BringBackOrton Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Says who? Everything that has come out Whaley's own mouth suggests he wanted Rex as much as the Peguals. Do people just say this they want to believe Whaley is capable of better? Yes. It's just like "Tyrod NEVER got full offseason reps as QB," "Rex NEVER got to run his system with guys who bought in," "our offense and defense NEVER played a game where they were 100% healthy." All pipe dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 You seem to think I'm saying I "know" what would happen, but it's more like a strong belief. I think 40 NFL QB's could've beat th Jags in London and EJ managed to just miss that illustrious group. Weren't the Bills ahead when EJ left the field that day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Weren't the Bills ahead when EJ left the field that day? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Weren't the Bills ahead when EJ left the field that day? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Explain what his role in the resignation was. He was in the building. Dig deep enough and there's probably a Russ connection to Lou Saban quitting. Edited December 17, 2016 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 You seem to think I'm saying I "know" what would happen, but it's more like a strong belief. I think 40 NFL QB's could've beat th Jags in London and EJ managed to just miss that illustrious group. Where would I get that impression. Oh maybe from you. "Cassel wins that jags game going away" You just keep going off on these tangents and now you don't want to be taken literally? Look, this is going to be my last reply to you because it's just not going anywhere. Try to take a more balanced approach. The Pegula's bought the team during the 2014 season. Think about that. If that doesn't help you stop the hysteria than nothing will. All this blow things up, fire him, hire a czar, what the hell is he doing - and most certainly this crap from Lacanfora is amateur hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Where would I get that impression. Oh maybe from you. "Cassel wins that jags game going away" You just keep going off on these tangents and now you don't want to be taken literally? Look, this is going to be my last reply to you because it's just not going anywhere. Try to take a more balanced approach. The Pegula's bought the team during the 2014 season. Think about that. If that doesn't help you stop the hysteria than nothing will. All this blow things up, fire him, hire a czar, what the hell is he doing - and most certainly this crap from Lacanfora is amateur hour. The Pegulas took over a 9-7 team with a great defense and made them worse with just about every decision they made. Excuse me for not pretending otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I have no heartburn with what you described in 2004. The question is what did that have to do with 2014 under the Pegulas? There are a lot of folks in the building with positions of power across that stretch even if the GM and owner are different. Would it surprise you to find out that some of those people were difficult to work for/with and then sticking around created a culture that would be unhealthy? I'm not in the offices but the storyline is reasonable as an outsider looking in. He was in the building. Dig deep enough and there's probably a Russ connection to Lou Saban quitting. It's not just Russ that is consistent. Overdorf, littman etc... spanned that time. I'm not grabbing an organizational chart for both years but Ralph had some of those lifers in the organization that weren't getting attention like Russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Brandon has to go. While I'm in favor of firing Rex, it will do no good unless the entire organization is kicked to the curb. People complained nonstop about Ralph meddling... Russ is doing the same thing and using his "marketing" position as a cover to claim he isn't involved. If I had to guess, I'd say Whaley is feeding info to LaCanfora. I'm not a huge Whaley fan but if Russ is meddling in football operations, then he has every right to be pissed off. It feels like the top three guys (Russ, Whaley, and Rex) are on completely different wavelengths and are playing the blame game between the three of them. If that's true, then yeah, I'd say that's toxic. Bring in an experienced football person, give the the President title like Donahoe had, and let them do what they want. We need a front office and staff that is completely bought in and on the same page. That won't happen with the clowns in power right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I'm sure he would have done a great job just like he did with his casinos in Atlantic City or even when he ran the USFL out of business. small potatoes Brandon has to go. While I'm in favor of firing Rex, it will do no good unless the entire organization is kicked to the curb. People complained nonstop about Ralph meddling... Russ is doing the same thing and using his "marketing" position as a cover to claim he isn't involved. If I had to guess, I'd say Whaley is feeding info to LaCanfora. I'm not a huge Whaley fan but if Russ is meddling in football operations, then he has every right to be pissed off. It feels like the top three guys (Russ, Whaley, and Rex) are on completely different wavelengths and are playing the blame game between the three of them. If that's true, then yeah, I'd say that's toxic. Bring in an experienced football person, give the the President title like Donahoe had, and let them do what they want. We need a front office and staff that is completely bought in and on the same page. That won't happen with the clowns in power right now. Russ hired Whaley. Russ is the leak. Rex know this. He throws Brandon's name out when discussing the weekly meetings. Smart move by Rex. Defects the attention from Rex to Russ. Cutler? You must be kidding! Romo is a 37 year old major injury risk who won't come cheaply. At this point no Quarterback suggestion should be dismissed. Spin the wheel every year until you find one. Exactly. The one person that Pegula will listen to most right now is Russ. Until that changes, this franchise will never win. I'd say the past 17 years is pretty good proof of this. exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 If Rex goes and Whaley stays I'm going to Buffalo Bills Rehab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) So Two coaches quit Bills. One in 2004 and Marrone. So Pegula why don't you look at the people that were here for both coaches quitting and see that there is a problem. Hint it is the lifers. Edited December 17, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 If Rex goes and Whaley stays I'm going to Buffalo Bills Rehab. Wait, you mean like Dareus? Or actual rehab.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) So Two coaches quit Bills. One in 2004 and Marrone. So Pegula why don't you look at the people that were here for both coaches quitting and see that there is a problem. Hint it is the lifers. I don't buy the connection. Under Ralph, the football budget was very limited. With the Pegulas as owners, it's an entirely different scenario. Edited December 17, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) I don't buy the connection. Under Ralph, the football budget was very limited. With the Pegulas as owners, it's an entirely different scenario. Yet two coaches walk away from the NFL HC position for lesser positions. And there is no problem at the FO right. Brandon and other Lifers are a problem but hey keep them in place. There are people in place that have been part of this organizational failure for years, yet they just get promoted and are untouchable Edited December 17, 2016 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Yet two coaches walk away from the NFL HC position for lesser positions. And there is no problem at the FO right. Brandon and other Lifers are a problem but hey keep them in place. Mularkey and Marrone. Not exactly two stellar coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Mularkey and Marrone. Not exactly two stellar coaches. That's your defense of the organization? An obvious pivot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Mularkey and Marrone. Not exactly two stellar coaches. Does it matter? Doesn't that speak more loudly when mediocre coaches decide to walk away and take demotions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I am at the point we can keep cycling coaches and GMs but until the cancers in suits are identified and cut out in the organization we are never going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) That's your defense of the organization? An obvious pivot? Does it matter? Doesn't that speak more loudly when mediocre coaches decide to walk away and take demotions? If there is a connection, then go ahead and lay out what it is other than lifers. I get why Mularkey left and I don't defend the 2004 OBD operation. Edited December 17, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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