Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 He isn't taking less money to stay. The Bills and Tyrod both know that he can get $30M plus guaranteed on the open market. This isn't a situation where the Bills have been so good to him that he owes them one. They signed him for dirt cheap, put him on a prove-it deal in 2016 and the market says that he is absolutely a $15M + AAV QB. If the Bills choose to restructure, that may be an option but a pay cut isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Lot of TT talk on Sirius NFL today - Ross Tucker said that if TT hits FA he'll be the best option out there this year and that he's far better than any QB coming out of college (said they all need a year on the bench). His co-host (not quite sure who that was today) completely agreed... Â Interesting that he's such a great option to everyone. But the Bills fans like Gugny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Bye-rod! Â Remember when Doug Marrone thought he was a hot commodity? Good luck, backup. Â Marrone hurt himself the way he left the Bills. I think that was a big reason why teams began to look at him as a quitter. The TT case at hand is completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I would prefer to keep him as a bridge qb. However, it seems that the people who are the most torn about keeping him reside in the organization. Many people make the argument that he is by far our best qb since Kelly. Without question that is a fair judgment. But he being our best option at qb right now isn't the bigger issue facing this front office. The crucial issue for them is whether TT as our franchise qb beyond the next couple of years is our best option at qb to compete on a bigger stage. The next sequential question becomes if you commit to him are you foreclosing other better options at that position? This is not a simple issue and there are merits on both sides of the argument. Â It has to be remembered that what brought on this hot contested issue is that TT's play last year didn't indicate a progression from his first year here. If he would have made more progress in last year there would not be an issue surrounding the qb position. It's what happened on the field that made the organization re-visit the qb issue. That point has to be remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) So Bills fans and Bills analysts hate Tyrod, everyone else in the league thinks he's the best QB option if he becomes available. Â Sounds about right. Edited February 10, 2017 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I would start to have concerns about him if he did. TT will be snatched up quickly in FA if we are silly enough to let that happen. Looking at the decision making process of the Bills organization makes Buffalo a hard sell for players. The Lorax says that his decision on whether to stay in Buffalo or not will be influenced on whether TT comes back. It will absolutely be a black eye on the Bills. Outsiders (agents, players, etc...) are going to look at the situation and say that the Bills did not treat him well. I don't think that is even debatable. The contract that he was offered is certainly on the low end of the market for his production. Even still, they pulled the plug on him. Whether or not moving on is the right decision, that will be the perception. In general, the Bills have had a pretty good reputation for how they treat players recently but that is starting to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I would prefer to keep him as a bridge qb. However, it seems that the people who are the most torn about keeping him reside in the organization. Many people make the argument that he is by far our best qb since Kelly. Without question that is a fair judgment. But he being our best option at qb right now isn't the bigger issue facing this front office. The crucial issue for them is whether TT as our franchise qb beyond the next couple of years is our best option at qb to compete on a bigger stage. The next sequential question becomes if you commit to him are you foreclosing other better options at that position? This is not a simple issue and there are merits on both sides of the argument. Â It has to be remembered that what brought on this hot contested issue is that TT's play last year didn't indicate a progression from his first year here. If he would have made more progress in last year there would not be an issue surrounding the qb position. It's what happened on the field that made the organization re-visit the qb issue. That point has to be remembered. Â Â Most people can't see that. Bravo. Yes, committing 30 million to Tyrod Taylor does change the options you have at QB. The Bills themselves said that they would pick up the option if TT was in their LONG TERM PLANS. So if we pick up TT then you are selling us on paying a QB 30 million who can't hit receivers in stride, who can only throw 2 main routes, and depends on running to get first downs. Â You also will then not pick a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years. That would be horrible just to sell fans on false hope who still think this group is a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jms62 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Â Â Most people can't see that. Bravo. Yes, committing 30 million to Tyrod Taylor does change the options you have at QB. The Bills themselves said that they would pick up the option if TT was in their LONG TERM PLANS. So if we pick up TT then you are selling us on paying a QB 30 million who can't hit receivers in stride, who can only throw 2 main routes, and depends on running to get first downs. Â You also will then not pick a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years. That would be horrible just to sell fans on false hope who still think this group is a playoff team. Â Why can't you pick up a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judman Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Not having Sammy last year made it tough for