Maury Ballstein Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Late Butt > Early Howard. Qb qb qb qb or qb at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffuct Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 two te sets does not mean they have to throw over the middle just go the same way tt is running duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No thanks. We don't need a second tight end when we already fail to utilize the first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 6-6 250lbs 4.50 40yd Best stats were in big games. Under utilized in run heavy system. Could've put up better numbers. Comes from winning program. I think he's a legit option. Tons of WRs and DBs later on. Deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I just talked to the person who told me he loved Dak Prescott last year. He loves Mahomes so much he would still draft him if he already had Dak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) I think the Bills hope to trade down from 10 and are leaking the "Whaley loves OJ Howard" stuff to spark interest from a team who wants him to trade up to get him. This is the 2nd time this has been reported by a national media draft guy - the first time was at the Senior Bowl. He's one of the elite talents in the draft. However I don't think the Bills have the luxury to take him and moreso need an extra 2nd rd pick, therefore would trade down in order to try to grab 3 players in the first 2 rounds, and possibly recoup their 4th as well depending on how far up the partner team is trading. Edited March 14, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I am a fan of OJ Howard and have seen every game in which he has appeared. He has fresh legs because there were always so many weapons on the Tide that he wasn't used an awful lot. He is big, fast, gets open and has very good hands. His blocking continues to improve as well. Despite the above, #10 is a tad early imo. If a solid, playoff team thinks it needs a TE to get to the next level I would understand. The Bills have too many needs to take a TE that early. I also don't think he will go that soon. Probably between 15 and 25 but of course I am just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 There's a real possibility that Adams, Hooker, Foster, Allen and Lattimore are all of the board at ten (I hope not,but they might be) so Howard could really be BPA along with Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) There's a real possibility that Adams, Hooker, Foster, Allen and Lattimore are all of the board at ten (I hope not,but they might be) so Howard could really be BPA along with Davis. I think it's a pretty safe bet that all of those guys are gone by the 10th pick. Howard has talent, but we already have one tight end who we under utilize so I don't see the logic in adding another one with the 10th overall pick. This draft is super deep at TE, so we can find a complimentary piece in the mid to late rounds. What we need is a wide receiver. We have Sammy Watkins and then a bunch of camp fodder behind him. If Watkins gets hurt, our passing game is completely screwed. Edited March 14, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I just talked to the person who told me he loved Dak Prescott last year. He loves Mahomes so much he would still draft him if he already had Dak. Run to the podium then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Run to the podium then. No, Bills fans want another tight end that Tyrod won't throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Drafting another receiving threat with a top 10 pick, without a QB who can throw the ball, is a complete waste of a pick. i.e. Sammy Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Drafting another receiving threat with a top 10 pick, without a QB who can throw the ball, is a complete waste of a pick. i.e. Sammy Watkins In 2015 when Watkins was actually healthy Taylor had no problem getting him the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 In 2015 when Watkins was actually healthy Taylor had no problem getting him the ball. You mean that whopping 60 catch season he had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) You mean that whopping 60 catch season he had? That's right. 60 catches in 13 games for 1,047 yards and 9 TDs. Extrapolate those numbers over a 16 game season and you're looking at 74 catches, 1,288 yards and 11 TDs. Edited March 14, 2017 by jrober38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 You mean that whopping 60 catch season he had? 36% of the teams catches from Tyrod. Sammy missed a few games and so did Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No, Bills fans want another tight end that Tyrod won't throw to. I don't think you can say that we're set at TE with clay - the depth behind him is very lacking. So lacking that we used Groy/Kounadjo as a 6th o-lineman an alarming amount in non-short yardage situations. As of right now we don't have a ton of red-zone contributors. I get what you're saying that if you love mahomes you take him etc - but if you're trying to make the playoffs this year he doesn't help you in the slightest. I say draft him if he's like... leaps and bounds at the top of your draft board, however if he isn't I don't think you can avoid glaring holes to grab a 3rd QB in the first. Especially if a top end talented safety, corner, WR, or TE is there. If Tyrod isn't the QB of the future - why does it matter how Tyrod will use him? He won't even be the QB for more than a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 That's right. 60 catches in 13 games for 1,047 yards and 9 TDs. Extrapolate those numbers over a 16 game season and you're looking at 74 catches, 1,288 yards and 11 TDs. I don't want to hear about potential stats from the games where Watkins isn't healthy...for the second year in a row. That's all crystal ball stuff. Bottom line...last two years combined...88 catches, and 11 games missed due to injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The history of tight ends drafted in that neighborhood is not good. Not good, at all. Not sure where you're getting that idea. 1st round TE's are the least likely busts of any position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I don't want to hear about potential stats from the games where Watkins isn't healthy...for the second year in a row. That's all crystal ball stuff. Bottom line...last two years combined...88 catches, and 11 games missed due to injuries. LOL Watkins missed 11 games over that span and was at far less than 100% for several others. It's hard for Taylor to throw him the ball if he's not on the field... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I don't think you can say that we're set at TE with clay - the depth behind him is very lacking. So lacking that we used Groy/Kounadjo as a 6th o-lineman an alarming amount in non-short yardage situations. As of right now we don't have a ton of red-zone contributors. I get what you're saying that if you love mahomes you take him etc - but if you're trying to make the playoffs this year he doesn't help you in the slightest. I say draft him if he's like... leaps and bounds at the top of your draft board, however if he isn't I don't think you can avoid glaring holes to grab a 3rd QB in the first. Especially if a top end talented safety, corner, WR, or TE is there. If Tyrod isn't the QB of the future - why does it matter how Tyrod will use him? He won't even be the QB for more than a year or two. Who says we draft the 3rd QB off the board? I expect Trubisky to go top 5 and Mahomes to be sitting there at 10. I rank Mahomes as QB 1 in this draft so I take him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I have heard from my sources they're going in the defensive backfield with the first selection. WR is the 3rd and beyond they don't value that as much if a need as the fans do. I would like to see WR being more valued, but according to my sources they are focusing on S/DB. I hope you're wrong given how very deep DB is supposed to be this year. TE is deep too though. I wouldn't hate taking Howard though - he seems well beyond the rest. WR is the position of need and less depth - seems like a no-brainer if one of the top 2 guys gets to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 would rather trade down and get him. Still haven't seen an example where a top 10 TE works out well. Also worried about Tyrod's ability to get him the ball. TT does best with fast WRs that can work outside the numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffuct Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 catch radius !!!!! tt or wr is what we need at ten especialy with sammy and his history and tyrods arm. then cb second if position is deep ,not a college guy so i got no names but i'm sure some of you do. who would be there at 44? looks like we are gonna need some OL help now but rest of draft should be defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Next Greg Olsen. He and Sammy would eat, forget the rest of the WR corp. Sammy, Shady, OJ, Clay and TT present matchup issues. If he's there at 10 and they don't take him, Bills will rue the day they pass on OJ. Edited March 14, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I've wanted Davis at 10 even before the combine and all. However the more I read about this kid the more I'm liking him. Huge target, good hands, good blocker. I have to say I would be perfectly fine if Howard is the pick at 10. I would like either, Davis or Howard at 10 and would consider either a great pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Book on O.J. Howard: Most complete TE prospect in 10 years http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000793010/article/book-on-oj-howard-most-complete-te-prospect-in-10-years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Matt MillerVerified account @nfldraftscout 30m30 minutes ago Howard: Total package. Excellent blocker. Freak speed/length. Can move around formation. Never featured/never pouted. A+ TE. Top 10 player. Edited March 16, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 What are the chances Howard goes before any other pass-catcher and actually goes before 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Next Greg Olsen. He and Sammy would eat, forget the rest of the WR corp. Sammy, Shady, OJ, Clay and TT present matchup issues. If he's there at 10 and they don't take him, Bills will rue the day they pass on OJ. Matchup issues indeed. I could actually see us doing what NE*** does with their two TE sets by catching teams in bad sub packages and going up tempo. Play small and we line up tight and run you into the ground; play big to stop the run and we flex both TEs to pressure your coverage packages. The more I think about it, the more I like this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 What are the chances Howard goes before any other pass-catcher and actually goes before 10?i think Jan could take him before we do. They need a TE or RB, it's either him or Fournette imo. They draft at 4 but could see them trading down from 5-9 and taking one or the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Borgia Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Matchup issues indeed. I could actually see us doing what NE*** does with their two TE sets by catching teams in bad sub packages and going up tempo. Play small and we line up tight and run you into the ground; play big to stop the run and we flex both TEs to pressure your coverage packages. The more I think about it, the more I like this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Haha. Haven't seen that posted here in years. But my handle has nothing to do with cops and dogs. Nothing at all. Decades ago it was my call sign with my local bookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo044 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The only thing that concerns me about OJ is his lack of stats at Alabama. 114 catches and 7 td's in FOUR years of college. Different position, I know, but Davis had better stats in his SR year than OJ had over all 4 years. Guessing he was severely underutilized at Alabama?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Trade down, some team will want this looser, so trade down and pick up more draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The only thing that concerns me about OJ is his lack of stats at Alabama. 114 catches and 7 td's in FOUR years of college. Different position, I know, but Davis had better stats in his SR year than OJ had over all 4 years. Guessing he was severely underutilized at Alabama??yes, he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Matt MillerVerified account @nfldraftscout 30m30 minutes ago Howard: Total package. Excellent blocker. Freak speed/length. Can move around formation. Never featured/never pouted. A+ TE. Top 10 player. The Bills can draft him so he can party with Dareus. Pot and pizza party. right...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The Bills can draft him so he can party with Dareus. Pot and pizza party. right......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Borgia Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Trade down, some team will want this looser, so trade down and pick up more draft picks. What's a "looser?" Is that another word for Cheektowagan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Alabama pot head party. Good for at least 6 game suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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