Jonathan Martin... Still Whining About Richie

[H2o]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/14/jonathan-martin-incognito-is-a-bad-person-because-hes-allowed-to-be-in-the-realm-he-occupies/

 

“He’s got his own issues like I had issues with depression related to dealing with all their BS, but I don’t even know if Richie wants to be a bad person. Part of me thinks he just is because he’s allowed to be in the realm he occupies. It’s weird because we still have mutual friends. I have no desire to ever see or talk to him. I’ll get nothing from it. That’s in the past. I don’t know what his thoughts are and I don’t really care, honestly,” Martin told USA Today.

 

Let it go bro, just let it go.

[dwight in philly]

IMHO, martin is just a wuss. if anybody has played sports, or been remotely connected to it , it is not a PC environment. it appears his persona is not conducive to being in a lockeroom. i think richie looks better all the time as time moves on.

Edited May 15, 2016 by dwight in philly

[BringBackFergy]

Hopefully Ritchie doesn't tweet, talk, or comment on this at all. Martin may be baiting him to comment.

[dwight in philly]

Hopefully Ritchie doesn't tweet, talk, or comment on this at all. Martin may be baiting him to comment.

i thought about that also upon reading this yesterday, my first thought was that richie may have a difficult time restraining himself,and hopefully will. but if a fragile jackass like martin is doing this to bait richie, i hope richie stays above it.

[Dopey]

i thought about that also upon reading this yesterday, my first thought was that richie may have a difficult time restraining himself,and hopefully will. but if a fragile jackass like martin is doing this to bait richie, i hope richie stays above it.

He was interviewed after doing a presentation on social isolation of kids. Of course the question regarding Richie is going to come up, if the reporter is any good. Richie is fine and Martin did nothing wrong in answering the question. Richie was a real ass with Martin and Martin didn't handle it the way some would. Richie should have seen this and backed off. But, nope he kept on with Martin til Martin said "enough". I wasn't gonna reply til I saw your " fragile jackass " comment. Really!?!? No baiting involved, he answered the question as asked of him. It's pretty easy to be a keyboard tough guy, isn't it?

[NoSaint]

That comment wasn't all that insulting to Richie and likely fairly accurate.... They both had issues. If the locker room culture didn't encourage bad behavior Richie probably acts differently but he kind of filled a role that the situation created.

 

My biggest gripe with martins comment is Richie was having issues in other venues too. He's our guy now but we don't have to ignore his past fully.

[dwight in philly]

He was interviewed after doing a presentation on social isolation of kids. Of course the question regarding Richie is going to come up, if the reporter is any good. Richie is fine and Martin did nothing wrong in answering the question. Richie was a real ass with Martin and Martin didn't handle it the way some would. Richie should have seen this and backed off. But, nope he kept on with Martin til Martin said "enough". I wasn't gonna reply til I saw your " fragile jackass " comment. Really!?!? No baiting involved, he answered the question as asked of him. It's pretty easy to be a keyboard tough guy, isn't it?

a very "sensitive " take.. but just disagree with your assessment.. martin is a fragile jackass.. i would submit that is the opinion most have of him in football circles, "It's pretty easy to be a keyboard tough guy, isn't it?"..IT IS!

Edited May 15, 2016 by dwight in philly

[metzelaars_lives]

He was interviewed after doing a presentation on social isolation of kids. Of course the question regarding Richie is going to come up, if the reporter is any good. Richie is fine and Martin did nothing wrong in answering the question. Richie was a real ass with Martin and Martin didn't handle it the way some would. Richie should have seen this and backed off. But, nope he kept on with Martin til Martin said "enough". I wasn't gonna reply til I saw your " fragile jackass " comment. Really!?!? No baiting involved, he answered the question as asked of him. It's pretty easy to be a keyboard tough guy, isn't it?

Good post.

[KDIGGZ]

one guy has redeemed himself and gone on to become a team leader and Pro Bowler once again and the other is out of the NFL. seems like Martin just couldn't hack it and wants to blame others for his insecurities

[Nanker]

Cogs could crush him with silence. Would that it is so.

[H2o]

Martin is probably a bit disgusted that Richie was able to get back into the league and is now doing well for himself again. He on the other hand is now out of the league and the perception of him is that of being a soft, whistle-blower who couldn't take what goes on in a normal NFL locker room. I've been in a factory\manufacturing environment pretty much my whole adult life. People say things all the time. You either learn to be become quick witted and dish it out just as fast as they try to give it to you or you let them get under your skin. If at any point they see it is getting under your skin they will try to ride you that much more. Some people just aren't built for it. They can't take it.

Edited May 15, 2016 by H2o

[iinii]

We could take up a collection and send him some cheese.

[Thurman#1]

I don't see it.

 

He was asked a question and answered it. Where's the problem?

 

By this logic, aren't people still posting on this issue still whining about Jonathan Martin?

[jr1]

a lot of the texts were just Wayans brothers style humor. This guy is trying to get speaking fees and a book out of it

[NoSaint]

I don't see it.

 

He was asked a question and answered it. Where's the problem?

 

By this logic, aren't people still posting on this issue still whining about Jonathan Martin?

