Tyrod Taylor's Highlights

[transplantbillsfan]

Let me start by addressing your remarks on me telling people what they believe. Anyone that reads posts by yourself and a handful of others knows that you are absolutely committed to defending Taylor. You have gone well beyond defending TBH, and have moved into the obsessed category. You have blamed coaches, players, injuries, and every other reason in the book for Taylor's play, but nearly always fall short in your criticism for the man himself. What I've done is read what you and others have posted and have diagnosed it for what it is...again, it's easy to see. Talking out of both sides of your mouth is what you have been doing. Maybe you don't realize it...maybe you do. I'm just calling out the behavior for what it appears to be.

 

Crusher, you read what you want to read, plain and simple.

 

You discount anything negative I've ever said about Taylor, and I've said negative things, including saying countless times over the last 4 or 5 months that I don't think Taylor is the Bills long term answer at QB anymore but is, instead, a good momentary placeholder until the team finds its long term answer.

 

That's what I've been saying because that's what I feel.

 

That's

 

What

 

I

 

Feel

 

 

I feel it. I think it.

 

But guess what, just because I feel and think that right now, I might change my mind in 2017 if Taylor plays really well. I have that right because there's more football to see with Taylor in a Bills uniform.

 

You seem to view people who change their minds with derision. Frankly, it's a real character flaw if you're so stubborn you completely ignore reality and refuse to change your mind just because you held so steadfast to it for so long.

 

There's no one with a clearer agenda than you and your horrid cult. You're aim is derision, plain and simple. It's a sad, sad agenda. You've publicly stated how excited you'd be to start slamming all pro-Tyrod posters.

 

You diagnose away, but you're bad at it, so try keeping it to yourself, please.

And there you go again finishing the post off with a criticism of the coaching staff the last two years. You have once again validated my original point, thanks.

 

Read your post I responded to. Don't be a hypocrite. I know you have the mental capacity to compartmentalize arguments even if you're too stubborn and arrogant to actually do it.

And did you really compare myself and others who use the CoT with the Klan?

 

Holy cow!

 

Well, that's what you guys are resembling.

 

"Holy cow!" is right. You guys are pretty frightening in the way you're driven by your prejudiced mob mentality...

Edited April 8, 2017 by transplantbillsfan

[Crusher]

 

Crusher, you read what you want to read, plain and simple.

 

You discount anything negative I've ever said about Taylor, and I've said negative things, including saying countless times over the last 4 or 5 months that I don't think Taylor is the Bills long term answer at QB anymore but is, instead, a good momentary placeholder until the team finds its long term answer.

 

That's what I've been saying because that's what I feel.

 

That's

 

What

 

I

 

Feel

 

 

I feel it. I think it.

 

But guess what, just because I feel and think that right now, I might change my mind in 2017 if Taylor plays really well. I have that right because there's more football to see with Taylor in a Bills uniform.

 

You seem to view people who change their minds with derision. Frankly, it's a real character flaw if you're so stubborn you completely ignore reality and refuse to change your mind just because you held so steadfast to it for so long.

 

There's no one with a clearer agenda than you and your horrid cult. You're aim is derision, plain and simple. It's a sad, sad agenda. You've publicly stated how excited you'd be to start slamming all pro-Tyrod posters.

 

You diagnose away, but you're bad at it, so try keeping it to yourself, please.

 

 

Read your post I responded to. Don't be a hypocrite. I know you have the mental capacity to compartmentalize arguments even if you're too stubborn and arrogant to actually do it.

 

 

Well, that's what you guys are resembling.

 

"Holy cow!" is right. You guys are pretty frightening in the way you're driven by your prejudiced mob mentality...

I read what I wanna read? You don't read what you post. This isn't me reaching for a conclusion...you have a longstanding, established pattern. Not just here, but long before here. What was it...19 out of 22 threads started on Taylor on the now deceased BBMB? What was the overall tone in those threads? Has it changed here? Do you really want to claim that you aren't obsessed and clearly think much more of him than you try to pass off? You're fooling no one.

 

You wanna accuse posters of agendas and a prejudiced mob? Are you exempt because you are on the other side of the discussion? I'm truly shocked you chose to respond in this fashion. Maybe I gave you too much credit?

 

And all of this hostility and name calling coming from you? This definitely reeks of a poster who has come unraveled.

 

This cements the end of a viable discussion on your part, so I'll kindly walk away knowing I was the one who handled this topic with common decency and stayed above the fray.

 

Sorry you couldn't maintain. I truly didn't think you would come unglued over what was simple discussion.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

I have an agenda, it's true, oh it's damn true. It seeps into almost every post I make. My agenda is to get a quarterback who passes the ball well and then win a Superbowl. I have to admit that this agenda comes before everything else for me and I'm biased because of it.

[transplantbillsfan]

I read what I wanna read? You don't read what you post. This isn't me reaching for a conclusion...you have a longstanding, established pattern. Not just here, but long before here. What was it...19 out of 22 threads started on Taylor on the now deceased BBMB? What was the overall tone in those threads? Has it changed here? Do you really want to claim that you aren't obsessed and clearly think much more of him than you try to pass off? You're fooling no one.

