Blokestradamus Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 He got just a 2-year $5M deal? Phew! It's a no-brainer that you match it. Don't even need to (ahem) cut Wood. But if you wanted to, you could cut him with a post June 1st designation and save yourself $2m this year after the cost of Groy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 its Jim Overdorf who does it. Why the snark?gotta get shots in on whaley no matter what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 For all the cut wood guys, do you realize that would leave 4.3 million in dead money this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No-brainer to match that deal, imo. Rams just did the negotiating for us. Sign him and move forward. Exactly why I don't understand the over reaction. If no other team produces an offer, the Bills get a bargain. If he does get an offer, they match. In this case the higher tender was exceeded so it was a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Nice job Whaley. Real, clear thinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Exactly why I don't understand the over reaction. If no other team produces an offer, the Bills get a bargain. If he does get an offer, they match. In this case the higher tender was exceeded so it was a moot point. Because the only thing Bils fans like more than winning is complaining. Granted, the Bills haven't given us much winning, but you'd think the fans would be able to stick to the things that are valid to complain about... For all the cut wood guys, do you realize that would leave 4.3 million in dead money this year? Right? Not worth it. Plus, Bills fans still need to learn that we can have more than 1 nice thing. It doesnt always have to be either/or. You can afford both and have nice depth! Nice job Whaley. Real, clear thinker. Exactly. Looks like he pulled the plan off perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 For all the cut wood guys, do you realize that would leave 4.3 million in dead money this year? Post June 1st, that goes down to $3 million. A net saving of $4.5m. He's already on the cap for 2018 for $1.25m as it is so kicking a little more down the line, to a year where we have more space, isn't the worst idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 hahahahahah all these comp pic complainers are killing me..just make the roster better Okay, this argument is becoming so absurd. First of all, most of the free agents we signed have not made our roster better. Secondly, we gave up draft picks to sign them. Acquiring draft picks is the best way to improve the roster in the long term. It's really that simple, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Wood could play quite a few more years. Not sure why we are quick to show him the door. Because his play is declining? Did you notice a drop off when Groy took over last season? I love Wood's attitude, commitment to the community, etc., but I'm not so sure he's a top quality C yet he's being paid like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Exactly why I don't understand the over reaction. If no other team produces an offer, the Bills get a bargain. If he does get an offer, they match. In this case the higher tender was exceeded so it was a moot point. There is a third option. If a team gives him a contract that we don't want to match, we get nothing in return. Giving him a higher tender means that we would get a draft pick in return. And we still don't risk anything because his offer sheet was obviously going to be similar to the tender price. We literally can't lose if we give him a higher round tender, and we get a draft pick if we don't match. In this case, we get nothing if we don't match. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 There is a third option. If a team gives him a contract that we don't want to match, we get nothing in return. Giving him a higher tender means that we would get a draft pick in return. And we still don't risk anything because his offer sheet was obviously going to be similar to the tender price. We literally can't lose if we give him a higher round tender, and we get a draft pick if we don't match. In this case, we get nothing if we don't match. Again. And yet based on reality and the actual offer he was given, it looks like the Bills assigned him the correct value. Another team did make him an offer, and it is even less than what the higher tender would have cost us. So now we get to keep him at a discounted rate because, again, the Bills properly assessed his market value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) There is a third option. If a team gives him a contract that we don't want to match, we get nothing in return. Giving him a higher tender means that we would get a draft pick in return. And we still don't risk anything because his offer sheet was obviously going to be similar to the tender price. We literally can't lose if we give him a higher round tender, and we get a draft pick if we don't match. In this case, we get nothing if we don't match. Again. this was already explained earlier. The reason teams don't give backups higher round tenders is because it hurts negotiations when they try to sign him long term. No one is going to give up a 2nd round pick, first of all, to sign a backup OL who was a UDFA. Or even a 5th. You aren't getting a pick for him. So if you do that, his agent is automatically jetting up his value by you setting the parameters so high. They did it exactly right per the value of the player. They knew it was highly unlikely he would get a big offer sheet. They know the value of the player. Edited March 14, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 this was already explained earlier. The reason teams don't give backups higher round tenders is because it hurts negotiations when they try to sign him long term. No one is going to give up a 2nd round pick, first of all, to sign a backup OL who was a UDFA. Or even a 5th. You aren't getting a pick for him. So if you do that, his agent is automatically jetting up his value by you setting the parameters so high. They did it exactly right per the value of the player. They knew it was highly unlikely he would get a big offer sheet. They know the value of the player. Boom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Mueller Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 But if we match it we'll be giving up a 9th round comp pick in the year 3179. Can't have that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Losing organizations make decisions like letting Groy go while keeping Wood. Wood is a fan favorite, to include me, but the smart decision would be to keep Groy over Wood....that is if they can't keep both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) And yet based on reality and the actual offer he was given, it looks like the Bills assigned him the correct value. Another team did make him an offer, and it is even less than what the higher tender would have cost us. So now we get to keep him at a discounted rate because, again, the Bills properly assessed his market value. From Bills Wire: "With the roster bonus, Groy would be making $2.5 million in 2017, which is nearly $250,000 less than the second round tag for restricted free agents, had Buffalo chosen to use it." So, for a possible $250,000 we could have secured a starter or gained a second round pick. That's a no-brainer. Edited March 14, 2017 by MPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 From Bills Wire: "With the roster bonus, Groy would be making $2.5 million in 2017, which is nearly $250,000 less than the second round tag for restricted free agents, had Buffalo chosen to use it." So, for a possible $250,000 we could have secured a starter or gained a second round pick. That's a no-brainer. No, because then we wouldnt have gotten ANY offers onhim since no one in their right mind is giving up a 2nd round pick for Groy. It simply isnt going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) How did Groy play in the final game vs the Jets, when the Jets were facing a non-weird and mostly pocket qb? My recollection is not well, and that might be a sign that playing in front of a qb like Taylor masked the reasons why he went undrafted. My memory might be faulty, however. Edited March 14, 2017 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I'm glad he got this low-ball offer. We can sign him then won't have to worry about him getting a serious offer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Richie Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Ok.....If the Rams were offering Groy in trade for Wood, how many of you would jump on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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