Thurmal34 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Reading thru the D Carr thread, it seems the idea of drafting a R1 QB every year has come up again. While popular in theory, how does this strategy play out in practice? In year one, you take a R1 QB. Assuming you have a JAG you want to replace, and a QB3 that is just that, this new QB becomes QB2. In the (likely) event that he does not win the job, you draft another QB in year 2 and release either JAG or QB 3. You've now paid out R1 rookie deals to both players. How does camp go? Who leads? Who gets reps? If they both are young QBs that need seasoning, what do you do then? Draft another QB year 3 in R1? If so, and the QB you drafted in R1 begins to develop, what do you do? You now have 3 guys you paid R1 deals to in consecutive years at the same position, two of whom will not play for 5 years but can't be cut. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The Jets are hoarding QBs and are in last place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The Jets are hoarding QBs and are in last place Clowns draft QBs often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I wouldn't say drafting one in Round 1 a smart move yet drafting one in Rounds 4 - 7 not a bad thing as teams like the Steelers, Packers under Ron Wolf and the Eagles and Jaguars had some success in it as they were able to find guys later that could be moved for other assets later or try to develop someone. The Bills on the other hand haven't drafted many QBs. Yet in watching Whaley as a GM he seems to be building the team around the QB not necessarily looking for a QB which might lead us to draft more QBs until we find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Reading thru the D Carr thread, it seems the idea of drafting a R1 QB every year has come up again. While popular in theory, how does this strategy play out in practice? In year one, you take a R1 QB. Assuming you have a JAG you want to replace, and a QB3 that is just that, this new QB becomes QB2. In the (likely) event that he does not win the job, you draft another QB in year 2 and release either JAG or QB 3. You've now paid out R1 rookie deals to both players. How does camp go? Who leads? Who gets reps? If they both are young QBs that need seasoning, what do you do then? Draft another QB year 3 in R1? If so, and the QB you drafted in R1 begins to develop, what do you do? You now have 3 guys you paid R1 deals to in consecutive years at the same position, two of whom will not play for 5 years but can't be cut. Discuss. If you draft a new QB every year, you will want to play the new guy. So you throw him in. If he doesn't light it up, you draft a new QB and give him 5-6 games. He doesn't help you and you just repeat the cycle. It's like playing a slot machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Its a dumb idea, there is a reason teams dont do it. With each new quarterback you draft your gonna ruin your previous ones confidence, cut into his practice reps and hinder or stop his development, not to mention the rest of your team will also begin to suck. Cant have more than 3 quarterbacks anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Scouting is the key Dallas Tony Romo UDFA Dak Prescott 4th rd NE Brady 6th rd Garoppolo 2nd rd 62nd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Clowns draft QBs often. Especially the Patriots I wouldn't say drafting one in Round 1 a smart move yet drafting one in Rounds 4 - 7 not a bad thing as teams like the Steelers, Packers under Ron Wolf and the Eagles and Jaguars had some success in it as they were able to find guys later that could be moved for other assets later or try to develop someone. The Bills on the other hand haven't drafted many QBs. Yet in watching Whaley as a GM he seems to be building the team around the QB not necessarily looking for a QB which might lead us to draft more QBs until we find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Its a dumb idea, there is a reason teams dont do it. With each new quarterback you draft your gonna ruin your previous ones confidence, cut into his practice reps and hinder or stop his development, not to mention the rest of your team will also begin to suck. Cant have more than 3 quarterbacks anyway Post of the decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I'd love to see the Bills take another value QB in the 2017 draft. Idt that every year is the answer, but we have seen time and time again, other clubs finding value in mid round picks while they already have a starter (I.e. Kirk Cousins). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TANK2 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Clowns draft QBs often. The Patriots seem to draft them often. At least recently. Are they clowns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Not a practical idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Keep drafting QBs until you have one. Do you always take them in the 1st round no, but you always have to keep the position stocked not bare. The sad fact is in the years the Patriots have had Brady they have drafted more QBs than the Lowly Bills how have been in QB hell for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 It doesn't work. As was pointed out the Jet's are using 4 roster spots on QB's and have no idea if any of them are any good except Fitz, is the only one they actually know what they have in (and not good) I've read more than once that typically a backup QB, the #2 guy not #3 get's like about six reps a week with the 1st team, so how do you ever develop that guy. These days with the new CBA with reduced off season work, it's even harder. It's fine to draft a guy every couple of years, or draft a guy solely as a development guy, like the Bills did this year with Jones. But drafting a player each year thinking he could become the answer will never work. Yes NE does it, but strictly as backup's you're not looking for a starter. And how many star QB's that NE drafts go to other teams and then fail i.e. Matt Cassell Reading thru the D Carr thread, it seems the idea of drafting a R1 QB every year has come