Tiberius Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 11 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Once again, have you really bought into the lie that Russia won the election for Donald Trump? Really? Just because Russia may have wanted him elected (and I'm not saying that they did) doesn't mean they had any impact on the election at all. Since this is part of football chat room maybe you'll understand it put this way: Just because as a Bills fan you may want the Patriots to lose doesn't mean you have any impact at all on the games when they do. And yes, Donald Trump is a more accomplished adult than I'm guessing you'll ever be. You may not like his style, or his candor, but he's accomplished more in his 70+ years on this earth than I'm guessing you have while sitting in your parent's basement. Or...maybe Hillary should've gotten her lazy butt to Wisconsin! Don't blame Russia because you're candidate lost. I never blamed Russia when Romney didn't fight hard enough...or McCain either. You avoiding the question I asked with this stuff above says a lot. I knew you would not answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You avoiding the question I asked with this stuff above says a lot. I knew you would not answer. We’ve all lost track of your questions. Which is mostly due to the fact that like House Democrats, you simply refuse to accept the answers. Smile. Don’t worry. Be happy. While you’ve been busy setting your hair on fire the rest of us have been enjoying a great time of peace of prosperity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: You avoiding the question I asked with this stuff above says a lot. I knew you would not answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: How about you? Is it ok for the Russians to help Trump again? Hey, since you guys say it didnt matter anyway, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 hours ago, Tiberius said: How about you? Is it ok for the Russians to help Trump again? Hey, since you guys say it didnt matter anyway, right? Yeah I’m cool with it. If for no other reason it’s been fun watching the likes of you freak out. I would love another 4 year extension of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Tiberius said: How about you? Is it ok for the Russians to help Trump again? Hey, since you guys say it didnt matter anyway, right? Yes, it's OK for Russia to help anyone they want, as long as they aren't breaking the law to do it. Are you so naïve that you don't think the US Government play favorites in other country's elections. Of course we do. I think you're missing the point of what Russia was doing in 2016. They weren't trying to help anyone. They were trying to stir the pot and create discord in America. What better way to do that than to back the underdog? And you and your friends on the Left have taken the bait and swallowed it whole for over two years now. Way to go Tibs! You're been completely PLAYED by your old buddy Putin. Their laughing at you every night when they turn on CNN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Think like a Progressive Russia buying Facebook ads = bad Obama administration sending campaign advisers to influence Israeli elections = good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Chef Jim said: Yeah I’m cool with it. If for no other reason it’s been fun watching the likes of you freak out. I would love another 4 year extension of it. Thanks for showing your true colors. Trump Putin 2020! You should move to Russia you are openly a traitor 13 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yes, it's OK for Russia to help anyone they want, as long as they aren't breaking the law to do it. Are you so naïve that you don't think the US Government play favorites in other country's elections. Of course we do. I think you're missing the point of what Russia was doing in 2016. They weren't trying to help anyone. They were trying to stir the pot and create discord in America. What better way to do that than to back the underdog? And you and your friends on the Left have taken the bait and swallowed it whole for over two years now. Way to go Tibs! You're been completely PLAYED by your old buddy Putin. Their laughing at you every night when they turn on CNN. Russia did break the law. Try and get informed, please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 NO COLLUSION still. Never was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Thanks for showing your true colors. Trump Putin 2020! You should move to Russia you are openly a traitor Russia did break the law. Try and get informed, please Which law? Please tell us specifically which law the Russians broke. I bet you can't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: Which law? Please tell us specifically which law the Russians broke. I bet you can't do it. Gees, educate yourself! Mueller indicted the Russians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 What an azz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Gees, educate yourself! Mueller indicted the Russians That doesn't answer the question though. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said: That doesn't answer the question though. Try again. I don't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: I don't know But this is what you responded to another poster above: "Russia did break the law. Try and get informed, please" Why don't you follow your own advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: But this is what you responded to another poster above: "Russia did break the law. Try and get informed, please" Why don't you follow your own advice? Mueller indicted them, that's what I said. You are saying Russia didn't do anything wrong. F you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Gees, educate yourself! Mueller indicted the Russians You are aware that you can indite a ham sandwich, right? Mueller didn’t indite the Russian government. He indited a few random people loosely understood to be Russians. It was a photo op so his stellar committe could say they did something. And, once again there was no reported connection to Trump. Educate yourself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Thanks for showing your true colors. Trump Putin 2020! You should