 by TallskiWallski83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Yea, that's how it is for many future NFL players when they have law run ins. I don't need him to take a shot on Joe Mixon but I don't want him removing someone from his board because of a bar fight or a diluted sample. Dawkins makes me hope that won't be the case. It was dismissed by a judge, no civil settlement, well before he was even considered NFL material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 30, 2017 Author Share Posted April 30, 2017 OP I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you to some extent. I think as a new coach when youre implementing a whole new culture into an organization its important to draft players that fit what youre trying to accomplish. You need to have a solid foundation and core. However, I do not think that choosing character over talent in every situation over the long haul is a recipe for success. Hopefully McDermott understands this because Dick Jauron/Marv Levy didnt. I just hope McD doesn't fall into a pattern and it limits us from not drafting or signing talented football players that have made mistakes but are good people and have good character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 It was dismissed by a judge, no civil settlement, well before he was even considered NFL material. you arguing just to argue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Could care less? Or couldn't care less? Valedictorians and MBA graduates know the difference. This is a job for Weird Al https://youtu.be/8Gv0H-vPoDc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 did we get our monies worth out of Dareus last year ? hell NO.....and that could have been avoided. he was in trouble in college he was in trouble as a Bill and yet whaley signed him to an enormous contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Could care less? Or couldn't care less? Valedictorians and MBA graduates know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I'm referring to the Marv Levy GM years where it seemed they made an emphasis on drafting choir boys who were not very talented. I think perhaps Marv simply wasn't a very good talent evaluator and the scouting department was poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I'm not sold on Sean the Wrestler at all. In fact he sound a lot like Jauron and Marrone actually. Uses the exact same phrases as they did, with an obsession on Special Teams and working hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I'm not sold on Sean the Wrestler at all. In fact he sound a lot like Jauron and Marrone actually. Uses the exact same phrases as they did, with an obsession on Special Teams and working hard. shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) It would be nice to get players that you're going to drop tens of millions of dollars on to not to be doing doobies and getting suspended for half the damn season. Character has a big role here. Edited April 30, 2017 by Luka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 We just came from a situation where guys were literally quitting on the coach and there were no strong personalities on field, in the locker rm and in the coaching staff/FO to do anything about it. Now we are putting too much emphasis on character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 there is nothing wrong with moving up and down the draft board and avoiding low charachter people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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