 

You wanna accuse posters of agendas and a prejudiced mob? Are you exempt because you are on the other side of the discussion? I'm truly shocked you chose to respond in this fashion. Maybe I gave you too much credit?

 

And all of this hostility and name calling coming from you? This definitely reeks of a poster who has come unraveled.

 

This cements the end of a viable discussion on your part, so I'll kindly walk away knowing I was the one who handled this topic with common decency and stayed above the fray.

 

Sorry you couldn't maintain. I truly didn't think you would come unglued over what was simple discussion.

I hope despite all the hot air you just continue to put out here that continues to twist reality that you step away from the mob, take some deep breaths, and start considering what people have actually been saying rather than twisting whatever has been said in order to fit into your narrative.

 

You can feign your high road exit and we can drop this here, but I seriously think you need to "reboot" again and change your approach.

[Foxx]

my problem with Tyrod and the WCO.

 

the west coast offense is basically a ball control passing offense. the running backs and tight ends are utilized as much, if not more so than the wide receivers. the design is intended to have the QB under center and to have a three or five step drop with a '21' personnel grouping. most of the routes are timing slants to WR's/TE's and/or swing passes to the backs out of the backfield. this is the hallmark of the 'ball control' aspect of the offense. again, the WCO is designed so that when the QB hits his fifth step he is supposed to release the ball.

when the scheme calls for the vertical attack, with the 5 step drop, the QB is supposed to step up in the pocket and move around trying to find his target down field. another aspect is the play action pass that a mobile QB is supposed to be able to excel in. in this play call, the option is an option.

i think it is pretty well known that Roman's offense is based upon the WCO and he ran it with great success in San Fran under Harbaugh utilizing Smith. what we saw in Buffalo was slightly different due to the fact that Rex wanted a significant ground game, however the elements of the WCO were still there.

my doubts about Tyrod's ability to run the WCO stem from the play we have seen from him the past two years. for beginners, he is short for a QB. seeing over his offensive linemen to hit slants is going to be difficult. secondly, he panics in the pocket and often feels phantom pressure causing him to want to bolt and utilize his legs.

then we have the scouting report from his college days that is still as accurate as the day he came out. in it, is says that his accuracy on short/intermediate levels is not very consistent. it also states that his anticipation and ability to 'throw receivers open' is not very good and he doesn't go through his progressions very good. all of which still plague him 6 years later.

these are the reasons why i do not have a whole lot of belief that he will thrive in a pure WCO. now maybe Dennison is not going to run a pure WCO and hopefully will look to tailor the design of the offense to Tyrod's strengths. also, hopefully as the season progresses, i hope that Dennison finds what works and what doesn't, accentuating what does work and flushing what doesn't. i do not mean for this to sound pessimistic as that is not really my nature but if i am being honest, this is what my head tells me from everything we have seen the past two years, the information available and what they are saying they are going to do. one thing should be a sure bet, we are going to see primarily a pass control offense. i expect to see Tyrod put the ball up over 500 times this year.

[Big Gun]

my problem with Tyrod and the WCO.

 

the west coast offense is basically a ball control passing offense. the running backs and tight ends are utilized as much, if not more so than the wide receivers. the design is intended to have the QB under center and to have a three or five step drop with a '21' personnel grouping. most of the routes are timing slants to WR's/TE's and/or swing passes to the backs out of the backfield. this is the hallmark of the 'ball control' aspect of the offense. again, the WCO is designed so that when the QB hits his fifth step he is supposed to release the ball.

 

when the scheme calls for the vertical attack, with the 5 step drop, the QB is supposed to step up in the pocket and move around trying to find his target down field. another aspect is the play action pass that a mobile QB is supposed to be able to excel in. in this play call, the option is an option.

 

i think it is pretty well known that Roman's offense is based upon the WCO and he ran it with great success in San Fran under Harbaugh utilizing Smith. what we saw in Buffalo was slightly different due to the fact that Rex wanted a significant ground game, however the elements of the WCO were still there.

 

my doubts about Tyrod's ability to run the WCO stem from the play we have seen from him the past two years. for beginners, he is short for a QB. seeing over his offensive linemen to hit slants is going to be difficult. secondly, he panics in the pocket and often feels phantom pressure causing him to want to bolt and utilize his legs.

 

then we have the scouting report from his college days that is still as accurate as the day he came out. in it, is says that his accuracy on short/intermediate levels is not very consistent. it also states that his anticipation and ability to 'throw receivers open' is not very good and he doesn't go through his progressions very good. all of which still plague him 6 years later.

 

these are the reasons why i do not have a whole lot of belief that he will thrive in a pure WCO. now maybe Dennison is not going to run a pure WCO and hopefully will look to tailor the design of the offense to Tyrod's strengths. also, hopefully as the season progresses, i hope that Dennison finds what works and what doesn't, accentuating what does work and flushing what doesn't. i do not mean for this to sound pessimistic as that is not really my nature but if i am being honest, this is what my head tells me from everything we have seen the past two years, the information available and what they are saying they are going to do. one thing should be a sure bet, we are going to see primarily a pass control offense. i expect to see Tyrod put the ball up over 500 times this year.

