Big Turk Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Tampa Bay traded up in the second round giving away 3rd and 4th round picks to draft.... A KICKER!!! LMAO!!!! At least we got a stud defensive player.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 When you put it like that.... Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 In today's NFL, that PK may see more snaps per game than a LB that can't play in the nickel or dime defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) LOL the trade up seems crazy but now they got a sure shot $$ kicker, that they probably could have got a round later but meh! Edited April 30, 2016 by Marty McFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 In today's NFL, that PK may see more snaps per game than a LB that can't play in the nickel or dime defenses. seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? well, the price would have been scrutinized and Whaley's sanity would have been questioned. Thing is though that kicker Could be one of the best kickers picked since the raiders grabbed the polish cannon. That kid,will win some big games if he pans out. and for many years. It's a physically low stress position. janikowski is entering his 16th or 17th season now. most games played by any Raider. And is still money. i rememeber when he was picked in round one the Raiders were laughed at. it worked. i wish the Bills could have got this kid in the 4th. If not just for freeing up a game day roster spot. Screw this ' kicking specialist' stuff. I never thought anyone would pay that price for him, but he was never going to last into the late rounds. maybe kickbacks being placed at the 25 this year will change the philosophy of having to kick deep in the end zone. the average kickoff runback is less than 25 yards. in the least the Bills need a guy who can nail PAT's. IMO Carp will be their kicker again this year. In the least they need to get him some competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? He's been advocating a 3rd on the FSU Kicker for some time now, and doesn't like the Ragland pick . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef4131 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Love the Ragland pick. Not sure why bills had to give up 2 round 4 picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Love the Ragland pick. Not sure why bills had to give up 2 round 4 picks I agree with this. That seems like a lot to give up to move up a few spots in the 2nd. Love the pick though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 seriously? what would your reaction been if Bills did that? I think he would have bitched about that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) In today's NFL, that PK may see more snaps per game than a LB that can't play in the nickel or dime defenses. A kicker sees probably 10 snaps a game if you include XP and kickoffs. You're not supposed to DRINK the bong water, bud. Love the Ragland pick. Not sure why bills had to give up 2 round 4 picksIf you use the trade value chart, the difference between 41 and 49 is 80 points. #117 is worth 60. Their 5th is worth 28.6, so they could have offered that but then they only would have had the two 6ths today. Offering up a 4th from next year doesn't hurt so much when you have time to get it back. Maybe deal a player who doesn't have a role any more but would fit well elsewhere. Maybe use the 2017 5th they got for Cassel as part of a deal to recoup a 2017 4th. There's time and options. Edited April 30, 2016 by JM57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 If you look at the Bills draft history since 2000 in the fourth round it's pretty underwhelming. Don't think they gave up as much as people think. Ragland was projected to go as high as 12. If the Bills got that level of player the deal will turn out to be a no brainer. We now have a group that looks much more suited to run Ryan's defense. I think this was a great move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Guys, the local sports radio in Tampa calling it the "WTF" pick. I was shocked as Licht is a good GM coming from Arizona where he built a great team out West. The argument that you have a stud K who could be there for 15 years is fine, but front office changes and easy to try and save money after his rookie contract and cut a kicker. I thought it was foolish. I would never take a K before the 4th round. As to Ragland, it bugs me when people from we "gave up a 2nd, and two 4ths". No, we swapped our 2nd round pick. We didn't give up a 2nd, so bottom line is we gave up two 4th round picks. Considering we have a 4th in compensatory, and we'll get another 4th in compensatory picks next year for Bradham makes it palatable to me. If your someone who doesn't like Ragland thinking he's only a two down back, I can accept that argument. I disagree I believe the Bills staff can work with him in pass coverage and keep him nice and lean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) If you look at the Bills draft history since 2000 in the fourth round it's pretty underwhelming. Don't think they gave up as much as people think.Actually, I just looked at the list and the last 8 fourth rounders are/were all pretty solid contributors, which is more than you can say for the last 7 second rounders. Cockerel was cut but he now starts for Pittsburgh, and the Bills took him one pick before Martavis Bryant. There is plenty of talent in the fourth round. This franchise continues to not get it. Edited April 30, 2016 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 Guys, the local sports radio in Tampa calling it the "WTF" pick. I was shocked as Licht is a good GM coming from Arizona where he built a great team out West. The argument that you have a stud K who could be there for 15 years is fine, but front office changes and easy to try and save money after his rookie contract and cut a kicker. I thought it was foolish. I would never take a K before the 4th round. As to Ragland, it bugs me when people from we "gave up a 2nd, and two 4ths". No, we swapped our 2nd round pick. We didn't give up a 2nd, so bottom line is we gave up two 4th round picks. Considering we have a 4th in compensatory, and we'll get another 4th in compensatory picks next year for Bradham makes it palatable to me. If your someone who doesn't like Ragland thinking he's only a two down back, I can accept that argument. I disagree I believe the Bills staff can work with him in pass coverage and keep him nice and lean. Who doesn't like a 258lb ILB who runs a 4.6 and whose play reminds people of Ray Lewis? 4th rnders come and go so I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 How much did you drink before you made this post? A kicker sees probably 10 snaps a game if you include XP and kickoffs. If you use the trade value chart, the difference between 41 and 49 is 80 points. #117 is worth 60. Their 5th is worth 28.6, so they could have offered that but then they only would have had the two 6ths today. Offering up a 4th from next year doesn't hurt so much when you have time to get it back. Maybe deal a player who doesn't have a role any more but would fit well elsewhere. Maybe use the 2017 5th they got for Cassel as part of a deal to recoup a 2017 4th. There's time and options. Good thoughts. I didn't think of it that way. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I, for one, am very excited about Ragland. As someone else stated, we still have a 4th, 5th, 5th and 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 I, for one, am very excited about Ragland. As someone else stated, we still have a 4th, 5th, 5th and 6th. its actually 4th(comp), 5th, 6th and 6th(comp) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 The extra 4th this year from comp pick and extra 5th next year (from cassel trade) likely made this trade easier to do from bills perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted April 30, 2016 Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) dont forget whenever a team trades away a pick for up coming year that pick isnt valued the same as current year..so the 4th the Bills traded from 2017 isnt valued as an actual 4th right now...I hope that made sense lol Edited April 30, 2016 by Tsaikotic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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