up again. While popular in theory, how does this strategy play out in practice?In year one, you take a R1 QB. Assuming you have a JAG you want to replace, and a QB3 that is just that, this new QB becomes QB2. In the (likely) event that he does not win the job, you draft another QB in year 2 and release either JAG or QB 3. You've now paid out R1 rookie deals to both players. How does camp go? Who leads? Who gets reps? If they both are young QBs that need seasoning, what do you do then? Draft another QB year 3 in R1? If so, and the QB you drafted in R1 begins to develop, what do you do? You now have 3 guys you paid R1 deals to in consecutive years at the same position, two of whom will not play for 5 years but can't be cut.Discuss. The Jets are hoarding QBs and are in last place Fixed it. If these teams had really scouted these guys and knew they would be even half as good as they are, there's no way they ever would have let them fall as far as they did and not moved up and picked them earlier. Just like when the Bills drafted Thurman Thomas in Round #2. If they had known he'd become as good as he did, they'd have moved up and got him sooner. They got lucky that time. LUCK Scouting is the key Dallas Tony Romo UDFA Dak Prescott 4th rd NE Brady 6th rd Garoppolo 2nd rd 62nd pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 If you draft a new QB every year, you will want to play the new guy. So you throw him in. If he doesn't light it up, you draft a new QB and give him 5-6 games. He doesn't help you and you just repeat the cycle. It's like playing a slot machine. Why look at it negative, What if you find Dak Prescott or Derek CArr or Blake Bortles in that draft every year search. Why draft a RB every year then, or a CB every year, etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 This has not been talked about a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 drafting a qb in rounds 4-7 every year is a low risk proposition. I think you identify a qb with one above the margins skill. Big arm. athletic, high football iQ . Then try to develop him. Right now they have a fine developmental guy in Jones. Nothing wrong with adding another one next year. In addition is you have to carry 4 on the 53 so be it It is the most important position on the field. If you have to live without a Special team specialist they will survive, half of the kickoffs and punts don't get returned in the modern game. It doesn't work. As was pointed out the Jet's are using 4 roster spots on QB's and have no idea if any of them are any good except Fitz, is the only one they actually know what they have in (and not good) I've read more than once that typically a backup QB, the #2 guy not #3 get's like about six reps a week with the 1st team, so how do you ever develop that guy. These days with the new CBA with reduced off season work, it's even harder. It's fine to draft a guy every couple of years, or draft a guy solely as a development guy, like the Bills did this year with Jones. The Jets are failing doesn't mean it is a bad idea. I wouldn't use a pick in the first three rounds unless it was a player they thing can start in the near future But drafting a player each year thinking he could become the answer will never work. Yes NE does it, but strictly as backup's you're not looking for a starter. And how many star QB's that NE drafts go to other teams and then fail i.e. Matt Cassell Fixed it. If these teams had really scouted these guys and knew they would be even half as good as they are, there's no way they ever would have let them fall as far as they did and not moved up and picked them earlier. Just like when the Bills drafted Thurman Thomas in Round #2. If they had known he'd become as good as he did, they'd have moved up and got him sooner. They got lucky that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 The idea isn't to draft a round 1 QB every year. The idea is to draft a QB of every year of different talent levels so that you are always grooming someone for the position. Not to put your team building on hold until you hit on a first round QB. The other idea is to never feel like you are set at that position. And that is what the well run teams do. I will say this because apparently too many people here listen to the Bills spin machine: YOU DO NOT NEED TO DRAFT A QB IN THE FIRST ROUND TO BE SUCCESSFUL Good QBs are found in every round. It would also help to join the modern NFL and implement a more complex passing system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Reading thru the D Carr thread, it seems the idea of drafting a R1 QB every year has come up again. While popular in theory, how does this strategy play out in practice? In year one, you take a R1 QB. Assuming you have a JAG you want to replace, and a QB3 that is just that, this new QB becomes QB2. In the (likely) event that he does not win the job, you draft another QB in year 2 and release either JAG or QB 3. You've now paid out R1 rookie deals to both players. How does camp go? Who leads? Who gets reps? If they both are young QBs that need seasoning, what do you do then? Draft another QB year 3 in R1? If so, and the QB you drafted in R1 begins to develop, what do you do? You now have 3 guys you paid R1 deals to in consecutive years at the same position, two of whom will not play for 5 years but can't be cut. Discuss. I'm not aware of anyone in favor of the policy actually suggesting it be done in ROUND ONE. This has come up before. I would love to draft someone every year but always looking for the hidden gem in lower rounds. But even if you took one in the first round, with Whaley's/Bills love of wasting first round picks, I'm not sure it would negatively impact overall team talent that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Also, when you don't draft and develop QBs constantly, you put yourself in position to be where the Bills are now and for the last few years. Where you are forced to overdraft EJ Manuel in 2012 and now are being backed in to committing lots of cap space to Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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