I can agree with this.

 

Tough schedule, Taylor not going to do well in WCO, Bills option to rid Taylor after 1 year, looks to me like a planned 3-13 season and high draft pick for Darnold next year. Tanking without admitting they are tanking. Oh those tricky Bills.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

I can agree with this.

 

Tough schedule, Taylor not going to do well in WCO, Bills option to rid Taylor after 1 year, looks to me like a planned 3-13 season and high draft pick for Darnold next year. Tanking without admitting they are tanking. Oh those tricky Bills.

 

 

I bet my bottom dollar McD is not going to tank. I also do not see a 3-13 season.

 

no, IMO, they contend regardless of schedule and finish above .500, 10-6 and a wildcard.

 

 

tank talk is so weak.

[Foxx]

I bet my bottom dollar McD is not going to tank. I also do not see a 3-13 season.

 

no, IMO, they contend regardless of schedule and finish above .500, 10-6 and a wildcard.

 

 

tank talk is so weak.

i don't know what the final record is going to be, but i don't think tanking is the objective.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

i don't know what the final record is going to be, but i don't think tanking is the objective.

 

I don't know either. I'm just throwing out my opinion. I know one thing. I don't see how any fan can (not saying you Foxx) support tanking with the thought that it would guarantee a draft position the following season? not saying don't draft one, just move up and get him if you want him that badly. it's not like this team or any other has not moved up to get who they want. it's a crap shoot anyway so the best scenario for the team and the fans is go out there and contend for wins. they may still struggle to win or they may rack some wins up but I sure wouldn't want to watch a team I support who intentionally tanks and loses games just for a draft position.

 

 

McD does not give me the impression he would be the type to intentionally lose (tank) football games. he has shown so far that he means business which gives me confidence going in to the season...

Edited April 8, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Figster]

 

 

I bet my bottom dollar McD is not going to tank. I also do not see a 3-13 season.

 

no, IMO, they contend regardless of schedule and finish above .500, 10-6 and a wildcard.

 

 

tank talk is so weak.

 

 

i don't know what the final record is going to be, but i don't think tanking is the objective.

I agree,

 

McDermott is banking his young NFL HC career on Taylor,

 

tanking is not in the plans...

[jeffismagic]

 

 

I agree,

 

McDermott is banking his young NFL HC career on Taylor,

 

tanking is not in the plans...

 

If he does that then he will just be another failed defensive coordinator turned head coach. He should talk to his buddy Leslie Frazier.

[Bill_with_it]

The only thing Jeff Garcia and Tyrod have in common is the ability to make throws on the run. Besides that...nothing. Garcia was smart and made quick decisions. He also had a good feel for the pocket and adjusted to what the defense was giving him. Tyrod is the complete opposite of that.

 

Once again...if this staff thought so highly of Tyrod, they wouldn't have left him in the dark about what the planned on doing with him, and they certainly wouldn't have asked him to take a whole lot less guaranteed money with no assurances that he's on the roster beyond next season.

 

Tyrod is endorsed by this staff because he was the best choice for stability at the position next season at the price they liked. Stability is one thing...liking him as the guy to take them to the promised land is another.

Are you insinuating Tyrod is dumb?

Once again no staff tells the player what they intend to do when there are contract negotiations thats ridiculous for even saying that.

[Bill_with_it]

They have had the opportunity to do so at least twice. Yet they didn't.

 

so..... ask yourself, why is that?

they havent had the chance the first year Tyrod stated he chose Buffalo. I mean I guess you are insinuating they could have held Tyrod hostage pur him in a Broncos uniform and force him to play year before last...

[transplantbillsfan]

my problem with Tyrod and the WCO.

 

the west coast offense is basically a ball control passing offense. the running backs and tight ends are utilized as much, if not more so than the wide receivers. the design is intended to have the QB under center and to have a three or five step drop with a '21' personnel grouping. most of the routes are timing slants to WR's/TE's and/or swing passes to the backs out of the backfield. this is the hallmark of the 'ball control' aspect of the offense. again, the WCO is designed so that when the QB hits his fifth step he is supposed to release the ball.

 

when the scheme calls for the vertical attack, with the 5 step drop, the QB is supposed to step up in the pocket and move around trying to find his target down field. another aspect is the play action pass that a mobile QB is supposed to be able to excel in. in this play call, the option is an option.

 

i think it is pretty well known that Roman's offense is based upon the WCO and he ran it with great success in San Fran under Harbaugh utilizing Smith. what we saw in Buffalo was slightly different due to the fact that Rex wanted a significant ground game, however the elements of the WCO were still there.

 

my doubts about Tyrod's ability to run the WCO stem from the play we have seen from him the past two years. for beginners, he is short for a QB. seeing over his offensive linemen to hit slants is going to be difficult. secondly, he panics in the pocket and often feels phantom pressure causing him to want to bolt and utilize his legs.

