YoloinOhio Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) A December tradition like none other http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tension-mounting-in-cleveland-where-yet-more-change-is-feared/ Hue playing the role of Ted Nolan in this tank job Edited November 13, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Good oc and now working by the mistake by the lake. Good as gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Horton isn't a very good DC and that's shown in the Browns defense this season. They are talent deficient to be sure, but there also has been far too many fundamental mistakes by that defense. And they aren't improving in that regard. I was surprised by his hire, but maybe no one else would take the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Instead of a fool and his money maybe it is a fool and his football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) Thank you Terry and Kim. I think the Bills have a pretty good FO. Not sure yet about the coach, but the foundation starts in the FO. Stability and consistency of vision and approach are so important. Hue Jackson, Mike Pettine are both good coaches who have been fed into the sausage machine. In another era, I would be happy with Jackson as OC and Pettine as DC. Edited November 13, 2016 by Utah John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) Its hard to believe that 2 years ago, Pettine was 7-4 with hardly better talent. Since then (after Hoyer collapsed and manziel replaced him) they have been 3-27. Edited November 13, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Horton isn't a very good DC and that's shown in the Browns defense this season. They are talent deficient to be sure, but there also has been far too many fundamental mistakes by that defense. And they aren't improving in that regard. I was surprised by his hire, but maybe no one else would take the job. Seemed pretty good in Arizona That team is a complete train wreck...from top to bottom...at least we can say Thank God we aren't the Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 13, 2016 Author Share Posted November 13, 2016 Browns fans planning a parade through downtown if they go 0-16 http://deadspin.com/cleveland-browns-fan-plans-parade-to-celebrate-franchis-1788904385?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Seemed pretty good in ArizonaThat team is a complete train wreck...from top to bottom...at least we can say Thank God we aren't the Browns Maybe I should give Horton more credit and wait and see what he does with more talent next year or even in 2018, but that defense is even worse than its personnel this season. And that's saying something because the personnel is bad. I hate seeing anyone use the Browns as any kind of measuring stick for the Bills or any other team. If that's what you have to resort to saying, then things must be pretty bad where you are, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Browns fans planning a parade through downtown if they go 0-16 http://deadspin.com/cleveland-browns-fan-plans-parade-to-celebrate-franchis-1788904385?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow Well they can't have everything. They already have the Cavs & the Indians. I think they may be out of favors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 they need to try and go 0-16. The 2008 Lions ruled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Moneyball and analytics is panning out big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 I hope Terry calls the Browns to say they can trade for our head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 a couple of thoughts Tanking ? for what player ? I wonder if Rex brings Petine in next year, moves Thurman to another spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Best line... Morale is low, even by Browns standards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 a couple of thoughts Tanking ? for what player ? I wonder if Rex brings Petine in next year, moves Thurman to another spot. I'd be surprised if that happened. They didn't part on the best of terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 So just so you know Hugh Jackson was my pick if we DIDNT hire Rex...... Just goes to show you its not as easy as just firing a HC and hiring another one...there actually needs to be a viable HC available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 So just so you know Hugh Jackson was my pick if we DIDNT hire Rex...... Just goes to show you its not as easy as just firing a HC and hiring another one...there actually needs to be a viable HC available It's insane to make any judgments about Jackson at this point. He has been done to his 4th string qb. I'd trade Jackson for Rex in a second if we have the same roster. Does anyone expect Rex to be doing much better in Cleveland? they need to try and go 0-16. The 2008 Lions ruled I hate the idea of tanking but this is the right move. 3-13 gets you nothing. A big part of the Bills problem is they never quite hit rock bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Moneyball and analytics is panning out big time. Moneyball and analytics never meant that the Browns would be good this year. This is part of a several season accumulation of talent, both of quality and quantity. And it is the right approach. A big part of the Bills problem is they never quite hit rock bottom. Winning is about quality scouting, prudent talent acquisition and retention, and luck, not hitting rock bottom in all cases. If you have the #1 pick, you can trade it for multiple valuable high picks, but the Bills' problem hasn't been a failure to hit rock bottom. Many of the top teams in the league now can't attribute their current success to a "bottom" that they hit at some relatively recent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 It's insane to make any judgments about Jackson at this point. He has been done to his 4th string qb. I'd trade Jackson for Rex in a second if we have the same roster. Does anyone expect Rex to be doing much better in Cleveland? I hate the idea of tanking but this is the right move. 3-13 gets you nothing. A big part of the Bills problem is they never quite hit rock bottom. I agree on both points (HC and tank). Mediocre records lead to mediocre draft picks and those mediocre picks sometimes force a GM to make a trade he otherwise might not, or even pick a player who has issues, but, is an otherwise "good value." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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