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The Media's Portrayal of Trump and His Presidency

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Answering these properly takes time and that’s why you don’t see an immediate response.    I won’t go point by point, because you’ve hit on many overlapping topics where the perceived conce

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Here's the full (I think?) monologue   

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I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Flynn was waterboarded and otherwise tortured into lying to a federal agent.

Everything here is about whether he should have been the subject of investigation, and I see that argument (although I'm not convinced). But there is absolutely no argument for why he lied to a federal agent -- an easily provable lie, and one that's a crime, and if Flynn didn't know that he's even dumber than he looks.

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22 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I'm sorry, I must have missed the part where Flynn was waterboarded and otherwise tortured into lying to a federal agent.

Everything here is about whether he should have been the subject of investigation, and I see that argument (although I'm not convinced). But there is absolutely no argument for why he lied to a federal agent -- an easily provable lie, and one that's a crime, and if Flynn didn't know that he's even dumber than he looks.

 

The argument here has been (and which appears to be corroborated from the discovery releases in the past few weeks) that per the FBI agents' contemporaneous notes he DIDN'T lie to the FBI.  He didn't have notes about the Kislyak call when he initially spoke to the FBI agents, but they said he seemed truthful. A few edits later, Mueller's crew told him he had details wrong when he spoke to the FBI & that they were looking into charging him & his son w/ (IIRC) FARA violations; but if he'd admit to what he believed (after being told by the SCO) to have been perjury then the other charges against him & his son would go away.

 

So, while he wasn't waterboarded, he didn't perjure himself either.  And everybody that participated in lying to General Flynn should spend a LONG time behind bars thinking about how bad it is to frame someone.

 

Not too sure about the FARA stuff, but it SEEMS that was overblown as well.

 

 

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The argument here has been (and which appears to be corroborated from the discovery releases in the past few weeks) that per the FBI agents' contemporaneous notes he DIDN'T lie to the FBI.  He didn't have notes about the Kislyak call when he initially spoke to the FBI agents, but they said he seemed truthful. A few edits later, Mueller's crew told him he had details wrong when he spoke to the FBI & that they were looking into charging him & his son w/ (IIRC) FARA violations; but if he'd admit to what he believed (after being told by the SCO) to have been perjury then the other charges against him & his son would go away.

 

So, while he wasn't waterboarded, he didn't perjure himself either.  And everybody that participated in lying to General Flynn should spend a LONG time behind bars thinking about how bad it is to frame someone.

 

Not too sure about the FARA stuff, but it SEEMS that was overblown as well.

 

 

Thanks, I appreciate the explanation. I'll have to look for some other accounts of this whole episode.

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10 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, maybe. He was pretty reckless with the things he did.

The feds told him that he lied when he didn't but then they brought the full force of the government against Flynn. He went broke defending himself. 

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22 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, maybe. He was pretty reckless with the things he did.

The DOJ, upon reviewing all the details available on the case they brought, concluded that the matter should never have commenced.  Individuals certainly can be reckless, but when the full weight and power of the US government has decided to crush you, you’re likely to be crushed.
 

Imo it’s basically like an ordinary citizen standing up to the Mob in the 1960s.  It has to feel a lot like this guy dancing on your skull. 

 

 

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The DOJ, upon reviewing all the details available on the case they brought, concluded that the matter should never have commenced.  Individuals certainly can be reckless, but when the full weight and power of the US government has decided to crush you, you’re likely to be crushed.
 

Imo it’s basically like an ordinary citizen standing up to the Mob in the 1960s.  It has to feel a lot like this guy dancing on your skull. 

 

 

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The new DOJ, under William Barr, decided that.

We will learn more as the District Court case proceeds.

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The new DOJ, under William Barr, decided that.

We will learn more as the District Court case proceeds.

The DOJ is the DOJ, no?   Justice is blind, no political bias, just a well researched case brought against an American with a distinguished record of service.  Seems the review revealed something different, and the DOJ moved to dismiss.  Seems straight forward. 

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3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well, maybe. He was pretty reckless with the things he did.


:lol: 

 

In one post you admit you know dick about this case and should read more — now you say as a fact that Flynn was “pretty reckless with the things he did”. 
 

So, tell us, what reckless things did General Flynn do? This will be great... 🍿

2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I wish.


:lol: What a choad. 

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:lol: 

 

In one post you admit you know dick about this case and should read more — now you say as a fact that Flynn was “pretty reckless with the things he did”. 
 

So, tell us, what reckless things did General Flynn do? This will be great... 🍿


:lol: What a choad. 

Thank you for saving me the key strokes. 

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:lol: 

 

In one post you admit you know dick about this case and should read more — now you say as a fact that Flynn was “pretty reckless with the things he did”. 
 

So, tell us, what reckless things did General Flynn do? This will be great... 🍿


:lol: What a choad. 

You, who know all, having applied your decoding stone to the Q poop, should be very familiar with this reckless behavior: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/us/politics/michael-flynn.html

 

[I can't wait for the cackle in response - hah! NY Times!!!! Not as reliable as some anonymous creep in the Philippines!!!!]

 

But as a civilian, he founded a consulting firm, Flynn Intel Group, that attracted high-paying clients. In a decision that appalled some friends, he agreed to give a speech in 2015 to RT, Russia’s state-controlled television network, for about $45,000. He was seated at the head table next to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

 
 

The next year, he pulled in at least $1.8 million from private intelligence and security services, consulting and speeches. About $530,000 came for work to discredit an enemy of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. Mr. Flynn did not register with the Justice Department as a foreign agent, as required under lobbying disclosure laws, until the following spring when he was under federal scrutiny.

