Oxrock Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Oh, please. You've never been ANYTHING but a far left sheep. I know you pretend for the sake of making a point, but your posting history and political philosophy is SO clearly the byproduct of a Bernie/Liz/Obama three-way, that no one believes you've ever been anything but a Dead Dog SoProg. I have a co-worker at the paying job who says "I'm a Reuplican! I voted for Reagan!" then voted for Obama twice and Hillary. He still swears he's a Republican. I have to remind him a hell of a lot of Democrats voted for Reagan too. He's a leftist. Me? Well I still lurk here (ever since BBMB killed the political conversations - heh... now they've killed the entire BBMB). I even stalked DC Tom on twitter once. Don't remember when or why I knew it was him commenting a tweet from someone we had been following in common... but I knew it was him. Found FIL2 the other day. He's become a disillusioned democrat like some of the other posters here. At the moment I can't remember his blog name. As for myself, I didn't vote for President for the first time in my adult life. I consistently score "right leaning libertarian" on most political quizzes. Frank (FIL2) would be surprised on some of my moderated views - Fiscally Conservative/Socially libertarian. Looking back, I should have voted for that RINO Donald Trump. I am more aligned with his views than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Talking snakes, virgin births, living inside of a whale, and getting at least two of every creature on earth to !@#$ on a boat doesn't sound like a strong factual basis to me. Sounds more like Aesop's Fables. Why are ridiculing stories from the Koran? Do you hate Muslims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Why are ridiculing stories from the Koran? Do you hate Muslims? If talking snakes are in both the Bible and Koran it is possible that somewhere in the ancient land there was once a natural source of silica gel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Why are ridiculing stories from the Koran? Do you hate Muslims? I haven't read the Koran so I'm not familiar with their particular brand of crazy voodoo. If they have the same type of nonsense in their book though I'd be happy to ridicule it as well. The 72 virgins part sounds ridiculous (almost as if the upper crusties who wrote their book negotiated over the number rather than it be divinely inspired) and I don't care for the way some of them make women wear beekeeper suits. They go apeshit when you draw their imaginary friend which is pretty stupid as well but that's about all I know about them. I'm not afraid to ridicule them whatsoever though. The sooner mankind gets over this nonsense the sooner we can move forward as a species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Unlike global warming cooling climate change, which is all nonsense. Think about it. A bunch of people making up fairy tales to make it seem like man literally has the ability to alter world atmosphere just by burning a few things...all to the extent that it can not only trigger earthquakes and snowstorms, but literally be the cause of all terrorism in the world. Wow. Real boogy man stuff there. No wonder there's so much money in it. I can't access youtube at work but type George Carlin religion is bull **** into google and the video should come up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I can't access youtube at work but type George Carlin religion is bull **** into google and the video should come up. I bet you get your news from the Daily Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I haven't read the Koran so I'm not familiar with their particular brand of crazy voodoo. If they have the same type of nonsense in their book though I'd be happy to ridicule it as well. The 72 virgins part sounds ridiculous (almost as if the upper crusties who wrote their book negotiated over the number rather than it be divinely inspired) and I don't care for the way some of them make women wear beekeeper suits. They go apeshit when you draw their imaginary friend which is pretty stupid as well but that's about all I know about them. I'm not afraid to ridicule them whatsoever though. The sooner mankind gets over this nonsense the sooner we can move forward as a species. Mohammed was imaginary? Was George Washington too? Because nobody has ever seen his home movies from his vacations to Cape Cod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Mohammed was imaginary? Was George Washington too? Because nobody has ever seen his home movies from his vacations to Cape Cod. I thought it was drawing Allah that was forbidden? Shows you how little I know about their version of voodoo. That's why I prefer to poke fun at Christianity. I grew up with that nonsense so I'm more familiar with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I know. why do liberal piles of dung always think race matters? Is race more important than religion? What about sex? What if a trans Rachel dolizol converted to Islam? Would we cheer her story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 why do liberal piles of dung always think race matters? Is race more important than religion? What about sex? What if a trans Rachel dolizol converted to Islam? Would we cheer her story? Don't ask a liberal for sex if you don't intend