 

then we have the scouting report from his college days that is still as accurate as the day he came out. in it, is says that his accuracy on short/intermediate levels is not very consistent. it also states that his anticipation and ability to 'throw receivers open' is not very good and he doesn't go through his progressions very good. all of which still plague him 6 years later.

 

these are the reasons why i do not have a whole lot of belief that he will thrive in a pure WCO. now maybe Dennison is not going to run a pure WCO and hopefully will look to tailor the design of the offense to Tyrod's strengths. also, hopefully as the season progresses, i hope that Dennison finds what works and what doesn't, accentuating what does work and flushing what doesn't. i do not mean for this to sound pessimistic as that is not really my nature but if i am being honest, this is what my head tells me from everything we have seen the past two years, the information available and what they are saying they are going to do. one thing should be a sure bet, we are going to see primarily a pass control offense. i expect to see Tyrod put the ball up over 500 times this year.

I love this post even though I don't agree with all of it

[Big Gun]

 

 

I bet my bottom dollar McD is not going to tank. I also do not see a 3-13 season.

 

no, IMO, they contend regardless of schedule and finish above .500, 10-6 and a wildcard.

 

 

tank talk is so weak.

Yo man, I don't agree with tanking either but it sure does seem like they are up to something, and it isn't +.500 or 10-6. IMO

[John from Riverside]

my problem with Tyrod and the WCO.

 

the west coast offense is basically a ball control passing offense. the running backs and tight ends are utilized as much, if not more so than the wide receivers. the design is intended to have the QB under center and to have a three or five step drop with a '21' personnel grouping. most of the routes are timing slants to WR's/TE's and/or swing passes to the backs out of the backfield. this is the hallmark of the 'ball control' aspect of the offense. again, the WCO is designed so that when the QB hits his fifth step he is supposed to release the ball.

 

when the scheme calls for the vertical attack, with the 5 step drop, the QB is supposed to step up in the pocket and move around trying to find his target down field. another aspect is the play action pass that a mobile QB is supposed to be able to excel in. in this play call, the option is an option.

 

i think it is pretty well known that Roman's offense is based upon the WCO and he ran it with great success in San Fran under Harbaugh utilizing Smith. what we saw in Buffalo was slightly different due to the fact that Rex wanted a significant ground game, however the elements of the WCO were still there.

 

my doubts about Tyrod's ability to run the WCO stem from the play we have seen from him the past two years. for beginners, he is short for a QB. seeing over his offensive linemen to hit slants is going to be difficult. secondly, he panics in the pocket and often feels phantom pressure causing him to want to bolt and utilize his legs.

 

then we have the scouting report from his college days that is still as accurate as the day he came out. in it, is says that his accuracy on short/intermediate levels is not very consistent. it also states that his anticipation and ability to 'throw receivers open' is not very good and he doesn't go through his progressions very good. all of which still plague him 6 years later.

 

these are the reasons why i do not have a whole lot of belief that he will thrive in a pure WCO. now maybe Dennison is not going to run a pure WCO and hopefully will look to tailor the design of the offense to Tyrod's strengths. also, hopefully as the season progresses, i hope that Dennison finds what works and what doesn't, accentuating what does work and flushing what doesn't. i do not mean for this to sound pessimistic as that is not really my nature but if i am being honest, this is what my head tells me from everything we have seen the past two years, the information available and what they are saying they are going to do. one thing should be a sure bet, we are going to see primarily a pass control offense. i expect to see Tyrod put the ball up over 500 times this year.

What a refreshing post worth talking about in a sea of suck that is this thread

 

From day one....Tyrod has been a non conventional qb...a system qb....and to be successful I dont think they will be able to run a pure WCO....the success will come from the ability (or failure) in the ability of the coaches to use TT in a way that gets the most out of the talents he does have.

[transplantbillsfan]

my problem with Tyrod and the WCO.

 

the west coast offense is basically a ball control passing offense. the running backs and tight ends are utilized as much, if not more so than the wide receivers. the design is intended to have the QB under center and to have a three or five step drop with a '21' personnel grouping. most of the routes are timing slants to WR's/TE's and/or swing passes to the backs out of the backfield. this is the hallmark of the 'ball control' aspect of the offense. again, the WCO is designed so that when the QB hits his fifth step he is supposed to release the ball.

 

when the scheme calls for the vertical attack, with the 5 step drop, the QB is supposed to step up in the pocket and move around trying to find his target down field. another aspect is the play action pass that a mobile QB is supposed to be able to excel in. in this play call, the option is an option.

 

i think it is pretty well known that Roman's offense is based upon the WCO and he ran it with great success in San Fran under Harbaugh utilizing Smith. what we saw in Buffalo was slightly different due to the fact that Rex wanted a significant ground game, however the elements of the WCO were still there.

