BrooklynBills Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 The only thing I buy in this is that this is a divided organization. On Rex's side, he can point to the obvious: glaring, gaping holes at safety and the WR group. On Whaley's: Rex hasn't gotten the production out of the D that even Pettine was able to, never mind Schwartz. Mario Williams quit on the team after less than a season with Rex, and vast resources have been poured in to try to right the ship and it still hasn't worked. Whaley got an extraordinary value in Kiko for Shady, struck gold with Darby, LorAx, Zach, Hughes and Ritchie, and got the pieces for the best rushing attack two years running. But it still isn't enough. I bet the knives are out. It's hard to tear it all down if they finish 9-7 but there is bad blood. FWIW, the last coach I remember being fired with a winning record was Lovie Smith from Chicago and neither side has done well since. Pettine had Searcy, Williams, and Byrd as the top 3 safeties if I recall. Also, let's review the players that you say Whaley "struck gold" on: Darby: inconsistent; almost benched in year 2 LoRax: an over 30 journeyman who now needs a new contract because we were so sure he was going to be good that we signed him to a one year deal Zach Brown: again, we were so sure of his talent that he was only signed to a one year deal and we will now have to overspend to keep him here Hughes: I like jerry Hughes. This had been a great trade. It also happened when Buddy Nix was still the GM, BTW. Incognito: I don't even think Whaley met with him in Miami. Pretty sure all the reports were that he met with Rex and then with ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLSviaPHILLY Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but I am not convinced Rex is getting fired. It's always reported that the Pegulas listen to the players (part of the reason Roman got axed), and since the reports of Rex getting canned have coe out a handful of players have publicly expressed that they think he should stay. I believe that will have some weight in the decision, so if its still being discussed, that could be the determining factor in whether he stays or goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Pettine had Searcy, Williams, and Byrd as the top 3 safeties if I recall. Also, let's review the players that you say Whaley "struck gold" on: Darby: inconsistent; almost benched in year 2 LoRax: an over 30 journeyman who now needs a new contract because we were so sure he was going to be good that we signed him to a one year deal Zach Brown: again, we were so sure of his talent that he was only signed to a one year deal and we will now have to overspend to keep him here Hughes: I like jerry Hughes. This had been a great trade. It also happened when Buddy Nix was still the GM, BTW. Incognito: I don't even think Whaley met with him in Miami. Pretty sure all the reports were that he met with Rex and then with ownership. Man, you really see Byrd and Searcy really lighting it up now, don't you? Right,they got horribly overpaid elsewhere. Searcy hasn't exactly lit it up with the Titans and Byrd has become the prime case for "this is why you don't pay out big for a safety" naysayers. Also, Byrd missed half the year you say was so amazing. And then, they were miraculously better the next year without them. I'll admit that Darby is having a down year. But he's getting very little help with safety play. If you want to indict Whaley for not doing enough to help the safety group, and he overly counted on AW getting through one more year I'm right there with you. But let's not make out Byrd and Searcy as horrific losses. You want to say that Zack and LorAx are going to go elsewhere? Well, we have their replacements waiting I'm the wings. There is something to be said for having a nose to find journeymen who are motivated to outplay expectations and Whaley seems to have it. Do you seriously believe that the GM had nothing to do with bringing Incognito in? Whaley struck first, and Ritchie has been our best lineman all season. And even if, by some miracle, the Pegula's brought him in without their GM, Whaley has made sure he is staying with a very reasonable deal. The man has flaws. WR, S and QB looks messy right now. But let's not misrepresent things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but I am not convinced Rex is getting fired. It's always reported that the Pegulas listen to the players (part of the reason Roman got axed), and since the reports of Rex getting canned have coe out a handful of players have publicly expressed that they think he should stay. I believe that will have some weight in the decision, so if its still being discussed, that could be the determining factor in whether he stays or goes. The Pegulas talk to a lot of people. They talk to the players. They talk to the personnel guys. They talk to the coaches. They undoubtedly talk to football people outside the organization. And they talk to fans though we probably have the least influence. We don't know if there's a consensus growing among these different official & unofficial advisory groups that Rex needs to go. We do know that the Pegulas appreciate the importance of continuity. While I wouldn't be shocked if Rex was fired, right now I'm not convinced either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Ok moron: Man, you really see Byrd and Searcy really lighting it up now, don't you? Right,they got horribly overpaid elsewhere. Searcy hasn't exactly lit it up with the Titans and Byrd has become the prime case for "this is why you don't pay out big for a safety" naysayers. Also, Byrd missed half the year you say was so amazing. And then, they