to go through with it. There's nothing worse than a wailing, disappointed, spurned liberal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I bet you get your news from the Daily Show. I watch a little bit of everything, even Fox News, but haven't watched the Daily Show nearly as much since Jon Stewart left (Trevor Noah just isn't as funny in my opinion). I even listen to some of the right wing radio guys for a laugh, although it was much funnier while the muslim Kenyan was still in office. Hearing guys like Michael Savage cry wolf about how Obama has effectively turned the United States into the Soviet Union in one breath then berating him for being impotent and incompetent in the next breath. How a leader can be so incompetent, yet effective at turning the Republic into a socialist state is the epitome of talking out of both sides of your mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I have a co-worker at the paying job who says "I'm a Reuplican! I voted for Reagan!" then voted for Obama twice and Hillary. He still swears he's a Republican. I have to remind him a hell of a lot of Democrats voted for Reagan too. He's a leftist. Me? Well I still lurk here (ever since BBMB killed the political conversations - heh... now they've killed the entire BBMB). I even stalked DC Tom on twitter once. Don't remember when or why I knew it was him commenting a tweet from someone we had been following in common... but I knew it was him. Found FIL2 the other day. He's become a disillusioned democrat like some of the other posters here. At the moment I can't remember his blog name. As for myself, I didn't vote for President for the first time in my adult life. I consistently score "right leaning libertarian" on most political quizzes. Frank (FIL2) would be surprised on some of my moderated views - Fiscally Conservative/Socially libertarian. Looking back, I should have voted for that RINO Donald Trump. I am more aligned with his views than I thought. "Stalked?" You tweeted me twice in a year. Mohammed was imaginary? Was George Washington too? Because nobody has ever seen his home movies from his vacations to Cape Cod. You know who else was imaginary? Henry V. Because The Tempest was obvious bull ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richstadiumowner Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Are you by any chance familiar with the concepts of allegory and metaphor? Oh sure liberals maybe can't name the concept but they're all about pretending they're stupid to make themselves feel smart. Probably comes from being overloaded with cognitive dissonance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 (edited) why do liberal piles of dung always think race matters? Is race more important than religion? What about sex? What if a trans Rachel dolizol converted to Islam? Would we cheer her story? It goes Race > Religion > Sex. Unless the race is anything other than black. Then it goes Religion > Sex > Race. Unless the religion is anything other than Islam. Then it goes Sex > Race > Religion. Unless you're a white female. Then it goes Race > Sex > Religion. Get your victimhood hierarchy in order! Edited March 15, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richstadiumowner Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It goes Race > Religion > Sex. Unless the race is anything other than black. Then it goes Religion > Sex > Race. Unless the religion is anything other than Islam. Then it goes Sex > Race > Religion. Unless you're a white female. Then it goes Race > Sex > Religion. Get your victimhood hierarchy in order! "victimhood hierarchy" Like a poker game. http://www.torontosun.com/videos/entertainment/music/1225519523001/politically-correct-poker/1974403258001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Wow, I came here to post whether my political views have changed over time and read through this thread -- which lurched sideways into the religion-hater's ditch a few pages back. People of any faith don't deserve to be mocked, and they shouldn't need to be defended. To think otherwise is thoroughly lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Wow, I came here to post whether my political views have changed over time and read through this thread -- which lurched sideways into the religion-hater's ditch a few pages back. People of any faith don't deserve to be mocked, and they shouldn't need to be defended. To think otherwise is thoroughly lame. You are correct sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Wow, I came here to post whether my political views have changed over time and read through this thread -- which lurched sideways into the religion-hater's ditch a few pages back. People of any faith don't deserve to be mocked, and they shouldn't need to be defended. To think otherwise is thoroughly lame. That's fine until one faith tries to legislate its morality onto others. When that happens I have an issue with it, regardless of whether that faith is Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Mormon, or whatever other faith is doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I voted for the first President Bush while I was in the Air Force. And Michael Dukakis was the first politician I ever was able to do an imitation of for laughs. I can't even remember how he talks now. I don't think I voted in the 92 election. Obviously