jimmy10 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Who operated on his foot? Dr. A. C. Countable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 (edited) http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000350427/article/buffalo-bills-move-for-sammy-watkins-came-at-huge-cost omg. I'm aware of the 2014 draft. Your comment quoted me saying they should draft a wr this year. You referred to 2 #1s in 2017. What are you talking about exactly. Edited October 2, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 You don't need a medical degree to know that a broken bone in your foot in April shouldn't put you on IR in October. If he was hurt he needed to rehab, not be out there in training camp limping around Unfortunately, its pretty common to have to have a second procedure done with this...Julio Jones had the same issue...he's just getting back this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 he was not in pain. He was fully healed. This surgery has a 3 month recovery time to being fully healed. He had that. He said he felt great and ready to go, as well. In 20 percent of cases, the player needs a second surgery AFTER they return to game action. It happened to Julio. It happened to Edelman. It happened to Dez. None of these guys play for Bills. There is nothing out of the ordinary in terms of how the Bills handled it. He had multiple fractures. The current one causing an issue was expected to heal without any sugery, but it didn't. He tried to play through it, but couldn't. Now he's having surgery to help it finally heal properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 So you're automatically assuming there is no possibility the the Bills recommended surgery back in January or a different surgical option than Watkins went with, and it's completly sim-diagnosed by Buffalo. Teams can highly recommend following a certain path, but ultimately it's up to the player to decide what he chooses to do and often the player chooses the path of least surgery. The one thing for certain is neither you nor I have any idea which really happened or something in between. Our doctors are clearly incompetent so it will be good to see a specialist. Should have done this months ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Teacup kittens are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 So if I'm reading this right most of these injuries don't require surgery 80% of the time. Of the 20% that do require surgery only 20% require a second surgery. So we're saying that from the time he first injured the foot there was only a 4% chance that Watkins would end up requiring two surgeries? Of course that's what happened, he's on the Bills. Snake bit doesn't even begin to describe it at this point. There are a couple of wrinkles - for example, elite athletes normally have surgery immediately in an attempt to shorten the recovery time, as when Edelman had surgery mid-November and came back in mid-January for playoffs. Also we don't yet know if Watkins will need 2 surgeries. But yeah, fundamentally, this appears to be a relatively low probability outcome. Apparently the Bills really just can't have nice things. He had multiple fractures. The current one causing an issue was expected to heal without any sugery, but it didn't. He tried to play through it, but couldn't. Now he's having surgery to help it finally heal properly. This is the first I've heard Watkins was playing through a disjoined unrepaired fracture. Can you say more - source, article, etc? In April. This is October. Should have had regular checkups since then and should not have been on field in training camp if he was still in pain. It's very probable Watkins was getting regular followups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 This is the first I've heard Watkins was playing through a disjoined unrepaired fracture. Can you say more - source, article, etc? I'll have to dig for the article. It was from when he missed OTAs and TC. The article said that he had one fracture that didnt heal on its own as expected. It wasn't missed or anything. Some fractures of that nature require surgery and some don't. They gave him the extra rest for it to heal. I'm speculating that the current problem is that same fracture. It could be a surgically repaired one that he's having trouble with - and it really doesn't much matter to us fans at this point - but I'd put my money on the fracture that kept him out earlier this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Franklin Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 I have a friend who broke their foot and had screws and pins put in. 4 surgeries and 2 years later they are still recovering from it! I know everyone's injuries are different, but this could be a long road back for Sammy. Broken foot can be a tough injury for an athlete. It's sometimes the kiss of doom in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbossman2 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Hands and feet are both highly specialized areas of medical expertise. of the 2, feet are even more specialized as they are subjected significantly higher levels of physical stress: 200 pounds onto comparatively small surface area, then factor in running (more pounds per square inch), jumping (even more pounds per square inch) and getting hit (even more pounds per square inch). Even a slight flaw in the foot is a recipe for the foot to be re-injured and re-injuries take much longer to heal and the odds of permanent injury increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Between 30-50%, depending on literature, of Jones Fractures require surgical re-repair due to non- union after surgical union! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I've been a bit preoccupied with hurricane Matthew. What was the outcome of Sammy's examination? Does he need second surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) So if I'm reading this right most of these injuries don't require surgery 80% of the time. Of the 20% that do require surgery only 20% require a second surgery. So we're saying that from the time he first injured the foot there was only a 4% chance that Watkins would end up requiring two surgeries? Of course that's what happened, he's on the Bills. Snake bit doesn't even begin to describe it at this point. I'd like to think that NFL athletes are putting far more pressure on that area in a repeated fashion than others and so it's far more likely they would need a second surgery than the general populationHands and feet are both highly specialized areas of medical expertise. of the 2, feet are even more specialized as they are subjected significantly higher levels of physical stress: 200 pounds onto comparatively small surface area, then factor in running (more pounds per square inch), jumping (even more pounds per square inch) and getting hit (even more pounds per square inch). Even a slight flaw in the foot is a recipe for the foot to be re-injured and re-injuries take much longer to heal and the odds of permanent injury increases.Exactly my point...the general population puts nowhere near the stress that football players put on their feet on a daily basis in a repeated fashion. Edited October 8, 2016 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 two #1s? @profootballdoc #SammyWatkins @buffalobills Bad news: season over Good news: 100% for 2017 when healed. See #Edelman #Dez #Julio & many more WR examples. Is 100% certainty real ? In the offseason, I came to believe that he will be100% for 2016. No more false hopes. There are a couple of wrinkles - for example, elite athletes normally have surgery immediately in an attempt to shorten the recovery time, as when Edelman had surgery mid-November and came back in mid-January for playoffs. Also we don't yet know if Watkins will need 2 surgeries. Please give me a Cliff notes version - how much do you believe the '100% healed in 2017' prognosis is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I've been a bit preoccupied with hurricane Matthew. What was the outcome of Sammy's examination? Does he need second surgery? Nothing official either way as of now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Our doctors are clearly incompetent so it will be good to see a specialist. Should have done this months ago Football is a violent game. Injuries happen. And not every injury will be fully corrected by one surgery. Medical science just hasn't reached that level yet. I seriously doubt our doctors are incompetent. And I don't know it's okay to denigrate people online without any actual knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Nothing official either way as of now Given how reticent Sammy and/or the team were to provide information about his injuries/treatment until they affected mandatory OTA, I doubt we will hear anything more unless 1) it's decided he could come back later this fall or 2) until next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I think he'll be back week 12, but that is just a wild guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile1 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 As a frequent reader but rare poster to this board, I would say that "Hapless" post was about the most informative actual data I have ever seen on this site. You even posted the powerpoint article of the surgeon's technique! good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) guys - for all those who are opining that Sammy was misdiagnosed or chose the wrong surgery/time/surgeon, consider this: "For several reasons, a Jones fracture may not unite. The diaphyseal bone (zone II), where the fracture occurs, is an area of potentially poor blood supply, existing in a watershed area between two blood supplies. This may compromise healing. In addition, there are various tendons, including the peroneus brevis and fibularis tertius, and two small muscles attached to the bone. These may pull the fracture apart and prevent healing." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jones_fracture I am very familiar with this fracture as I started my career as an orthopedic surgical sales rep and the Jones fracture, along with with the scaphoid (hand) are notorious for higher rates of non-union. Edited October 8, 2016 by BuffaninATL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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