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6 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

You, who know all, having applied your decoding stone to the Q poop, should be very familiar with this reckless behavior: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/us/politics/michael-flynn.html

 

[I can't wait for the cackle in response - hah! NY Times!!!! Not as reliable as some anonymous creep in the Philippines!!!!]

 

But as a civilian, he founded a consulting firm, Flynn Intel Group, that attracted high-paying clients. In a decision that appalled some friends, he agreed to give a speech in 2015 to RT, Russia’s state-controlled television network, for about $45,000. He was seated at the head table next to President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.

 

The next year, he pulled in at least $1.8 million from private intelligence and security services, consulting and speeches. About $530,000 came for work to discredit an enemy of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey. Mr. Flynn did not register with the Justice Department as a foreign agent, as required under lobbying disclosure laws, until the following spring when he was under federal scrutiny.

 

So... was he reckless when he sought DIA approval for the RT/Putin dinner? A dinner traditionally attended by members of the intel community? Or was asking for, and receiving, permission "reckless"? These are things you would know if you bothered to shut your pie hole and read the material rather than invent positions which are fiction. You do it in your responses to other posters and you're doing it here. 

 

As for Turkey and FARA -- it was, and has been proven to be, an intelligence operation also approved by the DIA. Forget the fact that his FARA paperwork was found to be in order (per last week's releases which you're ignoring to cite a nearly half a year old article). There was no illegality there, and operating FIG in the manner he was was not reckless but bait. 

 

So, you're wrong. Again. SHOCKER! :lol:  

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2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

So... was he reckless when he sought DIA approval for the RT/Putin dinner? A dinner traditionally attended by members of the intel community? Or was asking for, and receiving, permission "reckless"? These are things you would know if you bothered to shut your pie hole and read the material rather than invent positions which are fiction. You do it in your responses to other posters and you're doing it here. 

 

As for Turkey and FARA -- it was, and has been proven to be, an intelligence operation also approved by the DIA. Forget the fact that his FARA paperwork was found to be in order (per last week's releases which you're ignoring to cite a nearly half a year old article). There was no illegality there, and operating FIG in the manner he was was not reckless but bait. 

 

So, you're wrong. Again. SHOCKER! :lol:  

You'd think after taking so many bats to the head that the seal would die but that dumb MFer just keeps bleating.  lol

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tl;dr: Russian intelligence said Hillary was trying to stir up suspicions that Russia was colluding with Trump.

 

Let's factor that out: Russian intelligence = Putin approved report.

So:

Putin says Hillary trying to stir up unwarranted suspicions that Putin is colluding with Trump.

And there's your bombshell. Don't worry, pick it up, it won't hurt you; it's a dud.

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Just now, Alaska Darin said:

Yup.

Well then you should know.

In general, you have a piece of intel

It could be the real deal; stuff another government prepared for their own purposes. It could be disinformation, created knowing that someone else will get it.

The only way you know for sure is to assess whether they know that a source (or database) has been compromised.

It's an educated guess. It's not bible truth.

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6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well then you should know.

In general, you have a piece of intel

It could be the real deal; stuff another government prepared for their own purposes. It could be disinformation, created knowing that someone else will get it.

The only way you know for sure is to assess whether they know that a source (or database) has been compromised.

It's an educated guess. It's not bible truth.

Dude...it's THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE.  Do you think he throws the intel community under the bus to the f**** SENATE without prejudice?

 

Put down the shovel before you dig the hole any deeper.

 

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10 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

It's not hard to believe. There are literally Americans who think we can pull off socialism. 

 

Why not?  After all it's never really been implemented properly, so wouldn't the US with all its capabilities be the best one to pull it off?

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Well then you should know.

In general, you have a piece of intel

It could be the real deal; stuff another government prepared for their own purposes. It could be disinformation, created knowing that someone else will get it.

The only way you know for sure is to assess whether they know that a source (or database) has been compromised.

It's an educated guess. It's not bible truth.

 

NOW, you choose to question what the Intel Community has to say?

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40 minutes ago, Alaska Darin said:

Dude...it's THE DIRECTOR OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE.  Do you think he throws the intel community under the bus to the f**** SENATE without prejudice?

 

Put down the shovel before you dig the hole any deeper.

 

No, I'm saying that quoting RUSSIAN intelligence on what an American presidential campaign is doing isn't exactly proof that the intel is correct.

The US Intelligence community has been clear: Russia interfered with the election to assist the Trump campaign.

And Don Jr. colluded with Russian intelligence; he appears to have escaped prosecution because Mueller found that he was too stupid to realize that a meeting with an attorney about "Russian adoptions" was really a meeting with a Russian spy.

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1 hour ago, GG said:

 

Why not?  After all it's never really been implemented properly, so wouldn't the US with all its capabilities be the best one to pull it off?

We have the capabilities due to not being socialist- the fact you realize we are the best but  missed the reason shows why arguing with you is pointless.

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3 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

No, I'm saying that quoting RUSSIAN intelligence on what an American presidential campaign is doing isn't exactly proof that the intel is correct.

 


You’re leaving out the part where IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED EXACTLY AS THEY SAID. You can’t help but to display how stupid of a person you are with each attempt to avoid the obvious solution: educate yourself on the actual facts of the matter before opining on them. 
 

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5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:


You’re leaving out the part where IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED EXACTLY AS THEY SAID. You can’t help but to display how stupid of a person you are with each attempt to avoid the obvious solution: educate yourself on the actual facts of the matter before opining on them. 
 

:lol: 

Just hoping you enjoyed watching Q+ tonight (isn't that what you guys call him? See, I've been studying you like an anthropologist studies a New Guinean cargo cult).

Such mastery of the facts, of the art of debate.

Just the kind of man to save us all.

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