I vote Dem now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 That's fine until one faith tries to legislate its morality onto others. When that happens I have an issue with it, regardless of whether that faith is Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Mormon, or whatever other faith is doing it. So you stand with the Christian baker who files for bankruptcy after being dragged through the court system to be be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 That's fine until one faith tries to legislate its morality onto others. When that happens I have an issue with it, regardless of whether that faith is Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Mormon, or whatever other faith is doing it. A lot of religions agree on issues of morality. In fact, a lot of non- religious individuals take the same morality stances on many issues. Many laws and regulations are morality based. Just because one faith or another agrees with a law and voices their opinion doesn't necessarily mean that they control the agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 So you stand with the Christian baker who files for bankruptcy after being dragged through the court system to be be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding? Interesting. I'd be more than happy to support every Christian bakery in the country and allow them to refuse service to those homosexual sinners in exchange for states like Kansas not being able to try to pass off intelligent design as science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I'd be more than happy to support every Christian bakery in the country and allow them to refuse service to those homosexual sinners in exchange for states like Kansas not being able to try to pass off intelligent design as science. You didn't answer the question. Try it without going full gator, okay. Yes or no. Do you support a Christian baker not wanting to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding based on their religious beliefs? Or should they be forced to bake a cake to avoid discrimination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 You didn't answer the question. Try it without going full gator, okay. Yes or no. Do you support a Christian baker not wanting to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding based on their religious beliefs? Or should they be forced to bake a cake to avoid discrimination? I'd make a Muslim bake a cake for a woman who wasn't wearing a hijab...equal opportunity confectionaryanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 When a liberal baker refuses to serve police officers, the public boycotts the business and it shuts down. When a conservative baker refuses to serve gay people, the government has to shut it down because business usually increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) You didn't answer the question. Try it without going full gator, okay. Yes or no. Do you support a Christian baker not wanting to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding based on their religious beliefs? Or should they be forced to bake a cake to avoid discrimination? There is no such thing as a "Christian " baker. Do they serve only Christians? If they did that I guess some would consider them discriminatory. They are just a baker. It is a job. If you are a business you serve all. Provided the customer is wearing a shirt and shoes of course. They are baking a cake and people are eating it. No " sin " there. They have no business based stance on the reason for the gathering, nor a take on the morality of those eating it or what is being celebrated. Must everyone take a " morality test" for a business to decide if they will serve us? Obviously that is ridiculous, as is the entire concept. They are not being forced to bake a cake , they are in the business of baking cakes. My mechanic is not being forced to repair my car, I'm not sure where anyone gets off thinking this is any different. Can I open a bakery and refuse to serve all Christians because they offend my morality? When a liberal baker refuses to serve police officers, the public boycotts the business and it shuts down. When a conservative baker refuses to serve gay people, the government has to shut it down because business usually increases. If you don't see the difference between refusing to serve a Police officer and refusing to serve someone based on your opinion of their sexual orientation you are beyond the point of intelligent discussion .And yes, both are unnaceptable. Why anyone cares about someone else's sexual orientation is beyond me. Perhaps they aren't comfortable with their own sexuality or with sex at all. One is either straight or gay. That's it. Anyone who claims to be " trans" whatever is kidding themselves. They are not comfortable with their sexuality and have a mental issue. That said we all can use the same gender - appropriate bathrooms and patronize the same businesses . That business would increase at a place of business that refused to serve based on sexual orientation is just a reflection of the stupidity of religion and those who claim to follow it. People do stupid things, it's not proof that something is " right". Edited March 19, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Can I open a bakery and refuse to serve all Christians because they offend my morality? Yes you