 

my doubts about Tyrod's ability to run the WCO stem from the play we have seen from him the past two years. for beginners, he is short for a QB. seeing over his offensive linemen to hit slants is going to be difficult. secondly, he panics in the pocket and often feels phantom pressure causing him to want to bolt and utilize his legs.

 

then we have the scouting report from his college days that is still as accurate as the day he came out. in it, is says that his accuracy on short/intermediate levels is not very consistent. it also states that his anticipation and ability to 'throw receivers open' is not very good and he doesn't go through his progressions very good. all of which still plague him 6 years later.

 

these are the reasons why i do not have a whole lot of belief that he will thrive in a pure WCO. now maybe Dennison is not going to run a pure WCO and hopefully will look to tailor the design of the offense to Tyrod's strengths. also, hopefully as the season progresses, i hope that Dennison finds what works and what doesn't, accentuating what does work and flushing what doesn't. i do not mean for this to sound pessimistic as that is not really my nature but if i am being honest, this is what my head tells me from everything we have seen the past two years, the information available and what they are saying they are going to do. one thing should be a sure bet, we are going to see primarily a pass control offense. i expect to see Tyrod put the ball up over 500 times this year.

One note in response to a solid post: your concern about him passing from under center on those 5 step drops and play action passes seem to conflict with the aspects of his passing game he's been pretty strong in over the last 2 years.

[transplantbillsfan]

I can agree with this.

 

Tough schedule, Taylor not going to do well in WCO, Bills option to rid Taylor after 1 year, looks to me like a planned 3-13 season and high draft pick for Darnold next year. Tanking without admitting they are tanking. Oh those tricky Bills.

McDermott isn't planning on tanking... I think that's pretty clear considering he convinced Kyle to come back. That alone is pretty solid evidence considering where Kyle is in his career.

 

So if what you're saying is true, our GM allowed our HC to bring back a guy our HC thought he could win with but our GM thought he could not win with.

 

Seems really far fetched, but if true this team might be in serious trouble upstairs...

[John from Riverside]

McDermott isn't planning on tanking... I think that's pretty clear considering he convinced Kyle to come back. That alone is pretty solid evidence considering where Kyle is in his career.

 

So if what you're saying is true, our GM allowed our HC to bring back a guy our HC thought he could win with but our GM thought he could not win with.

 

Seems really far fetched, but if true this team might be in serious trouble upstairs...

Also....Marcel by the shape he came in NON manditory camp is pretty telling as well

 

This team is not planning on tanking this upcoming season

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Yo man, I don't agree with tanking either but it sure does seem like they are up to something, and it isn't +.500 or 10-6. IMO

yo yo. glad you don't agree with tanking, right on. no problem you don't agree with +.500 or 10-6. but man, I can not agree with 3-13.

 

 

all good though, opinions, everybody has one...

[Foxx]

What a refreshing post worth talking about in a sea of suck that is this thread

 

From day one....Tyrod has been a non conventional qb...a system qb....and to be successful I dont think they will be able to run a pure WCO....the success will come from the ability (or failure) in the ability of the coaches to use TT in a way that gets the most out of the talents he does have.

i think one of the best ways to get the most out of his talents is to employ a lot of play-action passing while rolling him out. this way he doesn't have to strain to see over his offensive line and he has always been good throwing on the run. obviously they can't do that on every play, but i think a healthy mix of that combined with the read option off of the play-action and you will be placing Tyrod in the best position to succeed.

[xRUSHx]

Still on a bridge with no exit same old Bills. QB driven league and wishing for a mircle season from some other teams backup QB.

[jeffismagic]

Still on a bridge with no exit same old Bills. QB driven league and wishing for a mircle season from some other teams backup QB.

 

My favorite theory is that Greg Roman and Anthony Lynn were working to hide Tyrod's incredible passing. The third choice on the Bills offensive coordinator chart (the first two turned us down) will unleash the Tyrod in 2017. Go Bills!!!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

 

I agree,

 

McDermott is banking his young NFL HC career on Taylor,

 

tanking is not in the plans...

....can we call the Patriots THE masters of Cheatergates and legitimately talk about "tanking" in the same sentence??...I'\d bet Goodell would love to hand out the inaugural "Tanking Team Of The Year" award at the Pro Bowl......

[Bangarang]

Still on a bridge with no exit same old Bills. QB driven league and wishing for a mircle season from some other teams backup QB.

We could still take a potential QB of the future in a few weeks. Keeping Tyrod doesn't mean McD and Whaley are content with him long term.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

We could still take a potential QB of the future in a few weeks. Keeping Tyrod doesn't mean McD and Whaley are content with him long term.

....still struggling with processing the field after 6 years does not leave me with a confident outlook that his gray matter is "re-trainable".....how do you stop his propensity to depend on his wheels as the STEADY escape route?.....should be an ADDED dimension and not THE dimension........what happens when he gets KO'ed?....."run and done"?.....may have to add on to 17 years and waiting.....stay tuned............

[3rdand12]

Good for you if you believe that. Who am I to tell you that you shouldn't?

 

We should all believe what we want to. Some choose to look at facts and base their beliefs on that, and others believe blindly or out of pure emotion.