this guy. I say keep him. He is not making top tier money. Get some guys to throw it to. The Bills had to pull in Percy freaking Harvin last year for crying out loud. Get some receivers and keep the guy who is being talked up as "the best FA to hit the market if the Bills cut him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I would prefer to keep him as a bridge qb. However, it seems that the people who are the most torn about keeping him reside in the organization. Many people make the argument that he is by far our best qb since Kelly. Without question that is a fair judgment. But he being our best option at qb right now isn't the bigger issue facing this front office. The crucial issue for them is whether TT as our franchise qb beyond the next couple of years is our best option at qb to compete on a bigger stage. The next sequential question becomes if you commit to him are you foreclosing other better options at that position? This is not a simple issue and there are merits on both sides of the argument. Â It has to be remembered that what brought on this hot contested issue is that TT's play last year didn't indicate a progression from his first year here. If he would have made more progress in last year there would not be an issue surrounding the qb position. It's what happened on the field that made the organization re-visit the qb issue. That point has to be remembered. That's the big questions John and a good one. My guess is that you are certainly married to him for AT LEAST 2 years. You are probably out on a QB (at least early this year), next year would be dependent on his play. If they are going to cut ties after 2018 then I could see a guy in the 2018 draft. Â Â Most people can't see that. Bravo. Yes, committing 30 million to Tyrod Taylor does change the options you have at QB. The Bills themselves said that they would pick up the option if TT was in their LONG TERM PLANS. So if we pick up TT then you are selling us on paying a QB 30 million who can't hit receivers in stride, who can only throw 2 main routes, and depends on running to get first downs. Â You also will then not pick a QB in the first 3 rounds for at least 2 years. That would be horrible just to sell fans on false hope who still think this group is a playoff team. I think just 2017. The Bills can walk away from Tyrod after 2018. If they like a guy in 2018 they can certainly pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 (edited) Two more years of Tyrod doesn't sound inspiring to me. No, I don't "hate" him. I want better QB play for this team. Edited February 10, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 So Bills fans and Bills analysts hate Tyrod, everyone else in the league thinks he's the best QB option if he becomes available. Â Sounds about right. Â Fully. Â The funny part about the Sirius argument, is that they agree with Bills fans, saying that Tyrod is likely a bridge QB for the next 2 - 3 years while you get a rook ready. But they added that he's going to get at least what the Bills are offering on the open market and that his salary is the going rate for a middle-of-pack QB with potential (or at least that hasn't completely flamed out). Â Will definitely be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Btw I think Carucci had the report and PFT picked it up http://buffalonews.com/2017/02/09/vic-caruccis-bills-mailbag-taylor-either-proposition/?utm_campaign=puma&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1486679573 Â Â http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/10/report-tyrod-taylor-unwilling-to-take-less-to-stay-with-bills/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 You might be right but when will teams learn to stop stretching on unproven or average at best players? When you have better options on your roster, which most teams don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Anyone that thinks the Bills are picking up the option on TT AND drafting a QB in the first round is deluding themselves. Â If the Bills pick up TT the Bills will be "making a playoff push" which means no high picks on QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Such an in-demand QB will surely net the Bills some nice draft picks. Taylors agent doing a nice job of stirring things up. Time for Whaley to leak that Taylor is available for trade. Bidding starts at a 1st and a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 The Jets are not interested in Jay Cutler (as had been rumored), but have their eyes on Tyrod Taylor and/or Mike Glennon: Â Â http://thejetpress.com/2017/01/16/new-york-jets-sights-tyrod-taylor/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Â Marrone hurt himself the way he left the Bills. I think that was a big reason why teams began to look at him as a quitter. The TT case at hand is completely different. Â That part of it is different, I agree. Â What is the same is that Marrone thought he was more in demand than what reality proved. He thought it was imminent that he'd be hired as a HC elsewhere. Â TT thinks it's imminent that he'll be signed on as an undisputed starter elsewhere. Â I didn't see it with Marrone; and I don't see it with Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Such an in-demand QB will surely net the Bills some nice draft picks. Taylors agent doing a nice job of stirring things up. Time for Whaley to leak that Taylor is available for trade. Bidding starts at a 1st and a 4th. Not if everybody knows you will be forced to let him go, for financial reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 DO NOT re-sign him. Take that money give it to Romo. When Tony gets here, all of our troubles will go away. He can see the middle of the field and he will hit Walter Powell in STRIDE. Tony will also fill the gap at strong safety. We can pay Tony a little more to help us install a 4-3 defense and keep Kyle Williams from retiring. It's a steal when you do the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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