can. Do you know why? Because a Christian wouldn't purposely use money from far-right organizations to sue you to the extent that you'd lose your business because of your decision to not serve Christians. It's your business. You own it. You can choose who can hire your services. I own my own business, and I choose who can hire my company every freaking day. That was the point to this discussion. When it comes to politics, Drunkard admittedly hates Christians because he fears they try to legislate their morality on him. So if he doesn't want Christians legislating their morality on him, surely he must agree that he doesn't want others legislating their morality on Christians. You know...like being forced to do something they don't want to do. And, um, yeah...there is such a thing as a Christian baker. And a Christian plumber. And Christian electrician. Real Estate agents. Dry cleaners. The list goes on. Some churches actually distribute booklets full of businesses owned by Christians That you somehow think this means they exclusively serve Christians is your own misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) Yes you can. Do you know why? Because a Christian wouldn't purposely use money from far-right organizations to sue you to the extent that you'd lose your business because of your decision to not serve Christians. It's your business. You own it. You can choose who can hire your services. I own my own business, and I choose who can hire my company every freaking day. That was the point to this discussion. When it comes to politics, Drunkard admittedly hates Christians because he fears they try to legislate their morality on him. So if he doesn't want Christians legislating their morality on him, surely he must agree that he doesn't want others legislating their morality on Christians. You know...like being forced to do something they don't want to do. And, um, yeah...there is such a thing as a Christian baker. And a Christian plumber. And Christian electrician. Real Estate agents. Dry cleaners. The list goes on. Some churches actually distribute booklets full of businesses owned by Christians That you somehow think this means they exclusively serve Christians is your own misunderstanding. No there are not . There are all of those things that just happen to be christian. But they are still just a baker, plumber etc at the end of the day. Using religion as an excuse to discriminate is not something that is a good thing in society. I just don't agree with you. No one is legislating morality on anyone else by saying that you must serve the public that wishes to patronize your services. You shouldn't have a take on it is what I'm saying. If a person who happens to be gay buys a cake, must the baker enjoy sex with men? That is an idiotic way of thinking. It's a business transaction and trying to make it into anything else is folly. If I'm a mechanic and I overhear a customer talking about their being a born again christian, I'm pretty sure that I disagree with everything about them and that they offend every part of my being. Should I then be able to tell them they need to get another tow because I don't want to fix their brakes? No. Even though I think they are an a$$hat that I wouldn't mind seeing get obliterated by a semi, their money will spend as well as anyone else's. And don't give me some line about that person being above hiring an attorney to sue me. They absolutely would be just as likely to do so. If they would not bake a cake for someone who they disagreed with on the basis of something like sexual orientation, I'm damn sure they would. Their " belief system" is simply a defense mechanism allowing them to feel okabout themselves every day even though they realize they are an ignorant a$$ -hat that thinks they have some kind of say over others. Their refusal to do business is their version of a Muslim stoning a gay person or pushing them off a building. They must punish others that don't agree with their antiquated thinking. And no, don't try to tell me that baking a cake for money or fixing a car is punishment depending who is paying you the money. Sheer lunacy. Being " forced" to serve the public that their business is licensed to serve is neither immoral nor actually " forcing" their business to do anything other than what they do for a living. You know, what they applied for a license to do. If someone applies for a license to run a coffee shop, are they being forced to serve their customers or being allowed to serve them? If you want to select customers that you agree with on the basis of " religion" then call it a hobby and knock yourself out. Or make everyone fill out a form when they come in asking them , about their personal lives. See how many customers you get. Edited March 19, 2017 by Boatdrinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Awful wall of text. Unreadable as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 No there are not . There are all of those things that just happen to be christian. But they are still just a baker, plumber etc at the end of the day. Using religion as an excuse to discriminate is not something that is a good thing in society. I just don't agree with you. No one is legislating morality on anyone else by saying that you must serve the public that wishes to patronize your services. You shouldn't have a take on it is what I'm