John from Riverside Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I don't think anyone other than some Bills fans see it as an actual "fight", so I kinda doubt that. Yes they really needed to let these fine civil servants go on their merry way as they were certainly off to church at 2 am in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Yes they really needed to let these fine civil servants go on their merry way as they were certainly off to church at 2 am in the morning. You clearly missed his point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 I don't think anyone other than some Bills fans see it as an actual "fight", so I kinda doubt that. Believe me, some Philly fans see it that way too. But seriously, if you believe that at 2:45 am, in a club, with three people on 4 bottles of champagne were absolutely minding their own business when a guy came up, robbed them of a champagne bottle, at which time they calmly and measuredly asked for its return and in no way making the other party believe violence was imminent, and then we're suddenly beset upon... Well, I'm here to offer you a real estate chance of a lifetime. A Nigerian prince has just willed me the Walt Whitman bridge, but due to tax reasons I am unable to keep ownership. I would happily sell it under the table for a discreet cash payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) I don't think anyone other than some Bills fans see it as an actual "fight", so I kinda doubt that. I think anyone who knows the definition of the word "fight," sees it as an actual fight. Edited February 15, 2016 by Gugny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDS73 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 What are you talking about? Bunch of drunk guys fighting at 2am sounds like a fight. Someone's gotta take the L Did anyone find out if they were talking #%^* ? "Fight" is a term that would suggest the exchanging of punches between two or more people engaged in physical combat. The video evidence we've seen doesn't suggest anything like that. So far, all we've seen is one guy at the bottom of pile getting beaten and kicked while others are trying to break it up and telling them to chill. And were any of them, from either side, really "drunk"? A lot of you are simply filling in the blanks with whatever helps you feel better about justifying McCoy's behavior. Geez. All that for a guy who has done nothing but pout about being here since stepping off the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 "Fight" is a term that would suggest the exchanging of punches between two or more people engaged in physical combat. The video evidence we've seen doesn't suggest anything like that. So far, all we've seen is one guy at the bottom of pile getting beaten and kicked while others are trying to break it up and telling them to chill. And were any of them, from either side, really "drunk"? A lot of you are simply filling in the blanks with whatever helps you feel better about justifying McCoy's behavior. Geez. All that for a guy who has done nothing but pout about being here since stepping off the plane. Well, the off duty officers claim that they were working off four bottles of champagne. At 2:45, when last call is around 2. So yeah, solid bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 "Fight" is a term that would suggest the exchanging of punches between two or more people engaged in physical combat. The video evidence we've seen doesn't suggest anything like that. So far, all we've seen is one guy at the bottom of pile getting beaten and kicked while others are trying to break it up and telling them to chill. And were any of them, from either side, really "drunk"? A lot of you are simply filling in the blanks with whatever helps you feel better about justifying McCoy's behavior. Geez. All that for a guy who has done nothing but pout about being here since stepping off the plane. And your logical side is telling you that the ass-whooping was unprovoked and the cops never threw a punch. Is that what you're suggesting? Or are you suggesting that the video is all you're going to go by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) "Fight" is a term that would suggest the exchanging of punches between two or more people engaged in physical combat. The video evidence we've seen doesn't suggest anything like that. So far, all we've seen is one guy at the bottom of pile getting beaten and kicked while others are trying to break it up and telling them to chill. And were any of them, from either side, really "drunk"? A lot of you are simply filling in the blanks with whatever helps you feel better about justifying McCoy's behavior. Geez. All that for a guy who has done nothing but pout about being here since stepping off the plane. whose not drunk at a club at 2am ? Again, What are you talking about ? Were they doing blow and drinking green tea instead ? Edited February 15, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 "Fight" is a term that would suggest the exchanging of punches between two or more people engaged in physical combat. The video evidence we've seen doesn't suggest anything like that. So far, all we've seen is one guy at the bottom of pile getting beaten and kicked while others are trying to break it up and telling them to chill. And were any of them, from either side, really "drunk"? A lot of you are simply filling in the blanks with whatever helps you feel better about justifying McCoy's behavior. Geez. All that for a guy who has done nothing but pout about being here since stepping off the plane. You do realize that the video did not start at the beginning of the fight? Anything could have happened, including but not limited to, the police officers throwing haymakers to start the fight. Who knows what really happened. All you know is what you think you see on a phone camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 What are you talking about? Bunch of drunk guys fighting at 2am sounds like a fight. Someone's gotta take the L Did anyone find out if they were talking #%^* ? If you were pushed to the ground after words with 4 guys, maybe a little shoving, and they were just pummeling you with fists and feet---would you say "look Ma, I'm fightin!"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 If you were pushed to the ground after words with 4 guys, maybe a little shoving, and they were just pummeling you with fists and feet---would you say "look Ma, I'm fightin!"