thebandit27 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I forgot Rambo - yes he stays. I am a Hogan fan but he is a luxury we can't afford (a decent 3rd or 4th receiver) at this stage. I might try the lowest tender but I think someone would match it and he'd walk anyway. I think more likely they keep Mills and one DL guy than both DL guys. I'd steer clear of the lowest tender for anyone except Bryant. The 2015 number for lowest-tender was $1.542M (middle was $2.356M and highest was $3.354M). I'm guessing that'll be more like $1.65M this year. I would offer the following: Powell - $750k Charles - $750k Rambo - $900k Mills - $1M Hogan - $1M Bryant - lowest tender That would be just under $6M...perfect if they can pull it off. If not, I'd let Hogan walk and spread his $$ around to the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'd steer clear of the lowest tender for anyone except Bryant. The 2015 number for lowest-tender was $1.542M (middle was $2.356M and highest was $3.354M). I'm guessing that'll be more like $1.65M this year. I would offer the following: Powell - $750k Charles - $750k Rambo - $900k Mills - $1M Hogan - $1M Bryant - lowest tender That would be just under $6M...perfect if they can pull it off. If not, I'd let Hogan walk and spread his $$ around to the rest. Yea that seems a reasonable starting point. I think Hogan will get closer to $2m on the market though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yea that seems a reasonable starting point. I think Hogan will get closer to $2m on the market though. He very well may. If I'm handing out FA $$ for a 3rd/4th WR, I can just as easily get a guy like Cotchery or Lance Moore to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 He very well may. If I'm handing out FA $$ for a 3rd/4th WR, I can just as easily get a guy like Cotchery or Lance Moore to do that. Yea I agree. I would like to keep Hogan rather than sign a bit of a clapped out older guy but when you are in a cap bind you can't prioritise 3rd and 4th WRs. I will say again.... roll over $6m instead of wasting it on Harvin it is a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Wait, wait, wait a minute. $9 million for rookies? Our top 3 picks shouldn't be much more than $3 million combined. After that, it's the league minimum. How do you get to 9? That number is wrong. Rhino (and others) are correct. The Bills Rookie Pool will be about $5M (unless some major wheeling and dealing is done). But they don't need $5M to sign them. Each rookie will displace another player (Rule of 51). Each displaced player's salary will be about $500k and the Bills have 6 picks. $5M-(6x$500k)=$2M. The Bills will need to have $2M in effective cap space to sign their rookies. http://overthecap.com/draft/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I forgot Rambo - yes he stays. I am a Hogan fan but he is a luxury we can't afford (a decent 3rd or 4th receiver) at this stage. I might try the lowest tender but I think someone would match it and he'd walk anyway. I think more likely they keep Mills and one DL guy than both DL guys. Not sure Hogan could be called a luxury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Cap hits by last year's draft picks: Cam Erving (19) - $1.71M Mitch Morse (49) - $0.85M Alex Carter (80) - $0.55M Jamil Douglas (114) - $0.55M Karlos Williams (155) - $0.49M B.J. Dubose (193) - $0.45M ^ That's $4.6M...add 10% inflation and you can expect that $5M should easily cover it. And your cap calculation is top 51- if those 6 guys make the roster how much salary will we shed to make spots in the 53 Rhino (and others) are correct. The Bills Rookie Pool will be about $5M (unless some major wheeling and dealing is done). But they don't need $5M to sign them. Each rookie will displace another player (Rule of 51). Each displaced player's salary will be about $500k and the Bills have 6 picks. $5M-(6x$500k)=$2M. The Bills will need to have $2M in effective cap space to sign their rookies. http://overthecap.com/draft/ Should've read it- you nailed it. And that's assuming they don't replace someone a little pricier. That calculation is kind of worst case scenario for our cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 And your cap calculation is top 51- if those 6 guys make the roster how much salary will we shed to make spots in the 53 Should've read it- you nailed it. And that's assuming they don't replace someone a little pricier. That calculation is kind of worst case scenario for our cap. Thanks. Yes. They could release higher priced players, but the lowest paid ones roll out of the Top 51 automatically. Until final cut down day at least. Then all players count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Found this little gem on another site: Spotrac @spotrac · 2m2 minutes agoMost 2016 Cap $ Cleared via Release, Restructure, Retirement#Rams: $22.9M#Bills: $21.3M#Saints: $17.5M#Lions: $12.3M#Giants: $11.6M This does not include possibles: Restructuring GIlmore Pay cut and restructure McKelvin Pay cut and restructure Graham Meatball? Any comment