were miraculously better the next year without them. I'll admit that Darby is having a down year. But he's getting very little help with safety play. If you want to indict Whaley for not doing enough to help the safety group, and he overly counted on AW getting through one more year I'm right there with you. But let's not make out Byrd and Searcy as horrific losses. You want to say that Zack and LorAx are going to go elsewhere? Well, we have their replacements waiting I'm the wings. There is something to be said for having a nose to find journeymen who are motivated to outplay expectations and Whaley seems to have it. Do you seriously believe that the GM had nothing to do with bringing Incognito in? Whaley struck first, and Ritchie has been our best lineman all season. And even if, by some miracle, the Pegula's brought him in without their GM, Whaley has made sure he is staying with a very reasonable deal. The man has flaws. WR, S and QB looks messy right now. But let's not misrepresent things. Byrd is overpaid; absolutely. Searcy has a $6 mil/yr avg. Not overpaid. He's arguably been the Titans best player in the secondary. He also made plays here and was on the 2014 Schwartz D. I could care less about the fact that we let them go. I care that the players brought in to replace them were a 4th round total waste of a pick in Duke Williams and a converted CB in Graham. Graham has been ok. But the depth behind these players is atrocious. We are not getting good value out of the draft. Duke Williams -4th round Bryce Brown - 4th round Traded a 4th in Watkins trade Traded 2 4ths in Ragland trade Ross cockrell - 4th round I realize that the draft is an inexact science but thats alot of wasted value in the middle of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 The Bills are better than 8 win talent. Correct. But they have a 3 win QB that averages them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Correct. But they have a 3 win QB that averages them out. Well at least he appears to be over achieving then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Good Guy yes. Good Defensive coordinator no. Having "good guys" around is why this organization has not sniffed the playoffs in going on 17 years.I'm OK with Rex being fired at the end of the season. My point was regarding the rumor that he had already been informed by Pegula that he was going to be relieved. Either fire him now or bite your tongue until end of season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but I am not convinced Rex is getting fired. It's always reported that the Pegulas listen to the players (part of the reason Roman got axed), and since the reports of Rex getting canned have coe out a handful of players have publicly expressed that they think he should stay. I believe that will have some weight in the decision, so if its still being discussed, that could be the determining factor in whether he stays or goes. I could see the Bills blowing it up big time, firing only Rex, or staying pat. They will explain away any of these scenarios which would appease some of the fans and ticking off the rest. I think the Bills organization as a whole lacks a focused plan thus mediocre results if not worse. Edited December 20, 2016 by DCbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 @AACynicalCinema @jchenelly So is Coughlin still the favorite besides Lynn? Reply to @AACynicalCinema Joe Chenelly @jchenelly @AACynicalCinema They share the inside track, yes. But keep in mind 2 yrs ago they had their minds set before Rex changed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 @AACynicalCinema @jchenelly So is Coughlin still the favorite besides Lynn? Reply to @AACynicalCinema Joe Chenelly @jchenelly @AACynicalCinema They share the inside track, yes. But keep in mind 2 yrs ago they had their minds set before Rex changed them. Set on who? Or should I ask, set on Hue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 What's Kevin Gilbride up to? I think he retired after the Giants won thier second Super Bowl over the Patsies** with him as OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Nails Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Here's another tweet from Joe on potential coaching targets: Coaches I expect #Bills to interview: Austin, Coughlin, Bevel, K Shanahan, M Smith. Dan Quinn nearly got the job 2 yrs ago. #BillsMafia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Here's another tweet from Joe on potential coaching targets: Coaches I expect #Bills to interview: Austin, Coughlin, Bevel, K Shanahan, M Smith. Dan Quinn nearly got the job 2 yrs ago. #BillsMafia Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) Who? Lions DC Damn. Imagine Quinn/Shanahan here. Edited December 29, 2016 by Big C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Not interviewing Jim Bob Cooter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Lions DC Damn. Imagine Quinn/Shanahan here. Don't know anything about him, how is there D? Don't know why they aren't interviewing Schwartz, does he not get along with Whaley either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Don't know anything about him, how is there D? Was great his first year two middling years since losing Suh. Seems he is recognised around the league as a leader though so I don't think it is on the strength of his scheme that he will be in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 Lions DC Damn. Imagine Quinn/Shanahan here. Man they really blew that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 The Lions defense is no better than ours. No thanks to Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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