It seems anyone bothered by today's quote likely has issues with thin skin themselves, doesn't it?

[dwight in philly]

I don't see it.

 

He was asked a question and answered it. Where's the problem?

 

By this logic, aren't people still posting on this issue still whining about Jonathan Martin?

not at all.. just expressing their respective opinions on a topic.

It seems anyone bothered by today's quote likely has issues with thin skin themselves, doesn't it?

a stretch.. to say the least..

[papazoid]

#1- Jonathan Martin spends time talking to schoolchildren about social isolation. which is a good thing. if children see somebody his size can be bullied and/or not feel good about themselves, than it can happen to anyone.

 

#2- the NFL has a workplace problem where bullies are encouraged and allowed to thrive. Hopefully that is getting better.

 

#3- Richie WAS a total piece of chit back then. it looks like he has learned from his mistake(s). Hopefully he continues behaving.

 

#4- Martin took richie's crap as a rookie, but said enough is enough when it continued in his 2nd season. Martin did nothing wrong.

[dwight in philly]

#1- Jonathan Martin spends time talking to schoolchildren about social isolation. which is a good thing. if children see somebody his size can be bullied and/or not feel good about themselves, than it can happen to anyone.

 

#2- the NFL has a workplace problem where bullies are encouraged and allowed to thrive. Hopefully that is getting better.

 

#3- Richie WAS a total piece of chit back then. it looks like he has learned from his mistake(s). Hopefully he continues behaving.

 

#4- Martin took richie's crap as a rookie, but said enough is enough when it continued in his 2nd season. Martin did nothing wrong.

Martin is a freakin head case! i wouldnt want any children taking any advice from him!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/14/jonathan-martin-incognito-is-a-bad-person-because-hes-allowed-to-be-in-the-realm-he-occupies/

 

Let it go bro, just let it go.

 

Dude, be fair. The guy was being interviewed. The interviewer asked the question.

The linked article above simply excerpts a portion of the interview to be controversial and manipulate the reader.

 

For your own benefit, you might consider to learn to be less easy to manipulate by media shills!

 

Here's the original article http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/the-quiet-redemption-of-jonathan-martin

He is being sought out and interviewed by a reporter for his work talking to school children about bullying. He is not approaching the media seeking an interview on the topic of the Dolphins or Cog. He doesn't even mention Incognito or refer by name to the "player who called him the N word to his face" until he is specifically asked by the reporter about the Dolphins and about Incognito, and his answer is much more nuanced than the excerpted quote:

While Martin thinks about the past and how it could be different, he won’t reach back and mess with it. He said he hasn’t tried to speak to Richie Incognito, one of the former Dolphins who was a main culprit in the bullying scandal.

“That’s another thing that’s convoluted,” Martin said after a pause and a heavy sigh. “Like I said in the Wells report, and like I’ve said before, at a certain level we were friends. We hung out. That’s fact. He’s got his own issues like I had issues with depression related to dealing with all their BS, but I don’t even know if Richie wants to be a bad person. Part of me thinks he just is because he’s allowed to be in the realm he occupies. It’s weird because we still have mutual friends. I have no desire to ever see or talk to him. I’ll get nothing from it. That’s in the past. I don’t know what his thoughts are and I don’t really care, honestly.”

 

Independent of Martin and what you think of him, some of Incognito's documented, factual behavior while with the Dolphins was IMO indefensible. This would include ringleading the harassment of an Assistant Trainer of Asian descent ( a relatively poorly paid and powerless position in a football team) and a female volunteer at a charity golf tournament. Most parents would say "those are bad and not how I want my kids to behave". Neither of these people fall within the realm of locker room banter with teammates by any stretch. It's also documented and admitted by Incognito that "he's got his own issues" with anger and depression, for which, to his very great credit, he has sought legitimate treatment and not the "country club center" variety either.

 

In the context of the article, it seems fairly clear to me that Martin is obliquely putting some blame on the Dolphins ("the realm he occupies") for having enabled Incognito:

Some may say that Martin wasn’t tough enough to play football and that players have to be bullies in order to survive such a violent sport. To that, Martin brought up his experience playing Stanford football. He said during his time there, everyone respected one another off the field.

“I’ve seen it first hand. It doesn’t need to be the way that it was in Miami,” Martin said. “People will put NFL players on a pedestal, but they’re still people. There’s all kinds of different personalities.

 

I like how Incognito plays and what he's done with the Bills and what he seems to have changed and made of himself, but it really isn't necessary to deny the bad behavior in his past or paint them as all the fault of "headcase Martin" in order to be a fan of Ritchie today. Incognito had a track record as a headcase stretching back to college and the team that drafted him (Rams. Reference Martz screaming on the sidelines "what is wrong with that F***er?").

[BringBackFergy]

This thread is a microcosm of the entire Incognito-Martin event: people taking comments out of context, people speaking their minds and others taking moral high ground. Richie has turned a corner and some here can't stop talking about his words and texts (banter which Martin participated in voluntarily for months giving back as much as he took). His comments in this article are fine: basically saying "I don't care about Richie or what he is doing now". Maybe that is the approach he should have used when he was playing football.