move to Russia you are openly a traitor No no no. Putin/Trump. Then we can have Trump/Putin 2024 then Putin/Trump 2028. Glorious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Mueller indicted them, that's what I said. You are saying Russia didn't do anything wrong. F you! Answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 On 6/10/2019 at 9:14 AM, Tiberius said: No, they wanted Trump as President. They helped him win. So why? Foreign powers (not just Russia) always try to influence the elections of other countries, for a multitude of reasons. What happened in 2016 was nothing new. Maybe they believe one candidate's views are better for their own interests. Maybe they find one candidate easier to negotiate with. Assuming you are correct that Russia "wanted Trump as President" - there could be multiple reasons. Maybe they figured his political inexperience would benefit them. Maybe they knew his election would divide our country. Maybe there was bad-blood between Putin and Clinton from her time as Secretary of State. In the end, does it really matter? According to every investigation that went into Russian interference, there were no votes changed, no votes added and no votes subtracted. There were no intrusions into polling places. There was nothing done by Russia that stopped American citizens from going to the voting booth, picking the candidate of their choice, and that selection being properly counted. When you break it down, all of this ridiculous uproar is about Facebook ads. Some Russian hackers got into the computer server for the Democratic National Committee, distributed that information to Wikileaks and then put the dirt they found on Hillary Clinton onto Social Media. Now obviously hacking is a crime. But Mueller's report states that attempts were also made to hack the Republic National Committee. And the only part that actually "helped" Trump was the distribution of the DNC information, which is really no different than what every journalistic outlet does on a daily basis. Whether CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews or Facebook is putting it out, every American has the ability to decipher on their own what information is true/false and how it influences their vote. By the way, the same time Russia was supposedly "helping Trump" by campaigning on Facebook - the American National Media was eagerly reporting details from the infamous Trump Dossier to the public. And we now know this Dossier was compiled using (wait for it)... Russian intelligence. Was this not an example of Russia helping Hillary Clinton, by distributing dirt on her opponent? The only difference between the two situations is that: a) What the Russians stole and distributed from the DNC server was true, and b) Clinton's campaign was actually involved in the Dossier. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Russia wanted Trump to win, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Foreign powers (not just Russia) always try to influence the elections of other countries, for a multitude of reasons. What happened in 2016 was nothing new. Maybe they believe one candidate's views are better for their own interests. Maybe they find one candidate easier to negotiate with. Assuming you are correct that Russia "wanted Trump as President" - there could be multiple reasons. Maybe they figured his political inexperience would benefit them. Maybe they knew his election would divide our country. Maybe there was bad-blood between Putin and Clinton from her time as Secretary of State. In the end, does it really matter? According to every investigation that went into Russian interference, there were no votes changed, no votes added and no votes subtracted. There were no intrusions into polling places. There was nothing done by Russia that stopped American citizens from going to the voting booth, picking the candidate of their choice, and that selection being properly counted. When you break it down, all of this ridiculous uproar is about Facebook ads. Some Russian hackers got into the computer server for the Democratic National Committee, distributed that information to Wikileaks and then put the dirt they found on Hillary Clinton onto Social Media. Now obviously hacking is a crime. But Mueller's report states that attempts were also made to hack the Republic National Committee. And the only part that actually "helped" Trump was the distribution of the DNC information, which is really no different than what every journalistic outlet does on a daily basis. Whether CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews or Facebook is putting it out, every American has the ability to decipher on their own what information is true/false and how it influences their vote. By the way, the same time Russia was supposedly "helping Trump" by campaigning on Facebook - the American National Media was eagerly reporting details from the infamous Trump Dossier to the public. And we now know this Dossier was compiled using (wait for it)... Russian intelligence. Was this not an example of Russia helping Hillary Clinton, by distributing dirt on her opponent? The only difference between the two situations is that: a) What the Russians stole and distributed from the DNC server was true, and b) Clinton's campaign was actually involved in the Dossier. Nice answer to PPP's resident idiot. Don't be so sure on the Russian hacking part though. At the speed that the information was downloaded it is highly unlikely that it was done in any way other than a direct connection. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 58 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: No no no. Putin/Trump. Then we can have Trump/Putin 2024 then Putin/Trump 2028. Glorious. Why change now, right? You guys are fifth columnists. 3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Nice answer to PPP's resident idiot. Don't be so sure on the Russian hacking part though. At the speed that the information was downloaded it is highly unlikely that it was done in any way other than a direct connection. You piece of garbage! You are the dumbest sob on this board. 