 

Whatever the reason...believe in what you wish to.

 

And contrary to some posters here, I would welcome a scenario like the one you envision. I just don't believe in it.

Fair post crusher

my problem with Tyrod and the WCO.

 

the west coast offense is basically a ball control passing offense. the running backs and tight ends are utilized as much, if not more so than the wide receivers. the design is intended to have the QB under center and to have a three or five step drop with a '21' personnel grouping. most of the routes are timing slants to WR's/TE's and/or swing passes to the backs out of the backfield. this is the hallmark of the 'ball control' aspect of the offense. again, the WCO is designed so that when the QB hits his fifth step he is supposed to release the ball.

 

when the scheme calls for the vertical attack, with the 5 step drop, the QB is supposed to step up in the pocket and move around trying to find his target down field. another aspect is the play action pass that a mobile QB is supposed to be able to excel in. in this play call, the option is an option.

 

i think it is pretty well known that Roman's offense is based upon the WCO and he ran it with great success in San Fran under Harbaugh utilizing Smith. what we saw in Buffalo was slightly different due to the fact that Rex wanted a significant ground game, however the elements of the WCO were still there.

 

my doubts about Tyrod's ability to run the WCO stem from the play we have seen from him the past two years. for beginners, he is short for a QB. seeing over his offensive linemen to hit slants is going to be difficult. secondly, he panics in the pocket and often feels phantom pressure causing him to want to bolt and utilize his legs.

 

then we have the scouting report from his college days that is still as accurate as the day he came out. in it, is says that his accuracy on short/intermediate levels is not very consistent. it also states that his anticipation and ability to 'throw receivers open' is not very good and he doesn't go through his progressions very good. all of which still plague him 6 years later.

 

these are the reasons why i do not have a whole lot of belief that he will thrive in a pure WCO. now maybe Dennison is not going to run a pure WCO and hopefully will look to tailor the design of the offense to Tyrod's strengths. also, hopefully as the season progresses, i hope that Dennison finds what works and what doesn't, accentuating what does work and flushing what doesn't. i do not mean for this to sound pessimistic as that is not really my nature but if i am being honest, this is what my head tells me from everything we have seen the past two years, the information available and what they are saying they are going to do. one thing should be a sure bet, we are going to see primarily a pass control offense. i expect to see Tyrod put the ball up over 500 times this year.

very good reading for me and some thoughts worth digesting over here.

Thanks for the posting !

[Figster]

....still struggling with processing the field after 6 years does not leave me with a confident outlook that his gray matter is "re-trainable".....how do you stop his propensity to depend on his wheels as the STEADY escape route?.....should be an ADDED dimension and not THE dimension........what happens when he gets KO'ed?....."run and done"?.....may have to add on to 17 years and waiting.....stay tuned............

A more user friendly O and bigger, more physical playmakers thats how AFL

 

Fair post crusher

very good reading for me and some thoughts worth digesting over here.

Thanks for the posting !

Crusher catches allot of grief for being honest, good poster.

 

Nice post Foxx...

[3rdand12]

....still struggling with processing the field after 6 years does not leave me with a confident outlook that his gray matter is "re-trainable".....how do you stop his propensity to depend on his wheels as the STEADY escape route?.....should be an ADDED dimension and not THE dimension........what happens when he gets KO'ed?....."run and done"?.....may have to add on to 17 years and waiting.....stay tuned............

Coaching. that will be the difference if he is to show better on the field.

I have only one opinion about that. Bills seem to want to see what Tyrod can do for them and they him.

 

Seems like fun to me !

New Bills seem to have a firm plan so far and seem to be thinking long term. Draft will be telling this year about what the McD plan is. How he fills the roster out.

I have some faith in Whaley that he does offer players up to his Coaches preferences. Let's see what he does to shape the team. and whether they grab a QB and when.

If they think they can be competitive with Taylor? Then so will I. Till otherwise notified at least

A more user friendly O and bigger, more physical playmakers thats how AFL

 

Crusher catches allot of grief for being honest, good poster.

 

Nice post Foxx...

The one reason i am ready to accept Howard as our first pick. Be a McD pick i think?

[BillsFan4]

Still on a bridge with no exit same old Bills. QB driven league and wishing for a mircle season from some other teams backup QB.

What better QB was there to replace him with this year? There was no better free agents, and every QB in this draft is said to be at least a year or two away from being ready to start.

 

Most NFL coaches don't have much of any interest in putting all their eggs in one basket and tying their entire head coaching career to some totally raw rookie QB coming from a college program where they've never had to call plays, read defenses or do many of the other things pro QBs are asked to do.

 

A rookie who isn't even on the roster yet, mind you, and the Bills have no idea how the draft will unfold - who will be on their board when they pick. They probably didn't want to be absolutely forced to reach for whatever project QB is on their board for them at #10 this year either. Nothing at all wrong with that.