buffalobillsforever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 @mikerodak Charles Clay's new deal has been entered into system. Bills converted full amt ($10M) of roster bonus into signing bonus. No other changes. With Charles Clay's cap number reduced from $13.5M to $6M, Bills now have $9.072M in Top 51 2016 cap space, per @ESPNStatsInfo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 @mikerodak Charles Clay's new deal has been entered into system. Bills converted full amt ($10M) of roster bonus into signing bonus. No other changes. With Charles Clay's cap number reduced from $13.5M to $6M, Bills now have $9.072M in Top 51 2016 cap space, per @ESPNStatsInfo. So updating my previous rundown: Current space - $9.072M Estimated savings from pay cuts - Graham ($1.5M), McKelvin ($2M) Estimated savings from extensions - Gilmore ($3M), Glenn ($3M) That would put the team ~$18.5M under the cap. $6M for RFA contracts, $5M for draft picks, and $4M for the cap hit on Incognito's new deal, and that leaves $3.5M to go shopping for a few key fits in FA. That's if they do nothing with Kyle Williams or Manny Lawson (I'm assuming they won't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Not sure Hogan could be called a luxury I don't know. 7-11 is pretty posh and luxurious. I mean, what sort of gentleman wouldn't take his date there for dinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 So updating my previous rundown: Current space - $9.072M Estimated savings from pay cuts - Graham ($1.5M), McKelvin ($2M) Estimated savings from extensions - Gilmore ($3M), Glenn ($3M) That would put the team ~$18.5M under the cap. $6M for RFA contracts, $5M for draft picks, and $4M for the cap hit on Incognito's new deal, and that leaves $3.5M to go shopping for a few key fits in FA. That's if they do nothing with Kyle Williams or Manny Lawson (I'm assuming they won't). I am thinking that they are really looking at that Kyle Williams cap hit of 8 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 So updating my previous rundown: Current space - $9.072M Estimated savings from pay cuts - Graham ($1.5M), McKelvin ($2M) Estimated savings from extensions - Gilmore ($3M), Glenn ($3M) That would put the team ~$18.5M under the cap. $6M for RFA contracts, $5M for draft picks, and $4M for the cap hit on Incognito's new deal, and that leaves $3.5M to go shopping for a few key fits in FA. That's if they do nothing with Kyle Williams or Manny Lawson (I'm assuming they won't). Nice rundown. I'd even be ok with a little more for Incognito. I think Spotrac is looking at something like $5 million a year, and I'd rather see the Bills front load any guarantees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Anyone ripping the Charles Clay contract due to its potential "dead money" should take solace in the fact that if he just plays as our #1 TE for the next 3 years there is no issue, because his cap hit is acceptable and after that the team can move on if needed. Hopefully he continues to be the #1 TE right up to the end of the deal. He's only 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Now that we've cleared out the dead wood can we change the title of this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I am thinking that they are really looking at that Kyle Williams cap hit of 8 million I don't think this year. There's already a big hole with Mario leaving. I'd rather see them draft a replacement in the mid rounds this year (Whaley seems to think it's a deep draft there) and give him a year. Now that we've cleared out the dead wood can we change the title of this thread? Agreed. We are in far better shape than Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Will Mario's contract continue to hurt the team next offseason, or are they taking the hit now and next year they are free and clear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Found this little gem on another site: Spotrac @spotrac · 2m2 minutes ago Most 2016 Cap $ Cleared via Release, Restructure, Retirement #Rams: $22.9M #Bills: $21.3M #Saints: $17.5M #Lions: $12.3M #Giants: $11.6M This does not include possibles: Restructuring GIlmore Pay cut and restructure McKelvin Pay cut and restructure Graham Meatball? Any comment buffalobillsforever? Joe B. says we've already cleared up $23.3 million in cap space: "With Williams, Dixon, Urbik, and the restructure of Charles Clay, the Bills will have cleared $23.325 million in cap space for the 2016 season." http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/bills-release-mario-williams-save-129m-in-16 In either case, we've opened up a lot of money without hurting the team very much (if we assume Mario would have played this year like he did last year). Edited March 2, 2016 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Will Mario's contract continue to hurt the team next offseason, or are they taking the hit now and next year they are free and clear? I think all guarantees were hit this season and I think we are free and clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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