Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 It's official.......Shady is nursing a hamstring already. Oh, gawd, Here We Go Again. Karlos really is key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 it'd be perfect. mccoy from 5-6 years ago, rex from 5-6 years ago, kyle williams 5-6 years ago... Freddie in 2011..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I hate to admit it Badol, but even I'm really disappointed Shady comes in and has a hamstring problem. You would think this guy would take hot yoga or something to be as limber as possible. If this is a ruse to get out of practice like Bruce Smith used to do, I'd rather that than McCoy getting hurt again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) I'm gonna do a 180 on this cat if this crap starts before we even get to camp. he has as much reason to be hurt right now as Jairus Bird did a few years ago. Edited June 9, 2016 by jester43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 This board is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 NFL's scariest position groups: Ranking the top 10 10) Buffalo Bills' running backsRex Ryan's "ground and pound" attack features an electric veteran (LeSean McCoy) with explosive shake-and-bake skills and a big-bodied youngster (Karlos Williams) with big-play potential. In addition, the Bills have an emerging runner in Mike Gillislee with outstanding balance, body control and burst. I predict that, in an offense committed to pounding the ball between the tackles, the Bills' talented stable of runners will anchor the NFL's top-ranked rush attack for the second straight season. Only if the QB rushes for 500-600 yards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Only if the QB rushes for 500-600 yards... I have already shown you that attributing Buffalo's rushing prowess to QB yards is untrue. They rank 5th in YPC and 6th in total yards when QB rushing yards are removed across the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 This board is amazing. I train athletes for a living and I can tell you for 100% sure that when people show up hurt, they weren't doing what they were supposed to do. Either that, or they were flat-out making it up like Byrd did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I train athletes for a living and I can tell you for 100% sure that when people show up hurt, they weren't doing what they were supposed to do. Either that, or they were flat-out making it up like Byrd did. For one, he didn't show up hurt--it tightened up and the team decided to hold him out Secondly, I also work with athletes, and I've seen plenty of times that guys simply tweak something and it had zero to do with their level of preparation, so while it may be the case often, it's absolutely nowhere near 100% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) Oh, gawd, Here We Go Again. Karlos really is key I know a lot of people here think that Karlos is the man, but he was horribly inconsistent last season and hasn't proven that he can be relied upon to be the 1st-string RB. Sure, he had a pair of lights-out games rushing in his home state of Florida against the Fins, but otherwise he had a very pedestrian 4.1 ypc and really wasn't very good. He was flat out awful against the Jets and Pats in those four games and against KC and the Giants. Nowhere close to good in those games. He was good in very limited action as a role player vs. Washington and Indy, and otherwise had a decent game against Dallas. So the data points for Karlos being as great as many people here seem to believe come down to those three games against the Fins and Dallas, both of whom had rushing Ds ranked in the 20s. It's early in his career, he can become better and more consistent, but right now he's not ready to carry the torch for us at RB. Besides, Shady has over a month to heal before training camp. If he goes easy 'til then he should be fine. Way too premature to be worried about him. Watkins is the worry. This board is amazing. LOL I have already shown you that attributing Buffalo's rushing prowess to QB yards is untrue. They rank 5th in YPC and 6th in total yards when QB rushing yards are removed across the league It is true to an extent. We would have finished 10th behind the Jets after Taylor's 568 rushing yards are removed, and just ahead of the Bears & Packers, not two teams known for their rushing. We were still up there in YPC, but we also had the second fewest pass attempts in the league and the second most rushing attempts, we were easily the team that ran the highest percentage of the time, which skews that data. Did it help us win? ... over say throwing more with an effective QB? You can decide that. I don't think it did. I think that better pass/run balance would be good. The only team that ran the ball more than we did had the 6th-ranked scoring D in the league with an even greater dose from their QB. Edited June 9, 2016 by TaskersGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 (edited) It is true to an extent. We would have finished 10th behind the Jets after Taylor's 568 rushing yards are removed, and just ahead of the Bears & Packers, not two teams known for their rushing. We were still up there in YPC, but we also had the second fewest pass attempts in the league and the second most rushing attempts, we were easily the team that ran the highest percentage of the time, which skews that data. Did it help us win? ... over say throwing more with an effective QB? You can decide that. I don't think it did. I think that better pass/run balance would be good. The only team that ran the ball more than we did had the 6th-ranked scoring D in the league with an even greater dose from their QB. I'd assert that it's not true to any extent. You cannot remove Taylor's rushing yards and then compare Buffalo's ground game to the rest of the league unless you normalize the data by removing ALL QB rushing yards if you're going to go that route. Fortunately, I've already done this: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/185916-bills-working-on-extensions-for-gilmore-maybe-tyrod/?view=findpost&p=3944423 6th in total rushing yards, and 1st (sorry, not 5th) in YPC. Would you mind explaining how you drew the conclusion that running significantly more would result in a higher YPC? It's not readily apparent. As to whether or not it helped us win, well, the results speak for themselves: the team was 0-5 in games where Tyrod Taylor attempted 30 or more passes; they were 8-1 in games in which he attempted fewer than 30 passes. http://www.nfl.com/player/tyrodtaylor/2495240/gamelogs Edited June 9, 2016 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Someone tell me again why you would remove TT's rushing yards? Much less do that and then compare the Bills' rushing stats to the rest of the league...with their QB rushing stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Someone tell me again why you would remove TT's rushing yards? Much less do that and then compare the Bills' rushing stats to the rest of the league...with their QB rushing stats? Usually, folks will seek to remove Taylor's rushing yards from the discussion if and only if they believe that the Bills' rushing yards (or YPC) was somehow artificially inflated by Taylor's rushing totals. It's a bit of a gloss-over, but it's understandable if someone hasn't looked at the numbers. Now, why someone would then compare those numbers to the rest of the league's rushing totals including QB yards is something I cannot explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 McCoy tweaked his hammy? Wasn't expecting the champagne to pop in early June! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 McCoy tweaked his hammy? Wasn't expecting the champagne to pop in early June! I dont want to make more of this then it is.... but this would be the 2nd year in a row where Shady was having hammy issues? Cant the bills pay some massage therapist out there to massage his hammies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 I dont want to make more of this then it is.... but this would be the 2nd year in a row where Shady was having hammy issues? Cant the bills pay some massage therapist out there to massage his hammies? I'd be shocked if they don't already. I also wouldn't be shocked if he's making it up. And I wouldn't be outraged if he was...in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Only if the QB rushes for 500-600 yards... Several posters have pointed out that if QB rushing yards are subtracted from all the top rushing teams, the Bills are still near the top - in some cases with the actual statistics attached. It would be kind of nice to have this point "heard and understood" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 So after factoring out Taylor and looking at ypc by backs. Gillislee, karlos, etc had longer runs. And their ypc wasn't that bad, either. So what's McCoys value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 Apparently 0 because his hamstring got a little tight early in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 So after factoring out Taylor and looking at ypc by backs. Gillislee, karlos, etc had longer runs. And their ypc wasn't that bad, either. So what's McCoys value? He's the best RB on the roster. That's his value to them. It's that simple. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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