 

 

I know you think that the Bills (and McDermott's) best option was to draft 2 rookie QBs this year (a 1st rounder and a later rounder) and let them all battle it out, and then draft another 1st round QB next year and do the same. But as many have said to you, that is just not a realistic plan. No teams do that because no coach wants his entire coaching career riding on a bunch of rookie QBs.

McDermott feels that Tyrod will keep the Bills competitive until they find their true franchise QB. Oh the horror...

 

 

I have faith McDermott and the Bills will address the QB position in a meaningful way within the next 2 seasons. He may choose to wait until next season, when he's had a chance to truly evaluate his team/roster, which is ok with me if that's what happens. But Tyrod's 2 year bridge deal tells me they will most likely add a QB this year or next (unless Tyrod somehow takes a huge step forward).

Edited April 9, 2017 by BillsFan4

[John from Riverside]

i think one of the best ways to get the most out of his talents is to employ a lot of play-action passing while rolling him out. this way he doesn't have to strain to see over his offensive line and he has always been good throwing on the run. obviously they can't do that on every play, but i think a healthy mix of that combined with the read option off of the play-action and you will be placing Tyrod in the best position to succeed.

agreed

[jeffismagic]

What better QB was there to replace him with this year? There was no better free agents, and every QB in this draft is said to be at least a year or two away from being ready to start.

 

Most NFL coaches don't have much of any interest in putting all their eggs in one basket and tying their entire head coaching career to some totally raw rookie QB coming from a college program where they've never had to call plays, read defenses or do many of the other things pro QBs are asked to do.

 

A rookie who isn't even on the roster yet, mind you, and the Bills have no idea how the draft will unfold - who will be on their board when they pick. They probably didn't want to be absolutely forced to reach for whatever project QB is on their board for them at #10 this year either. Nothing at all wrong with that.

 

 

I know you think that the Bills (and McDermott's) best option was to draft 2 rookie QBs this year (a 1st rounder and a later rounder) and let them all battle it out, and then draft another 1st round QB next year and do the same. But as many have said to you, that is just not a realistic plan. No teams do that because no coach wants his entire coaching career riding on a bunch of rookie QBs.

McDermott feels that Tyrod will keep the Bills competitive until they find their true franchise QB. Oh the horror...

 

 

I have faith McDermott and the Bills will address the QB position in a meaningful way within the next 2 seasons. He may choose to wait until next season, when he's had a chance to truly evaluate his team/roster, which is ok with me if that's what happens. But Tyrod's 2 year bridge deal tells me they will most likely add a QB this year or next (unless Tyrod somehow takes a huge step forward).

 

Based on what? Just curious.

[BillsFan4]

Based on what? Just curious.

Based on Tyrod's restructured contract (I'm not even convinced they bring him back next year at his $18M cap hit as it sits currently), and on only having Tyrod and Cardale on the roster.

 

Unless Tyrod somehow proves he is the long term answer this season or Cardale somehow develops into a legit starting QB by next season, I believe the Bills will address the QB position in the draft.

 

Obviously it's just my opinion, but that is my guess as of right now.

 

I also have very high hopes for Sean McDermott. I have been a fan of his for years. So maybe I am putting too much faith in him because of that. But as of now I am willing to let the next couple seasons play out before I freak out on McDermott for not immediately ditching Tyrod and addressing the QB situation in the 1st round this year. It probably helps that I am not real high on is year's QB class either...

[jeffismagic]

Based on Tyrod's restructured contract (I'm not even convinced they bring him back next year at his $18M cap hit as it sits currently), and on only having Tyrod and Cardale on the roster.

 

Unless Tyrod somehow proves he is the long term answer this season or Cardale somehow develops into a legit starting QB by next season, I believe the Bills will address the QB position in the draft.

 

Obviously it's just my opinion, but that is my guess as of right now.

 

I also have very high hopes for Sean McDermott. I have been a fan of his for years. So maybe I am putting too much faith in him because of that. But as of now I am willing to let the next couple seasons play out before I freak out on McDermott for not immediately ditching Tyrod and addressing the QB situation in the 1st round this year. It probably helps that I am not real high on is year's QB class either...

 

Actually, there is plenty of tape on Tyrod and the Bills have never shown much urgency at the QB position. It's always an afterthought. Tyrod's contract goes to 18 million next year. If they cut him that's 6 million of dead cap.

 

And that assumes they have drafted and developed a QB. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

McDermott has never been a head coach or general manager. As a defensive coordinator he ran a bland 4-3 zone scheme. I see nothing to get excited over and there are now red flags that he is too conservative. The Tyrod signing screams fear to me and someone not comfortable in his role here.

Edited April 9, 2017 by jeffismagic

[xRUSHx]

We could still take a potential QB of the future in a few weeks. Keeping Tyrod doesn't mean McD and Whaley are content with him long term.

Hey I agree they could but....