saying. If a person who happens to be gay buys a cake, must the baker enjoy sex with men? That is an idiotic way of thinking. It's a business transaction and trying to make it into anything else is folly. If I'm a mechanic and I overhear a customer talking about their being a born again christian, I'm pretty sure that I disagree with everything about them and that they offend every part of my being. Should I then be able to tell them they need to get another tow because I don't want to fix their brakes? No. Even though I think they are an a$$hat that I wouldn't mind seeing get obliterated by a semi, their money will spend as well as anyone else's. And don't give me some line about that person being above hiring an attorney to sue me. They absolutely would be just as likely to do so. If they would not bake a cake for someone who they disagreed with on the basis of something like sexual orientation, I'm damn sure they would. Their " belief system" is simply a defense mechanism allowing them to feel okabout themselves every day even though they realize they are an ignorant a$$ -hat that thinks they have some kind of say over others. Their refusal to do business is their version of a Muslim stoning a gay person or pushing them off a building. They must punish others that don't agree with their antiquated thinking. And no, don't try to tell me that baking a cake for money or fixing a car is punishment depending who is paying you the money. Sheer lunacy. Being " forced" to serve the public that their business is licensed to serve is neither immoral nor actually " forcing" their business to do anything other than what they do for a living. You know, what they applied for a license to do. If someone applies for a license to run a coffee shop, are they being forced to serve their customers or being allowed to serve them? If you want to select customers that you agree with on the basis of " religion" then call it a hobby and knock yourself out. Or make everyone fill out a form when they come in asking them , about their personal lives. See how many customers you get.I don't have time to directly respond to this at this moment, but I wanted to capture the whole thing because I find it fascinating that you hate Christians SO much that you would love to see them get killed by an 18-wheeler, but that you are even willing to let them live...because you can spend their money. I'll rip up the rest of it when I have more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 (edited) I'd be more than happy to support every Christian bakery in the country and allow them to refuse service to those homosexual sinners in exchange for states like Kansas not being able to try to pass off intelligent design as science. This is a bull$%#@ argument right from the start. Go ahead and google "Christian Bakery" and tell me how many pages you have to sort through before you find a website for a Christian Bakery. Go ahead and look through the yellow pages - I don't care what city you search - and provide me a listing for a "Christian Bakery". I'll wait. This entire issue is ginned up by people who are searching for family owned, mom & pop bakeries who are unused to and uncomfortable with the idea of involving themselves in gay weddings and the lifestyle in general, and once they find one they run to the press, screaming "bigotry and oppression" all the way. Everybody knows this, but people who argue your point of view pretend not to. You may not have a problem with gay weddings, I don't have a problem with them, but some people DO NOT WISH TO BE INVOLVED, and should not be coerced into it. Period. People who take your position are either being duped or are willing participants in deception. Edited March 19, 2017 by Azalin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Ban all businesses let the government provide for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 There is no such thing as a "Christian " baker. Do they serve only Christians? If they did that I guess some would consider them discriminatory. They are just a baker. It is a job. If you are a business you serve all. Provided the customer is wearing a shirt and shoes of course. They are baking a cake and people are eating it. No " sin " there. They have no business based stance on the reason for the gathering, nor a take on the morality of those eating it or what is being celebrated. Must everyone take a " morality test" for a business to decide if they will serve us? Obviously that is ridiculous, as is the entire concept. They are not being forced to bake a cake , they are in the business of baking cakes. My mechanic is not being forced to repair my car, I'm not sure where anyone gets off thinking this is any different. Can I open a bakery and refuse to serve all Christians because they offend my morality? If you don't see the difference between refusing to serve a Police officer and refusing to serve someone based on your opinion of their sexual orientation you are beyond the point of intelligent discussion .And yes, both are unnaceptable. Why anyone cares about someone else's sexual orientation is beyond me. Perhaps they aren't comfortable with their own sexuality or with sex at all. One is either straight or gay. That's it. Anyone who claims to be " trans" whatever is kidding themselves. They are not comfortable with their sexuality and have a mental