Reed83HOF Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 http://buffalonews.com/2016/12/18/roster-data-shows-bills-gm-doug-whaley-not-building-roster-creating-nfls-biggest-hole/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Terrible article. By Graham's logic we should never have traded for Lesean MCoy because Kiko was a Bills draft pick and would have counted for a higher percentage of players drafted on our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Interesting read. This might explain why some may be trying to deflect "blame." I like Whaley, but if he or people in his department are throwing the head coach under the bus, the person(s) responsible need to be shown the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Nailed the Whaley-Nix dynamics perfectly. Why does Whaley get credit for Hughes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Thanks, Tim! WAKE UP, PEGS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Typical TBN bias garbage. Franchise QB's don't grow on trees like Timmy implies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 If what Graham says about waiting for juniors to declare before they are scouted is true, that is all you need to know. The organization is still in the dark ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Terrible article. By Graham's logic we should never have traded for Lesean MCoy because Kiko was a Bills draft pick and would have counted for a higher percentage of players drafted on our roster. Huh?? What a ridiculous take. Anyway, another home run by Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Get em Timmay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Nailed the Whaley-Nix dynamics perfectly. Why does Whaley get credit for Hughes? I haven't given credit to Whaley for Hughes. I don't recall too many people doing so. It's not surprising for the team to drum up good will toward people within the organization....seems pretty weird to call it out. Really, is there a counter example anywhere in the league of this type of thing? Do media interviews with organization leadership tend to heap praise on past personnel while throwing the trash on the current regime? If so, I'd like to see it. Really, this article is a heap of trash. Cherry picking facts and basically making up your own version of history in order to pretend there's some conspiracy within the Bills organization. Give me a break. Tim Graham has decided that he will hang his coat on running Whaley out of town. That should be fine, there's at least an argument to make for clearing house, but this type of non-sense is just fluff because there's really nothing substantial out there to write about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Huh?? What a ridiculous take. Anyway, another home run by Graham. He kind of rambled on too much about the drafted players by team.... but i liked how he shined a light on the bills little outsourcing blame and magnifying credit shell game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Doug Whaley is one of the best, if not the best, pro personnel scout in the NFL. Of course he's going to have a higher share of non draft-picks on his roster. The premise that this is a bad thing when your GM is clearly strong at it is silly. Edited December 19, 2016 by Chilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I haven't given credit to Whaley for Hughes. I don't recall too many people doing so. It's not surprising for the team to drum up good will toward people within the organization....seems pretty weird to call it out. Really, is there a counter example anywhere in the league of this type of thing? Do media interviews with organization leadership tend to heap praise on past personnel while throwing the trash on the current regime? If so, I'd like to see it. Really, this article is a heap of trash. Cherry picking facts and basically making up your own version of history in order to pretend there's some conspiracy within the Bills organization. Give me a break. Tim Graham has decided that he will hang his coat on running Whaley out of town. That should be fine, there's at least an argument to make for clearing house, but this type of non-sense is just fluff because there's really nothing substantial out there to write about. Everyone has. Doug Whaley is one of the best, if not the best, pro personnel scout in the NFL. Of course he's going to have a higher share of non draft-picks on his roster. The premise that this is a bad thing when your GM is clearly strong at it is silly. In a salary cap league, a high percentage of low cost draft picks is imperative for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I haven't given credit to Whaley for Hughes. I don't recall too many people doing so. It's not surprising for the team to drum up good will toward people within the organization....seems pretty weird to call it out. Really, is there a counter example anywhere in the league of this type of thing? Do media interviews with organization leadership tend to heap praise on past personnel while throwing the trash on the current regime? If so, I'd like to see it. Really, this article is a heap of trash. Cherry picking facts and basically making up your own version of history in order to pretend there's some conspiracy within the Bills organization. Give me a break. Tim Graham has decided that he will hang his coat on running Whaley out of town. That should be fine, there's at least an argument to make for clearing house, but this type of non-sense is just fluff because there's really nothing substantial out there to write about. It happens daily. You need to read more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 In a salary cap league, a high percentage of low cost draft picks is imperative for success. I don't think the salary cap is nearly that big of a deal. You do have to work inside of the constraints of it, but Polian talks a lot on Sirius NFL Radio how easy it is to create salary cap room if you need it. He calls it basically a non-factor most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Nailed the Whaley-Nix dynamics perfectly. Why does Whaley get credit for Hughes? I've asked this question on this forum many times over the years. Blaming EJ on Nix is necessary to keep the "Whaley is a genius" narrative alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) He kind of rambled on too much about the drafted players by team.... but i liked how he shined a light on the bills little outsourcing blame and magnifying credit shell game. The point of his article relied on comparative data. Doug Whaley is one of the best, if not the best, pro personnel scout in the NFL. Of course he's going to have a higher share of non draft-picks on his roster. The premise that this is a bad thing when your GM is clearly strong at it is silly. I think the premise was that the GM is clearly not that strong. You haven't really refuted the thrust of the article. You just simply told us Whaley is "the best". Unconvincing... Edited December 19, 2016 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 The point of his article relied on comparative data. I think the premise was that the GM is clearly not that strong. You haven't really refuted the thrust of the article. You just simply told us haley is "the best". Unconvincing... The premise was that the GM isn't strong because he built his roster differently than the way the other NFL teams have built their rosters. Whaley's strength is pro personnel scouting, it's not surprising his roster is built to favor pro personnel. This in and of itself isn't proof he's a bad or good GM, it's proof he builds his roster using his strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Typical TBN bias garbage. Franchise QB's don't grow on trees like Timmy implies. Meh. Graham states that EJ Manuel was the first QB the Bills have ever drafted with their first pick........but that is misleading because they actually TRADED their first pick to move back in round 1 and get the #2 pick they used on Kiko....... and then used the later first round pick they got to select Manuel. So if it is possible to UNDERSTATE how little effort the Bills have put into finding a QB.....how ALL IN they have NOT been......Graham did it. In that time they've drafted like 30 RB/DB with their first pick. True story, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Great article. Whaley had the benefit of salary cap flexibility in part because we lacked a franchise QB. He loaded up and overpaid for some and has masked the real deficiency, which has been his drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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