35 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Foreign powers (not just Russia) always try to influence the elections of other countries, for a multitude of reasons. What happened in 2016 was nothing new. Maybe they believe one candidate's views are better for their own interests. Maybe they find one candidate easier to negotiate with. Assuming you are correct that Russia "wanted Trump as President" - there could be multiple reasons. Maybe they figured his political inexperience would benefit them. Maybe they knew his election would divide our country. Maybe there was bad-blood between Putin and Clinton from her time as Secretary of State. In the end, does it really matter? According to every investigation that went into Russian interference, there were no votes changed, no votes added and no votes subtracted. There were no intrusions into polling places. There was nothing done by Russia that stopped American citizens from going to the voting booth, picking the candidate of their choice, and that selection being properly counted. When you break it down, all of this ridiculous uproar is about Facebook ads. Some Russian hackers got into the computer server for the Democratic National Committee, distributed that information to Wikileaks and then put the dirt they found on Hillary Clinton onto Social Media. Now obviously hacking is a crime. But Mueller's report states that attempts were also made to hack the Republic National Committee. And the only part that actually "helped" Trump was the distribution of the DNC information, which is really no different than what every journalistic outlet does on a daily basis. Whether CNN, MSNBC, FoxNews or Facebook is putting it out, every American has the ability to decipher on their own what information is true/false and how it influences their vote. By the way, the same time Russia was supposedly "helping Trump" by campaigning on Facebook - the American National Media was eagerly reporting details from the infamous Trump Dossier to the public. And we now know this Dossier was compiled using (wait for it)... Russian intelligence. Was this not an example of Russia helping Hillary Clinton, by distributing dirt on her opponent? The only difference between the two situations is that: a) What the Russians stole and distributed from the DNC server was true, and b) Clinton's campaign was actually involved in the Dossier. You are spreading misinformation, Mueller states that no such attempt was made against Trump. The effort was all one sides, to hurt Hillary and help Trump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are spreading misinformation, Mueller states that no such attempt was made against Trump. The effort was all one sides, to hurt Hillary and help Trump https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=0&referer= This is from the New York Times, right after the 2016 election. Intelligence officials say both the DNC and RNC were hacked, but they only released what they obtained from the Democrat side. You can cover your ears and call it "misinformation" - but this is from a liberal-leaning publication. If Russia was looking to hack both sides, it's quite possible their goal was not explicitly to help get Trump elected. It's just as possible the plan was to cause chaos/discourse during the election, and in the end, they were only able to obtain damaging information on the Democratic candidate. Either way, (as I stated in my previous post) what the Russians wanted to do is irrelevant. They had no affect on changing, adding or subtracting American votes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, mjt328 said: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=0&referer= This is from the New York Times, right after the 2016 election. Intelligence officials say both the DNC and RNC were hacked, but they only released what they obtained from the Democrat side. You can cover your ears and call it "misinformation" - but this is from a liberal-leaning publication. If Russia was looking to hack both sides, it's quite possible their goal was not explicitly to help get Trump elected. It's just as possible the plan was to cause chaos/discourse during the election, and in the end, they were only able to obtain damaging information on the Democratic candidate. Either way, (as I stated in my previous post) what the Russians wanted to do is irrelevant. They had no affect on changing, adding or subtracting American votes. So they actively supported Trump, like your article sys. More likely they hacked other Republicans to help Trump in the primaries, Marco Rubio was hated by Putin also for his pro-democracy stance. It still leaves the question unanswered, WHY DID PUTIN WANT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT? Sorry bout the caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Quick Reminder: ..................................NO COLLUSION ........................NO OBSTRUCTION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So they actively supported Trump, like your article sys. More likely they hacked other Republicans to help Trump in the primaries, Marco Rubio was hated by Putin also for his pro-democracy stance. It still leaves the question unanswered, WHY DID PUTIN WANT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT? Sorry bout the caps It seems like that a long time ago you should have realized that nobody here believes in you. Why waste your life here when you can seek out like minded morons on NPR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, mjt328 said: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/obama-russia-election-hack.html?_r=0&referer= This is from the New York Times, right after the 2016 election. Intelligence officials say both the DNC and RNC were hacked, but they only released what they obtained from the Democrat side. You can cover your ears and call it "misinformation" - but this is from a liberal-leaning publication. If Russia was looking to hack both sides, it's quite possible their goal was not explicitly to help get Trump elected. It's just as possible the plan was to cause chaos/discourse during the election, and in the end, they were only able to obtain damaging information on the Democratic candidate. Either way, (as I stated in my previous post) what the Russians wanted to do is irrelevant. They had no affect on changing, adding or subtracting American votes. I applaud your efforts, but TOC is not interested in discussion. Hell, he is not interested in even reading what your wrote. He doesn't even read the links he posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, RochesterRob said: It seems like that a long time ago you should have realized that nobody here believes in you. Why waste your life here when you can seek out like minded morons on NPR? It's true Rob! Putin is more liked around here than me ? Just now, KRC said: I applaud your efforts, but TOC is not interested in discussion. Hell, he is not interested in even reading what your wrote. He doesn't even read the links he posts. Why do you think Putin wanted Trump as President? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, KRC said: I applaud your efforts, but TOC is not interested in discussion. Hell, he is not interested in even reading what your wrote. He doesn't even read the links he posts. Asking, and re-asking a question based on a false premise is a great example of his simplicity. He is incapable of understanding that. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So they actively supported Trump, like your article says. More likely they hacked other Republicans to help Trump in the primaries, Marco Rubio was hated by Putin also for his pro-democracy stance. It still leaves the question unanswered, WHY DID PUTIN WANT TRUMP AS PRESIDENT? Sorry bout the caps Russian intelligence was used to create the Trump Dossier. If Putin wanted Trump to be president so badly, why would he have allowed this to happen? I'm sure that China's government would have preferred Hillary Clinton to win the election, rather than deal with someone who was going to overhaul trade with them. And if every U.S. intelligence agency spent two years digging into it, you would probably discover that China also made efforts to influence the 2016 election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 minute ago, mjt328 said: Russian intelligence was used to create the Trump Dossier. If Putin wanted Trump to be president so badly, why would he have allowed this to happen? Really? Were they? Or is that just a misinformation point? We know Putin wanted Trump as President, we are beyond that, I'm just asking why now. Why did Putin want this incompetent fool as our president? Was it to create chaos? Was Putin upset with green energy sending oil prices lower? Was it he just had Trump compromised and Trump is sending him classified info and Putin is using that to kill our CIA assets in Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why do you think Putin wanted Trump as President? I am thinking Warren will continue to rise in the polls as Biden falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Russia wanted Trump to win, why? Not sure they wanted him to as much as they thought he had no chance, so they tossed in their two cents. As stated above to sow discord "when" Killary was coronated. But like the Dems and they underestimated him. Remember, as soon as Trump announced that he was running, they gave him zero chance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, Gary M said: Not sure they wanted him to as much as they thought he had no chance, so they tossed in their two cents. As stated above to sow discord "when" Killary was coronated. But like the Dems and they underestimated him. Remember, as soon as Trump announced that he was running, they gave him zero chance. they mocked everyone who even suggested it mocking is about the worst thing to do in public, short of execution now how do they like them apples? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Really? Were they? Or is that just a misinformation point? If you really don't know the history of the Steele/Trump Dossier, then you need to spend the afternoon doing some research before posting more about the Russia thing. Here is an article I quickly Googled from CNN. It's from March: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index.html Hillary Clinton's campaign paid for the creation of this Dossier. It was compiled by ex-British agent Christopher Steele. Many of the sources were from the Russian government. 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: We know Putin wanted Trump as President, we are beyond that, I'm just asking why now. Why did Putin want this incompetent fool as our president? Was it to create chaos? Was Putin upset with green energy sending oil prices lower? Was it he just had Trump compromised and Trump is sending him classified info and Putin is using that to kill our CIA assets in Russia? I'll think up a conspiracy theory involving Tom Brady and Robert Kraft and get back to you. Geez. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, mjt328 said: If you really don't know the history of the Steele/Trump Dossier, then you need to spend the afternoon doing some research before posting more about the Russia thing. Here is an article I quickly Googled from CNN. It's from March: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/16/politics/steele-information-dossier/index.html Hillary Clinton's campaign paid for the creation of this Dossier. It was compiled by ex-British agent Christopher Steele. Many of the sources were from the Russian government. I'll think up a conspiracy theory involving Tom Brady and Robert Kraft and get back to you. Geez. Hey, Mueller's probe established Putin wanted Trump as President. I just want to know why? You are just trying to muddy the waters with all this other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. excellent point, hear hear, Madame Speaker!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, Gary M said: Not sure they wanted him to as much as they thought he had no chance, so they tossed in their two cents. As stated above to sow discord "when" Killary was coronated. But like the Dems and they underestimated him. Remember, as soon as Trump announced that he was running, they gave him zero chance. The Russians did a lot to get Trump to be President. Why is that? LOL! And know Row the D-bag is hooting about ignoring me! Love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 You've chosen to ignore content by Tiberius. and a witty counterproposal, right rum played, Jeeves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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