? Because the guy on the ground didn't fight at all, right? He just immediately got onto the ground as soon as the champagne bottle broke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Because the guy on the ground didn't fight at all, right? He just immediately got onto the ground as soon as the champagne bottle broke? This is a great way to illustrate a great point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) If you were pushed to the ground after words with 4 guys, maybe a little shoving, and they were just pummeling you with fists and feet---would you say "look Ma, I'm fightin!"? Everyone who lost to Mike Tyson in the first round didn't fight either. Do you believe what you're saying or just trying to win an argument? A fight can last two seconds or two hours. 4 on one ? Where did the other cops go ? Edited February 15, 2016 by Ryan L Billz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 This is a great way to illustrate a great point. Again, this doesn't excuse Shady's behavior and I still expect him to get charged with something (a non-felony) and be suspended. But to think the cop had nothing to do with it because he got the worst of it is spurious at best. Everyone who lost to Mike Tyson in the first round didn't fight either. Do you believe what you're saying or just trying to win an argument? A fight can last two seconds or two hours. 4 on one ? Where did the other cops go ? One of them tried to break up the fight and reportedly got the orbital fracture but what the 3rd cop was doing is anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Again, this doesn't excuse Shady's behavior and I still expect him to get charged with something (a non-felony) and be suspended. But to think the cop had nothing to do with it because he got the worst of it is spurious at best. One of them tried to break up the fight and reportedly got the orbital fracture but what the 3rd cop was doing is anyone's guess. Do we have any evidence the cops did anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Do we have any evidence the cops did anything? All we have so far is the police complaint and statements by police spokesman or unnamed "police sources", the Philly police union (Fraternal Order of Police, FOP) president, and the Philly Mayor. Only one of these things constitutes evidence. Do you expect any of these to place any responsibility on the police officer or describes any aggressive words or actions he took, at this point? Hint: it's all one side of the story to date. We also have cell phone video. Cell phone videos are notorious for catching the end of a situation. Edited February 15, 2016 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direhard Fan Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Jury of his peers. He walks. Simple- just like his peers. Sorry to say but that's the way it works. A good lawyer will do that for you. Just ask OJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just ask OJ. OJ proved the system works. A rich black man can get off just like a rich white man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) All we have so far is the police complaint and statements by police spokesman or unnamed "police sources", the Philly police union (Fraternal Order of Police, FOP) president, and the Philly Mayor. Only one of these things constitutes evidence. Do you expect any of these to place any responsibility on the police officer or describes any aggressive words or actions he took, at this point? Hint: it's all one side of the story to date. We also have cell phone video. Cell phone videos are notorious for catching the end of a situation. That is true to this point in time. The suspects, still not charged with any offense to this point, have kept quiet. That is smart. I've read police reports that state the officers followed every process and procedure to the letter and the suspect was clearly guilty. But when the statements were examined in light of the available physical evidence, available video of traffic stops or other sources, phone records, medical reports, and testimony from witnesses, the officers, and the suspects, etc., there were a large number of contradictions, omissions, and misstatements in the police report. Sometimes enough to get the charges dropped completely and much more often enough to get them significantly reduced. That's what I expect here. A reduction in charges for the entering of a guilty plea to a lessor offense rather than a very public jury trial. While its nothing official, reality is a prosecutor can be more motivated to acquire a conviction or a guilty plea and less concerned about the severity of the sentence and punishment. They might deny this but they'd rather get a 'plus 1' for a conviction or reduced guilty plea than taking a chance on a verdict of innocent from a jury trial. Most defense attorney's will also advise their client to settle for a reduced sentence when weighed against the risk of a jury trial unless they are certain they can select a jury that will be sympathetic to the defendant and that's not going to be easy in most cases. Edited February 15, 2016 by All_Pro_Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Again, this doesn't excuse Shady's behavior and I still expect him to get charged with something (a non-felony) and be suspended. But to think the cop had nothing to do with it because he got the worst of it is spurious at best. One of them tried to break up the fight and reportedly got the orbital fracture but what the 3rd cop was doing is anyone's guess. My opinion. McCoy is going to be charged with felony aggravated assault. That is not to say that there won't be a plea deal for misdemeanor simple assault. But I'm confident from the accounts that I have read that an aggravated charge against McCoy and his crew is soon to follow. There are two posts on this topic that are very illuminating. Go Kiko go #1397 and USABuffalofan #1504 The key issue for McCoy is how hurt are the off duty officers? The fight issue is indisputable; the injury issue and the effects need to be determined. You can bet that McCoy is praying for a rapid recovery for the pummeled cops. Edited February 15, 2016 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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