wppete Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) Anyone else a little concerned with McDermotts obsession with off the field personality? I get it we need good people for the community, smarty guys and guys that don't get suspended. But valedictorian and MBA graduates etc. I couldn't care less. We need football players. I like this draft but let's not limit ourselves when it comes to finding solid FOOTBALL players! We are building a winning football team not a community service Team. Edited April 30, 2017 by wppete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 If you are dumb enough to get caught doing stuff off the field then you aren't smart enough to be on the field. Do you think we had boy scouts on the team during the super bowl era? They were just smart and kept it under wraps so as to not embarrass the team and be a distraction. Put the team first and you can't go wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) There is a difference between looking for guys with good character and trying to take the smartest guy at every position. There are high character people whom were the best or darn near it at their positions over the years. High character guys aren't going to end up being suspended, costing the team in various ways. Edited April 30, 2017 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 If you are dumb enough to get caught doing stuff off the field then you aren't smart enough to be on the field. Do you think we had boy scouts on the team during the super bowl era? They were just smart and kept it under wraps so as to not embarrass the team and be a distraction. Put the team first and you can't go wrong Right, because football players are highly intelligent people...The '89 Bills were an embarrassment and a distraction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 The league moves much faster than it did years ago. Teams and head coaches don’t have the time nor patience for players to get it together and mature anymore. If you don’t have an elite QB, you’re basically always one year away from getting fired for a bad season. I’m kind of guessing you’re somewhat referring to Peterman over Kelly. I’m sure that McDermott simply doesn’t have the time to babysit him or bring him along the right path. He wants players that he KNOWS will show up on time, are ready and willing to learn, and lay it all on the line. There’s nothing concerning about it. It’s smart. Maybe if the team was on the verge of a Superbowl challenge he would bend this rule for the right player to put him over the top. But not now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 But valedictorian and MBA graduates etc. I could care less. Could care less? Or couldn't care less? Valedictorians and MBA graduates know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 30, 2017 Author Share Posted April 30, 2017 The league moves much faster than it did years ago. Teams and head coaches don’t have the time nor patience for players to get it together and mature anymore. If you don’t have an elite QB, you’re basically always one year away from getting fired for a bad season. I’m kind of guessing you’re somewhat referring to Peterman over Kelly. I’m sure that McDermott simply doesn’t have the time to babysit him or bring him along the right path. He wants players that he KNOWS will show up on time, are ready and willing to learn, and lay it all on the line. There’s nothing concerning about it. It’s smart. Maybe if the team was on the verge of a Superbowl challenge he would bend this rule for the right player to put him over the top. But not now. Not at all. I like the Peterman pick. I just hope McDermott is not overlooking some good football players that can help us win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 (edited) Dawkins had an arrest and we took him. That gave me hope that we didn't need everyone to be Chris Kelsey off the field. Edited April 30, 2017 by LEBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 It would be nice to get players that you're going to drop tens of millions of dollars on to not to be doing doobies and getting suspended for half the damn season. Character has a big role here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Yeap, it will hurt us with on the field production. I feel like we are back to the Dick Jauron days. You need to take chances and risks on some of these guys. Also relying on 4 years of production is terrible. Limiting yourself way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 too bad he wasn't here before we drafted Dareus.....what a complete waste of $16 mil/yr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Dawkins had an arrest and we took him. That gave me hope that we didn't need everyone to be Chris Kelsey off the field. there goes that theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 too bad he wasn't here before we drafted Dareus.....what a complete waste of $16 mil/yr This is the clearest example of the reason why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Dawkins had an arrest and we took him. That gave me hope that we didn't need everyone to be Chris Kelsey off the field. Everything was dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I agree with the OP somewhat in the sense that I really thought we could have had the steal of the draft with Reuben Foster at 27, I know the kid had some off the field problems but I also saw a sincere love and passion for football from the kid and he looked so humbled when he was finally drafted by the Niners. I think he could turn out to be the second coming of Patrick Willis. I do like the kid we drafted to play corner and I just hope that McD was dead set on taking him and wasn't afraid of taking a shot at Foster because of some "character concerns". It's too early to tell I just hope this isn't like the Marv Levy/Dick Jauron era all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 IIRC, Dion Dawkins had charges brought against him during college due to a physical altercation at a night club. It's not all or nothing. Evalute the whole player. If they made a mistake and have stayed fairly clean, fine. If they are complete "s$&t birds" then stay away. We don't need that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I don't think that they are specifically looking for Boy Scouts and valedictorians, but rather players who are dedicated to being their best and are at least smart enough to learn the play book. I don't think that rules out too many guys. As someone else suggested, they want professionals, not guys who need to be babysat. They are trying to take a step towards the "Patriot way" and I think it makes sense. They got reasonably smart versatile players who have "want to". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I agree with the OP somewhat in the sense that I really thought we could have had the steal of the draft with Reuben Foster at 27, I know the kid had some off the field problems but I also saw a sincere love and passion for football from the kid and he looked so humbled when he was finally drafted by the Niners. I think he could turn out to be the second coming of Patrick Willis. I do like the kid we drafted to play corner and I just hope that McD was dead set on taking him and wasn't afraid of taking a shot at Foster because of some "character concerns". It's too early to tell I just hope this isn't like the Marv Levy/Dick Jauron era all over again. I believe Foster's health (shoulder injury) also caused him to slide. High mileage on that body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 I agree with the OP somewhat in the sense that I really thought we could have had the steal of the draft with Reuben Foster at 27, I know the kid had some off the field problems but I also saw a sincere love and passion for football from the kid and he looked so humbled when he was finally drafted by the Niners. I think he could turn out to be the second coming of Patrick Willis. I do like the kid we drafted to play corner and I just hope that McD was dead set on taking him and wasn't afraid of taking a shot at Foster because of some "character concerns". It's too early to tell I just hope this isn't like the Marv Levy/Dick Jauron era all over again. Whatever caused Foster to drop was significant enough for many teams to pass on him. I don't know if it was solely character or if their might have been an injury concern as well. There were also some suggestions that he struggled learning the play book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 Everything was dismissed. Yea, that's how it is for many future NFL players when they have law run ins. I don't need him to take a shot on Joe Mixon but I don't want him removing someone from his board because of a bar fight or a diluted sample. Dawkins makes me hope that won't be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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