Just Jack Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I would also need the roof to actually be open often. It seems many of these indoor facilities rarely open the roof, even on a nice weather day, The first game of the Toronto series, pre-season against the Steelers, when we drove by the stadium the roof was open, but they ended up closing it before the game started, even though it was nice weather outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 The first game of the Toronto series, pre-season against the Steelers, when we drove by the stadium the roof was open, but they ended up closing it before the game started, even though it was nice weather outside. Side note: I went to a baseball game there and it was open. Went for a little walk to check the place out and when I returned it was closed. Apparently it started to drizzle and it surprised me with how quickly it happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 This is a commercial property. Hit is obviously intentionally under assessed. This is why the Pegula group is pissed that the deal was made public. The value of the property is what Pegula paid for it. He essentially bought a tax free building and doesn't want the taxpayers knowing this. But, and this may be a dumb question, aren't real estate transactions a matter of public record? So people would've found out one way or another, unless Los Peguals used a dummy corporation to make the purchase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 But, and this may be a dumb question, aren't real estate transactions a matter of public record? So people would've found out one way or another, unless Los Peguals used a dummy corporation to make the purchase?They didn't technically buy property. They bought a company that had property as an asset. Company sales are not public record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 But, and this may be a dumb question, aren't real estate transactions a matter of public record? So people would've found out one way or another, unless Los Peguals used a dummy corporation to make the purchase? Another side note: Some states (but not NY) are what are termed "non-disclosure states", and the property records do not include any info concerning transactions. In some rural areas of Mississippi and Alabama there is no MLS, and public records are unavailable. Try getting a good real estate apparaisal in those backwater messes. I've seen plenty of people taken advantage of due to a lack of info. You can often indicate "$10 and other considerations" for a deal, but if you calculate the deed stamps (a certain $$ per thousand usually) you can back into a purchase price. This ends the useless and un-requested side note. Oh, and Kirby has a good and actually relevant point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I'm okay inside as long as it has character. Angie's example is a good one, that place in Georgia didn't and the new one looks amazing. I like the warehouse feel and could get behind it, especially if they carry on the tradition of some of the famous cuisine. The detail will make or break it. It has to have soul. Don't forget it has to have wine and cheese to go with the PSLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 They didn't technically buy property. They bought a company that had property as an asset. Company sales are not public record. And this is why the Pegulas were upset the sale price was revealed. The whole deal was set up to conceal the purchase price. Otherwise, the Pegulas could have simply bought the properties from the other family's holding companies, straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) @thebuffalonews The #Bills want a new outdoor practice field for the team, but they don't want to pay taxes on it. http://buffalonews.com/2017/03/21/erie-county-legislators-spurn-ownership-bills-practice-field/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1490138020 Edited March 22, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) @thebuffalonews The #Bills want a new outdoor practice field for the team, but they don't want to pay taxes on it. http://buffalonews.com/2017/03/21/erie-county-legislators-spurn-ownership-bills-practice-field/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1490138020 MAGA. Isn't Tax Free all the way the American dream? Edited March 22, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 @thebuffalonews The #Bills want a new outdoor practice field for the team, but they don't want to pay taxes on it. http://buffalonews.com/2017/03/21/erie-county-legislators-spurn-ownership-bills-practice-field/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1490138020 "The Bills are preparing to spend $4.5 million to build the practice field, according to a team statement. That work would be done by local contractors." wow, that's a expensive practice field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorBuf Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Well if it makes you feel any better they just bought a building downtown assessed at $255K for $7M. They bought the entire business not just the building. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 "The Bills are preparing to spend $4.5 million to build the practice field, according to a team statement. That work would be done by local contractors." wow, that's a expensive practice field Not really, We had a field put in at our High School. that was 1.4 million. Cut a lot of corners. When money is not the object you put in all the amenities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdogtim Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 No rubber mats, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 with that kind of investment... you wonder if they have plans to build on an adjacent lot there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 The county should offer the Bills a deal; if they make the playoffs then they don't have to pay the taxes, and if they don't they pay double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share Posted March 22, 2017 Not really, We had a field put in at our High School. that was 1.4 million. Cut a lot of corners. When money is not the object you put in all the amenities. I don't know what state you are located In, but in New York State if any State money is used, all labor must be paid at union rates which drives up cost. The Bills (private company) are paying $4.3 million for the field on property of their landlord. Do you think this improvement and terms were not talked about ahead of time by the Bills and County? Other NFL teams have heated grass practice fields so perhaps that might be part of the $4.3 million construction cost. On a side note, the Bills had another outdoor grass practice field now used by youth football leagues. It's maintained by the Bills. I would guess it cost more than $1,600 a year to maintain. Does anyone know of any other NFL team that has a youth field on their stadium grounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I want police, fire, water and plowing but not pay for them. MAGA. The "1%" will be picking up that tab, don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 The "1%" will be picking up that tab, don't worry. And passing it on. Wait, aren't the Pegula's The 1%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Not selling? I would sell for the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 The ideal example is Lucas Oil Field. Built for only $750mil, and it was designed to blend in with the industrial warehouses that surrounded it. And it's not like New Era has a ton of personality, just a lot of history. But it's basically a big, cold cement bowl in the ground. Especially when compared to the old War Memorial, but now you love New Era, so folks will eventually come around. That's a nice stadium...an example that you don't need to spend $2 billion to get a good stadium built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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