issue. That said we all can use the same gender - appropriate bathrooms and patronize the same businesses . That business would increase at a place of business that refused to serve based on sexual orientation is just a reflection of the stupidity of religion and those who claim to follow it. People do stupid things, it's not proof that something is " right". Discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 This is a bull$%#@ argument right from the start. Go ahead and google "Christian Bakery" and tell me how many pages you have to sort through before you find a website for a Christian Bakery. Go ahead and look through the yellow pages - I don't care what city you search - and provide me a listing for a "Christian Bakery". I'll wait. This entire issue is ginned up by people who are searching for family owned, mom & pop bakeries who are unused to and uncomfortable with the idea of involving themselves in gay weddings and the lifestyle in general, and once they find one they run to the press, screaming "bigotry and oppression" all the way. Everybody knows this, but people who argue your point of view pretend not to. You may not have a problem with gay weddings, I don't have a problem with them, but some people DO NOT WISH TO BE INVOLVED, and should not be coerced into it. Period. People who take your position are either being duped or are willing participants in deception. Or I just really hate the idea of people teaching intelligent design in schools and trying to pass off their religious dogma as science. No there are not . There are all of those things that just happen to be christian. But they are still just a baker, plumber etc at the end of the day. Using religion as an excuse to discriminate is not something that is a good thing in society. I just don't agree with you. No one is legislating morality on anyone else by saying that you must serve the public that wishes to patronize your services. You shouldn't have a take on it is what I'm saying. If a person who happens to be gay buys a cake, must the baker enjoy sex with men? That is an idiotic way of thinking. It's a business transaction and trying to make it into anything else is folly. If I'm a mechanic and I overhear a customer talking about their being a born again christian, I'm pretty sure that I disagree with everything about them and that they offend every part of my being. Should I then be able to tell them they need to get another tow because I don't want to fix their brakes? No. Even though I think they are an a$$hat that I wouldn't mind seeing get obliterated by a semi, their money will spend as well as anyone else's. And don't give me some line about that person being above hiring an attorney to sue me. They absolutely would be just as likely to do so. If they would not bake a cake for someone who they disagreed with on the basis of something like sexual orientation, I'm damn sure they would. Their " belief system" is simply a defense mechanism allowing them to feel okabout themselves every day even though they realize they are an ignorant a$$ -hat that thinks they have some kind of say over others. Their refusal to do business is their version of a Muslim stoning a gay person or pushing them off a building. They must punish others that don't agree with their antiquated thinking. And no, don't try to tell me that baking a cake for money or fixing a car is punishment depending who is paying you the money. Sheer lunacy. Being " forced" to serve the public that their business is licensed to serve is neither immoral nor actually " forcing" their business to do anything other than what they do for a living. You know, what they applied for a license to do. If someone applies for a license to run a coffee shop, are they being forced to serve their customers or being allowed to serve them? If you want to select customers that you agree with on the basis of " religion" then call it a hobby and knock yourself out. Or make everyone fill out a form when they come in asking them , about their personal lives. See how many customers you get. I like the cut of your jib, sir. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Or I just really hate the idea of people teaching intelligent design in schools and trying to pass off their religious dogma as science. If I had been talking about intelligent design, then you might have a point. I wasn't, so you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunkard Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 If I had been talking about intelligent design, then you might have a point. I wasn't, so you don't. It was in my post that you replied to though. I'd be more than happy to support every Christian bakery in the country and allow them to refuse service to those homosexual sinners in exchange for states like Kansas not being able to try to pass off intelligent design as science. Right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 It was in my post that you replied to though. Right there. So what? You threw that into an argument about bakeries. Your random throw-away lines do not carry enough weight to warrant changing the argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 It was in my post that you replied to though. Right there. I think intelligent design missed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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