So many years of Whaley make me feel like Tyrod is who they will build around and maybe a very late rounder to sit around with CJ. I just don't see a top pick this year or next all I see is Chan/Fitz all over again with this staff. I will watch the draft with high hopes but sadly I have serous doubts. Got my fingers crossed but expected the same old Whaley. I'm at the point of counting the days of Whaley being fired I'm so sick of his QB purgatory in this QB driven league with so many failed playoff seasons using other teams backups with these staffs over and over again. Can't believe I still have my season tickets should just dump them till 2019 when Whaley is fired. I like your comment and I will hope you are right OTHERWISE it will be a long 2 years.

[BillsFan4]

Actually, there is plenty of tape on Tyrod and the Bills have never shown much urgency at the QB position. It's always an afterthought. Tyrod's contract goes to 18 million next year. If they cut him that's 6 million of dead cap.

 

And that assumes they have drafted and developed a QB. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

McDermott has never been a head coach or general manager. As a defensive coordinator he ran a bland 4-3 zone scheme. I see nothing to get excited over and there are now red flags that he is too conservative. The Tyrod signing screams fear to me and someone not comfortable in his role here.

For some reason I thought there was no dead cap hit if Tyrod was released after this season. But you are right, there is. Its a $8.6M dead cap hit (or less spread out longer if designated post June 1st). So it does seem more likely Tyrod is back next year, then.

I still feel they will most likely draft a QB this year or next though. Even if we don't draft one until next year, that gives them a full season to begin developing that QB (or 2 season if they draft 1 this year, or put that effort into developing Cardale).

 

 

As for McDermott, he has had a top 10 defense 4 of the past 5 years. I don't think it was as bland as you, but if bland gets the Bills a top 10 defense most seasons, I will take it.

I also believe he has a lot of the traits you look for in successful head coaches. He's also a Jim Johnson disciple, and says himself that he is aggressive, so I don't see where he will be too conservative. If you're referring to Leslie Frazier, I understand the concern with him. But he will be running McDermott's d scheme, not his own. But we will see I guess...

He's a first time HC though, so none of us know if he will work out or not. But I love (most of) the staff he has put together, and I have much higher hopes for him than I have for Rex or Marrone or Gailey or Jauron (etc).

 

I don't get why the Tyrod signing screams he's not comfortable in his role? Tyrod gives the Bills the best chance at winning next season out of all the options available (like him or not, he has had a top 12 scoring offense in both of his seasons as starting QB). Winning is how head coaches keep their job. It also seems to me that many head coaches have little interest in banking their entire career's on unproven rookie QBs (and that rookie hasn't even been drafted yet, unless you think he should have put his money on Cardale) except if that QB is more of a sure thing, top 3 pick type rookie QB.

He is a first time HC. He doesn't have a winning track record and good will built up with the fans. The best way to ensure his job security is to win as many games as possible this season. Tyrod gives us a better chance at that than a raw, rookie project QB from this year's draft. I'd rather keep Tyrod and make a drafted QB legitimately earn the starting job.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

Actually, there is plenty of tape on Tyrod and the Bills have never shown much urgency at the QB position. It's always an afterthought. Tyrod's contract goes to 18 million next year. If they cut him that's 6 million of dead cap.

 

And that assumes they have drafted and developed a QB. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

McDermott has never been a head coach or general manager. As a defensive coordinator he ran a bland 4-3 zone scheme. I see nothing to get excited over and there are now red flags that he is too conservative. The Tyrod signing screams fear to me and someone not comfortable in his role here.

 

 

never being a HC does not mean he wont have success. they all get their start somewhere and you have no clue whether he fails or succeeds anymore than I do. where do you get he's not comfortable in his role from?

 

 

I know, because you post it, it must be true.

Edited April 9, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Figster]

Coaching. that will be the difference if he is to show better on the field.

I have only one opinion about that. Bills seem to want to see what Tyrod can do for them and they him.

 

Seems like fun to me !

New Bills seem to have a firm plan so far and seem to be thinking long term. Draft will be telling this year about what the McD plan is. How he fills the roster out.

I have some faith in Whaley that he does offer players up to his Coaches preferences. Let's see what he does to shape the team. and whether they grab a QB and when.

If they think they can be competitive with Taylor? Then so will I. Till otherwise notified at least

The one reason i am ready to accept Howard as our first pick. Be a McD pick i think?

I have wanted an elite TE in Buffalo for so long 3rd we could be picking 5th and I would draft OJ

[jeffismagic]

 

 

never being a HC does not mean he wont have success. they all get their start somewhere and you have no clue whether he fails or succeeds anymore than I do. where do you get he's not comfortable in his role from?

 

 

I know, because you post it, it must be true.

 

You are optimistic, that's great. He just does not inspire confidence in me. It also is important to note that the Pegulas made the hire. Their track record is horrendous so far. 0-6 with Bylsma soon to make that 0 for 7.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

You are optimistic, that's great. He just does not inspire confidence in me. It also is important to note that the Pegulas made the hire. Their track record is horrendous so far. 0-6 with Bylsma soon to make that 0 for 7.

 

 

cautiously optimistic. willing to give him a chance before proclaiming failure. makes watching the game more interesting. if I knew or proclaimed failure whether a player or coach, looking for failure, I wouldn't even waste my time watching the game...